Recycled Organic Living Soil (ROLS) and No Till Thread

st0wandgrow

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Nice buds Chronikool ! looking dope!

I have a problem though, i have some type of tiny flies flying around my grow when i water the soil, i think i might be keeping it too wet though, what type of mulch is good to keep these away while protecting the soil from drying out cause its quite obviously the reason its drying.. no mulch, i have watered now with a lacto b. serum 25 ml to 500ml water hopefully that while help for now but i guess there are plenty of different organic ways to get them on their way out of my grow, any help will be lovely! Peace & Much Respect
Fungus Gnats?

If so, BTI bits will take care of them. They are a beneficial bacteria that will eat the gnat larvae. You can set out a couple sticky traps to catch the adults that are flying around. They are more of a nuisance than anything, but the larvae can damage your roots.

http://www.arbico-organics.com/product/2382/pest-solver-guide-mosquitoes?kpid=1211108&gclid=COLGyamJnsICFaI7MgodPmAAlw

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boblawblah421

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I have a question for the No Till guys.

I have a tiny flowering tent 2x3 ft footprint and I have two batches of ~20 gallons soil mix each. I am at about 4 weeks left in this flower cycle in 6x 3 gallon bags and 3x 1 gallon bags and I have a batch now that has been cooking for somewhere around 6 weeks now so far and I was going to just break down root balls and re-amend soil and wet with lacto b serum, ACT or both and let sit to cook until next round and alternating rounds with the two batches of soil mix.

But the deeper I get into organic and natural gardening, the more I want to try a no till bed. I think it is the next logical step for me.

I think I might combine the freshly cooked mix with the batch from current run into a single bed that I would custom build for my tent. 2' deep x 3' wide to fit the entire footprint of the tent and my soil quantity of ~40 gallons would give me a depth of 10-11" to start and room to add plenty of ewc, amendments, mulch, etc all the goodies which over time should increase the depth of the bed to an extent. I would make the bed myself to fit the max dimensions of my tent with landscaping fabric and possibly even a wood or pvc framing system.

Do you guys think this seems like a reasonable idea to make a bed for my tent and just top dress and cut in little holes for my plants on the next run and just plug and chug? Or do you think roughly 40 gallons of soil is a bit overkill for a 2x3 tent that is only 5 ft tall (lol). I think its just enough but want to make sure Im not getting too crazy here.
It's been a hot minute since I've been on here... Nice to see new traffic...

Yes... Definitely build a raised bed... 20-50% yield increase... More root space=More bud01.jpg 03.jpg 02.jpg
 

a senile fungus

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Yeah once I get a more permanent space I want to put in a soil trough and go no till.

I'm sure the plants would like more cf for their roots!
 

Shwagbag

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Flies could be fungus gnats or root aphids. Top dressing with an inch or two of vermicompost always worked well for me to combat gnats, with sticky yellow traps. It should get crusty between waterings. Root aphids are the devil. Look closely in the soil to determine the pest.

Best of luck SB.
 

st0wandgrow

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I saw this on another thread. Basically Monsanto shady schemes in the mj industry.

http://bigbudsmag.com/marijuana-cannabis-maximum-yield-monsanto-sunlight-supply/

Fucking bastards! This is the real problem:


"In the Obama administration and previous administrations, many officials in charge of food safety, crop safety, environmental protection, and agricultural policy are former Monsanto employees.

That’s why American government officials dismiss the real and potential harms of GMOs, which are created via a Frankenstein process that toys with the very building blocks of Nature.

And the revolving door in which Monsanto execs work for government and vice versa is why the U.S. government has long fronted for Monsanto in trade disputes and in commerce lobbying to ensure Monsanto gets maximum market penetration and profits for its products worldwide."
 

boblawblah421

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Flies could be fungus gnats or root aphids. Top dressing with an inch or two of vermicompost always worked well for me to combat gnats, with sticky yellow traps. It should get crusty between waterings. Root aphids are the devil. Look closely in the soil to determine the pest.

Best of luck SB.
Gotta add my 2 cents...

I used to think the same thing... Make sure to let media get dry between waterings to combat gnats...

The day I set up my first Blumats in my first ROLS raised bed was the day the fungus gnats went away. This was also the day I started getting real results.

Soil stays moist 24 hours a day, producing 70-80% humidity during the day, and 90-100% at night, and fuck tons of trichomes the size of yo momma's nipples.
 

PSUAGRO.

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Fucking bastards! This is the real problem:


"In the Obama administration and previous administrations, many officials in charge of food safety, crop safety, environmental protection, and agricultural policy are former Monsanto employees.

That’s why American government officials dismiss the real and potential harms of GMOs, which are created via a Frankenstein process that toys with the very building blocks of Nature.

And the revolving door in which Monsanto execs work for government and vice versa is why the U.S. government has long fronted for Monsanto in trade disputes and in commerce lobbying to ensure Monsanto gets maximum market penetration and profits for its products worldwide."
Too late.................we've been asleep at the wheel, It's gonna be a hard turn-around IMO. Just look @ the heads of the USDA.

grow your own crops or move to europe...........:peace:
 

SouthernSoil*

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Fungus Gnats?

If so, BTI bits will take care of them. They are a beneficial bacteria that will eat the gnat larvae. You can set out a couple sticky traps to catch the adults that are flying around. They are more of a nuisance than anything, but the larvae can damage your roots.

http://www.arbico-organics.com/product/2382/pest-solver-guide-mosquitoes?kpid=1211108&gclid=COLGyamJnsICFaI7MgodPmAAlw

Thank you bro, ill take a look for something similar down here,
Bacillus thuringiensis v. israelensis it is : )

I could also get some sticky traps, i heard of some people putting water in a clear glass with some vinegar and so on, will take a look at that aswell, Peace bro

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SouthernSoil*

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Flies could be fungus gnats or root aphids. Top dressing with an inch or two of vermicompost always worked well for me to combat gnats, with sticky yellow traps. It should get crusty between waterings. Root aphids are the devil. Look closely in the soil to determine the pest.

Best of luck SB.
Thank you for the reply man, i have been watering about once everyday before lights go out, i could try vermicompost not a problem, do you mean i should let my soil get crusty on top even without the ewc top dress ? I did see some yellow kind of bugs walking up and down the one stem though not many : / I dont really understand though, all my intakes are filtered & my windows both have mosquito netting, i should also get a better handheld microscope. Peace man
 

SouthernSoil*

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Forgot to mention i went out this weekend for a shroomy trip & to my surprise i had a feeling my
power got shut down here so i rushed back, unfortunately my fan controller doesnt switch back on when the power comes back on so i had my grow sitting at about 93 F sweating for about two hours, i switched the main light off then and powered the 4 LED modules which just have 480 Lumens at 6000-7000k for the rest of the 14 hours of vegging, seems like the light really induced quite a bit of flowering with its blue effect, the diesel has preflowers everywhere but still waiting on the grapey and mango kush bagseed to show its assets.

Got to hate Monsanto though ! We all need to start making abundance of food & seeds ! We cant lose all the beautiful genetics on this planet due to some piece of shit company !
 

DonPetro

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Forgot to mention i went out this weekend for a shroomy trip & to my surprise i had a feeling my
power got shut down here so i rushed back, unfortunately my fan controller doesnt switch back on when the power comes back on so i had my grow sitting at about 93 F sweating for about two hours, i switched the main light off then and powered the 4 LED modules which just have 480 Lumens at 6000-7000k for the rest of the 14 hours of vegging, seems like the light really induced quite a bit of flowering with its blue effect, the diesel has preflowers everywhere but still waiting on the grapey and mango kush bagseed to show its assets.

Got to hate Monsanto though ! We all need to start making abundance of food & seeds ! We cant lose all the beautiful genetics on this planet due to some piece of shit company !
Interesting that the blue would induce flowering. However im not sure i would bank on that being the cause. I have seen strains show pre-flowers in veg but i believe it has more to do with genetics.
 

SouthernSoil*

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I read somewhere on forums about people using blue lights to show preflowers but not sure i did it right, hopefully the plants dont hermie out on me as this is the 2nd time and might not be the last : /
 

Mad Hamish

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Thank you for the reply man, i have been watering about once everyday before lights go out, i could try vermicompost not a problem, do you mean i should let my soil get crusty on top even without the ewc top dress ? I did see some yellow kind of bugs walking up and down the one stem though not many : / I dont really understand though, all my intakes are filtered & my windows both have mosquito netting, i should also get a better handheld microscope. Peace man
Hey Brother, you will always have fungus gnats around bro, those and spider mite are the South African gardeners two main enemies so tweak your pest management for those. The gnats come in the EWC and compost if you buy you get gnats, they are literally everywhere out here man. What you want is Margaret Roberts Organic Mosquito Insecticide, good old BTi. That, and some of those sticky fly traps (not the ones that kill the ones that just get them stuck, the former are bad news), the fly traps for the flyers the BTi for the larvae in the soil. We are coming into mite season so go ot and grab some Ludwigs Insect Spray Plus, it is made from garlic, canola oil and pyrethrum. Dude I have imported all the stuff guys talk about but nothing comes close to Ludwigs. Mix it according to instructions for tomatoes and bust it out when you see bugs. For maintenance get some Margaret Roberts Organic pesticide, just garlic and canola oil that, once a week to kill all eggs and small bugs, works a charm. And you are watering a little often perhaps yes. Make sure your mulch is at least 5cm thick, if you can stick your finger under and it feels moist don't water, if it feels a bit dry then yes water away. Mulch is essential to keep moisture even and develop a feel for watering IMO, and nasty dry pockets are the enemy... And your girls can handle that bit of heat, don't make sudden brash move like limit your light for 14 hours, in veg rather let them ride out one factor gone haywire than two. Besides, summer is hardly here bro lmfao... them girls are going to have to get used to a lot more, come Jan 15 TS gonna be a sauna in there even with lights off... TI fukin A muahahahaha
 

SouthernSoil*

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Hey Brother, you will always have fungus gnats around bro, those and spider mite are the South African gardeners two main enemies so tweak your pest management for those. The gnats come in the EWC and compost if you buy you get gnats, they are literally everywhere out here man. What you want is Margaret Roberts Organic Mosquito Insecticide, good old BTi. That, and some of those sticky fly traps (not the ones that kill the ones that just get them stuck, the former are bad news), the fly traps for the flyers the BTi for the larvae in the soil. We are coming into mite season so go ot and grab some Ludwigs Insect Spray Plus, it is made from garlic, canola oil and pyrethrum. Dude I have imported all the stuff guys talk about but nothing comes close to Ludwigs. Mix it according to instructions for tomatoes and bust it out when you see bugs. For maintenance get some Margaret Roberts Organic pesticide, just garlic and canola oil that, once a week to kill all eggs and small bugs, works a charm. And you are watering a little often perhaps yes. Make sure your mulch is at least 5cm thick, if you can stick your finger under and it feels moist don't water, if it feels a bit dry then yes water away. Mulch is essential to keep moisture even and develop a feel for watering IMO, and nasty dry pockets are the enemy... And your girls can handle that bit of heat, don't make sudden brash move like limit your light for 14 hours, in veg rather let them ride out one factor gone haywire than two. Besides, summer is hardly here bro lmfao... them girls are going to have to get used to a lot more, come Jan 15 TS gonna be a sauna in there even with lights off... TI fukin A muahahahaha
Respect bro, thank you, really appreciate the advice.

I see where you coming from that they pretty much everywhere, I have seen Margaret Roberts & Ludwigs products in stores so ill definitely go grab the products you mentioned,it should be okay if i had to inhale any of these though bro?

I wanted to mention i diluted some lacto b with water and sprayed it on the soil & plants this morning, i didnt see flies around like i did on yesterday though, seems to have helped for now unless they chilling on the soil though, could i ask bro what do you use for mulch though ? I felt stupid for leaving the backup lights on for 14 hours, there was one benefit i now know that i have 3 females, just waiting on the Mango Kush though, possibly a female i really hope, i thought id leave them in the heat bro but the tent was sitting at 34 C , i was scared something would short circuit with all that moisture build up. Lol summer is going to be insane though.. hope ill manage with the 600w lol but i rate i should start flowering in a week bro & definitely getting rid of the fan controller but not sure what to get. Attached a picture quickly aswell, Peace bro thank you very much once again

 
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Mad Hamish

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Respect bro, thank you, really appreciate the advice.

I see where you coming from that they pretty much everywhere, I have seen Margaret Roberts & Ludwigs products in stores so ill definitely go grab the products you mentioned,it should be okay if i had to inhale any of these though bro?

I wanted to mention i diluted some lacto b with water and sprayed it on the soil & plants this morning, i didnt see flies around like i did on yesterday though, seems to have helped for now unless they chilling on the soil though, could i ask bro what do you use for mulch though ? I felt stupid for leaving the backup lights on for 14 hours, there was one benefit i now know that i have 3 females, just waiting on the Mango Kush though, possibly a female i really hope, i thought id leave them in the heat bro but the tent was sitting at 34 C , i was scared something would short circuit with all that moisture build up. Lol summer is going to be insane though.. hope ill manage with the 600w lol but i rate i should start flowering in a week bro & definitely getting rid of the fan controller but not sure what to get. Attached a picture quickly aswell, Peace bro thank you very much once again

We get some lekka mulches brother. Go see if your nursery has rooibos mulch, it needs a tiny soak before you use it as it comes bone dry and that doesn't help much. My favorite mulch is my male plants lmfao... but seriously can a leaves make an epic mulch that gets eaten by the soil slowly but surely. Some compost will work fine too, this is where I enjoy the rougher grades. If you can get some leaf mould that is tits. I have used washed coco when I had nothing else, works a treat if it is the roug grade, total disaster if you use the pyth blocks. 34 is pretty damn hot yes but like i said unless you get climate control your girls are looking at touching the mid fourties before flower is out. This next bit is gonna take balls of steel my friendbut once your rig is tweaked it is tweaked. Also a good idea getting your AC installed before you have thirty ladies to hide when the tech comes... No hassles on the sprays, a respirator is always a good idea though. Stuff will make your tent smell like an Italian restaurant for a day lmfao, but that truly is the worst part.
 

SouthernSoil*

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We get some lekka mulches brother. Go see if your nursery has rooibos mulch, it needs a tiny soak before you use it as it comes bone dry and that doesn't help much. My favorite mulch is my male plants lmfao... but seriously can a leaves make an epic mulch that gets eaten by the soil slowly but surely. Some compost will work fine too, this is where I enjoy the rougher grades. If you can get some leaf mould that is tits. I have used washed coco when I had nothing else, works a treat if it is the roug grade, total disaster if you use the pyth blocks. 34 is pretty damn hot yes but like i said unless you get climate control your girls are looking at touching the mid fourties before flower is out. This next bit is gonna take balls of steel my friendbut once your rig is tweaked it is tweaked. Also a good idea getting your AC installed before you have thirty ladies to hide when the tech comes... No hassles on the sprays, a respirator is always a good idea though. Stuff will make your tent smell like an Italian restaurant for a day lmfao, but that truly is the worst part.
Ill check around for some rooibos mulch brother, i definitely have seen coco in the rough type which is basically loose you mean right ? Compost on the other hand, im not sure what type is rough dont really have alot of choice here but i did get some 1/4" mesh to sift the compost.

Lol if it reaches the mid forties then shit is going to melt ! i dont think it should go above 35-40 but you right though i will need some sort of climate control cause this room gets hot aswell, only problem is an AC is going to cost alot, unless there are any types of portable ac's that actually work okay & dont cost too much ?

Haha im good with it smelling like a Italian restaurant, as long as the plants are happy : ) Peace bro, thank you once again for the detailed help !
 
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