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ginjawarrior

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How does support of Nuclear energy make your carbon footprint smaller? Its the 3rd time I have had to ask you this question, but you keep answering me with why nuclear energy is better, not how your enthusiasm for something creates a direct benefit to the pollution your lifestyle causes.

I support Penguins, but it hasn't made any effect on them.
My carbon footprint is as low as reasonable in modern world, I'm not about to move into mud hut and I don't expect anyone else to. In fact there's billions of people around the world that have every right to energy luxuries we have

Nuclear is only sensible answer
 

MuyLocoNC

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So, the idea on the table to solve a problem that doesn't even exist, is a large scale increase in nuclear plants across the country?

I assume major urban areas would be strong candidates for the placement of these fine facilities.

Wouldn't they make nifty targets for terrorist attacks?
 

Padawanbater2

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So, the idea on the table to solve a problem that doesn't even exist, is a large scale increase in nuclear plants across the country?

I assume major urban areas would be strong candidates for the placement of these fine facilities.

Wouldn't they make nifty targets for terrorist attacks?
Nuclear reactors are so unsafe they use them on super carriers and submarines..
 

ginjawarrior

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So, the idea on the table to solve a problem that doesn't even exist
What problem would that be?

Ocean acidification?

Volatile fuel prices?

Finite supplies of carbon fuels?

Political unrest in countries supplying fuel?

Or just AGW?
is a large scale increase in nuclear plants across the country?
yes but instead of country its "world". Nuclear has to do heavy lifting on this
I assume major urban areas would be strong candidates for the placement of these fine facilities.
of course. I'm not suggesting power stations in middle of every city but you want power to be close to where needed.
Wouldn't they make nifty targets for terrorist attacks?
Any more than current power stations or hydroelectric dams are? Look at Fukushima it took one of biggest earthquakes in modern history and a tsunami to take it out (and that's only because of poorly placed generators) if terrorists are wielding that kind of force then they don't need to hit power station to do serious damage
 

MuyLocoNC

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What problem would that be?

Ocean acidification?

Volatile fuel prices?

Finite supplies of carbon fuels?

Political unrest in countries supplying fuel?

Or just AGW?
yes but instead of country its "world". Nuclear has to do heavy lifting on this
of course. I'm not suggesting power stations in middle of every city but you want power to be close to where needed.

Any more than current power stations or hydroelectric dams are? Look at Fukushima it took one of biggest earthquakes in modern history and a tsunami to take it out (and that's only because of poorly placed generators) if terrorists are wielding that kind of force then they don't need to hit power station to do serious damage
Im not opposed to nuclear plants, I spent part of my youth in the shadow of Trojan in Oregon. As to the terrorists targeting them, I was speaking to the possibility of cataclysmic disasters from the radioactivity that could be unleashed in the wake of such an attack. Power stations and dams don't really have that level of danger.
 

ginjawarrior

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Im not opposed to nuclear plants, I spent part of my youth in the shadow of Trojan in Oregon. As to the terrorists targeting them, I was speaking to the possibility of cataclysmic disasters from the radioactivity that could be unleashed in the wake of such an attack. Power stations and dams don't really have that level of danger.
I should have put current nuclear power stations.

A large dam can hold an enormous amount of energy behind it and could easily wipe out anything downstream if destroyed

The cataclysmic destruction of a nuclear power plant isnt as likely IMO. For a start they will never explode like a nuclear bomb if[ and that's a big if they fail catastrophicaly they will fizzle and Make a very localised area inhabitable

That's old style reactors which are a throwback to cold war days and a need to produce fuel for bombs

New generation reactors can easily be built where if anything happened everyone could walk away without the slightest problem
 
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MuyLocoNC

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If they're really that safe and wouldn't turn cities into wastelands for thousands of years if blown the fuck up, I'm on board. Shit, I'm all for nuclear powered cars. What will the Eco-Loons wail about then?

 

whitebb2727

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The earth isn't 2/3 ocean, the SURFACE of the earth is 2/3 ocean.

Also I am the only person on this board who is actively doing something about my carbon footprint, I am on board with the global damage we do as humans to our environment way more than 99% of anyone here, I make my living off the land.





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I'm not sure on all the facts out there. I find most bs no matter what side they come from.
I do know that I am an avid hunter, fisher, and outdoors man.
I do believe we need to take steps to preserve the things we have.
I hike to places hours from the nearest dirt road and find trash.



May I pick your brain?
What brand of panel is that?
Did you do the labor?
What is the cost of your setup? How many kw is it? How many hours of usable sun do you get?
Do you use batteries for storage? Are you on grid to? Do you send excess to the grid?

I have an electrical background but I am lost as where to start.




If you need to pm me. I have a serious interest in solar power.
I also have an unused gas well that might run a lp generator.
 

UncleBuck

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What brand of panel is that?
Did you do the labor?
What is the cost of your setup? How many kw is it? How many hours of usable sun do you get?
Do you use batteries for storage? Are you on grid to? Do you send excess to the grid?
why not just call the company whose website he stole the pic from?

http://www.wholesalesolar.com/customer-projects/

you don't think nodrama actually tells the truth about anything, do you?

he's the forum's most prolific liar.
 

NoDrama

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May I pick your brain?
What brand of panel is that?
Did you do the labor?
What is the cost of your setup? How many kw is it? How many hours of usable sun do you get?
Do you use batteries for storage? Are you on grid to? Do you send excess to the grid?
I built all of those panels myself from loose mono cells.
The panels are the cheap part of a Solar system. The expensive part are the inverters, charge controllers and batteries.



The easiest way to start for a do it your-selfer like me was to build a simple 100W panel. Buy a 15A charge controller, 2 x 12Volt deep discharge marine batteries, and a 12/120V inverter of about 1000 Watts. What I did was pull a light circuit for my basement off of the breaker box and just hooked it to the inverter and played with that setup for a while. Once you start playing with the system you realize its like a daisy chain, just keep adding panels to the chain until you max out one of your components, upgrade that component and just keep adding. Before I knew it I had half of my home connected to the system and was actually seeing results on my electric bill. Things just gradually grew from there.

Got on the grid, smart meter, get sent a check from the power company every month because I produce more than I use. Use to have panels on my south facing roof, but have a Solar water heater there now. Solar panels require you to clean them every few weeks to get the most out of them. Water and a squeegee are all you need, but being on the roof is a risk that I don't take at age 56, so its down on the ground with servos that move the panels to face the sun all year no mater where the sun is in the sky.

If you can solder and know the difference between DC/AC positive negative and ground, then you won't have any problems.

Installing it all myself and making the panels myself probably saved my 70% of the cost. The biggest cost of any system is the installation. I had a City electrician friend of mine hook me up to the Utility, that had to be permitted and checked off so it cost over $2,000 for everything including parts. I already made that back in checks from the utility, but won't actually recoup my entire PV array cost until 2021, by then I will have another 20 years of usage out of the original panels to go.

I have something that 99.8% of the US population does not have.
Large tracts of land in excess of 1,000 acres.
I figured If I built all my panels myself, and got more equipment and did all the work myself. I could build a 1GigaWatt PV Array and the utility could send me a check for a Million + every week.

I have a lake cabin we don't use very much, and I put a 10K watt array on its roof, but with no battery backup in it and had it hooked to the grid too. Since we only use the place maybe 2 weeks out of each year, its been collecting a $120 check each month for almost 2 years now, adds up over time and makes a simple home which requires maintenance almost pay for itself.

If you gotta pay some guy to do all the work and sell you the panels, instead of a 10 year payoff, you'r looking at 23-26 years.

Gotta replace all the batteries every 5 years. For me the batteries alone are $3300. Battery tech REALLY needs to come a long way to solve some of the problems a totally independent system has.
 
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whitebb2727

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I built all of those panels myself from loose mono cells.
The panels are the cheap part of a Solar system. The expensive part are the inverters, charge controllers and batteries.



The easiest way to start for a do it your-selfer like me was to build a simple 100W panel. Buy a 15A charge controller, 2 x 12Volt deep discharge marine batteries, and a 12/120V inverter of about 1000 Watts. What I did was pull a light circuit for my basement off of the breaker box and just hooked it to the inverter and played with that setup for a while. Once you start playing with the system you realize its like a daisy chain, just keep adding panels to the chain until you max out one of your components, upgrade that component and just keep adding. Before I knew it I had half of my home connected to the system and was actually seeing results on my electric bill. Things just gradually grew from there.
If you can solder and know the difference between DC/AC positive negative and ground, then you won't have any problems.
Normally I'm a diy guy.

In the case of going solar I don't mind doing all the installation myself and wouldn't mind doing what your doing.
At the moment I have someone willing to split on cost and I would like to setup a larger system all at once and preferably have a good warranty on parts.
 

NoDrama

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Licensed installer or licensed electrician.

I kinda figured I would not get the warranty on self install.
Installer, each state does it's own licensing, so you will have to look. All the panel, battery, controller connections are all low voltage, don't need an electrician.
 

whitebb2727

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Installer, each state does it's own licensing, so you will have to look. All the panel, battery, controller connections are all low voltage, don't need an electrician.
In the state I live you allowed to work on triple phase without a license if in a factory and you can work on your own home.
I'll look in to it.

I may do what your doing.

Thank you for your time.

Do you have the option to feed back to the grid?
 

Glaucoma

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My utility company now charges a monthly fee to be hooked to the grid. I had mine installed before the deadline for this, so I have 10 years before I have to pay it.

They claim it's cause I'm using the grid but not fully paying for the grid. In all reality though, I'm probably only using the last 50 feet of the grid to move my solar power over to my closest (as the electron flies) neighbor when I'm producing more than I'm using.

Bastards.
 

NoDrama

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In all reality though, I'm probably only using the last 50 feet of the grid to move my solar power over to my closest (as the electron flies) neighbor when I'm producing more than I'm using.
What else could you do with excess power production?
The possibilities are endless.
The private market at work, sucks that the utility would do that, i can see mine doing that too, but not many people have solar systems in my neck of the woods so it might take a while.
 
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