Jesus wasn't white

[londonfog]

So your bigotry stops with just the southern whites? You gave a different vibe in this discussion before. What changed?

"the south" is a mentality. Not all white people have that southern mentality.

 

[ginwilly]

"the south" is a mentality. Not all white people have that southern mentality.

I'm glad to see you backing up a bit. I may have judged you harshly.

If I did, I apologize, but I'll admit to be offended when you claim white people would refuse to do business with you based on skin tone if they weren't forced to.

If you believe that based on life experience then I'm sorry. If you are basing it on "lol south" then yeah, I still think you are a bigot.

 

[SmokeyDan]

People get in trouble when they think of people as a collective anyway. We are all individuals and each group contains a myriad of types of people. I know we are all guilty of it at times here, especially in politics re: left/right.

If you want to see bigotry, ask London what he thinks about "the south" and whites in general. He thinks we would all refuse him business based on skin tone.

All members of a group of people are not the same. That is true. But you can still judge and rank groups by outcomes and averages. It won't tell you anything about any individual within that group, but it will tell you why things are the way they are.

With respect to the black /white issue, there are plenty of examples to gauge the order.

South Africa.

Rhodesia

Haiti

Large american cities.

White people create a decent place to live, black people are given control, the place falls to shit.

In the 1980's the South African rand had equal value to the American dollar.

It was a very prosperous place.

Blacks were given their areas and were funded by the SA government. In 94 the terrorist Mandela was released and elected president when the whites in SA caved to international pressure.

Does anyone think that South Africa is even half as good a place to live now as it was then?

Even the blacks are worse off. There is a white genocide going on now, and rape is as the norm. The rand is pennies on the dollar.

 

[SmokeyDan]

Arab is not a race. Just like Jamaican is not a race

Arab is more than a nationality, though.

If this were 2000 years ago, you'd be right.

Arabs were mostly just in the Arabian peninsula.

With their conquests in the 7th century, they now span and make the majority from Morocco to Iraq.

Arab is a culture. Jamaican is not.

No one has said Arab is a race. I said and no one said different, that Arabs are caucasian.

 

[ginwilly]

All members of a group of people are not the same. That is true. But you can still judge and rank groups by outcomes and averages. It won't tell you anything about any individual within that group, but it will tell you why things are the way they are.

With respect to the black /white issue, there are plenty of examples to gauge the order.

South Africa.

Rhodesia

Haiti

Large american cities.

White people create a decent place to live, black people are given control, the place falls to shit.

In the 1980's the South African rand had equal value to the American dollar.

It was a very prosperous place.

Blacks were given their areas and were funded by the SA government. In 94 the terrorist Mandela was released and elected president when the whites in SA caved to international pressure.

Does anyone think that South Africa is even half as good a place to live now as it was then?

Even the blacks are worse off. There is a white genocide going on now, and rape is as the norm. The rand is pennies on the dollar.

South Africa is a case study unto itself. Apartheid was a very real thing and the consequences of that are still playing out. You are not wrong about what's going on there, but I don't agree with your why it's going on there.

As far as the major cities here. You can substitute black with democrat and see the same argument. It's not a skin color, it's a collective philosophy dems share. Preying on groups with promises of a better life is something the dems have mastered. I hate to be guilty of the partisan blame game, but I lived in Detroit and saw it first hand.

 

[londonfog]

Arab is more than a nationality, though.

If this were 2000 years ago, you'd be right.

Arabs were mostly just in the Arabian peninsula.

With their conquests in the 7th century, they now span and make the majority from Morocco to Iraq.

Arab is a culture. Jamaican is not.

No one has said Arab is a race. I said and no one said different, that Arabs are caucasian.

The more you type and defend, the dumber you get.
Arab is an ethnicity same as Jamaican. Arab is a culture same as being Jamaican. Neither are races or subsets of race
Again if you had ever traveled to either place you would understand this.

 

[SmokeyDan]

South Africa is a case study unto itself. Apartheid was a very real thing and the consequences of that are still playing out. You are not wrong about what's going on there, but I don't agree with your why it's going on there.

As far as the major cities here. You can substitute black with democrat and see the same argument. It's not a skin color, it's a collective philosophy dems share. Preying on groups with promises of a better life is something the dems have mastered. I hate to be guilty of the partisan blame game, but I lived in Detroit and saw it first hand.

White Democrats have made a nice place for themselves in places like Boston and San Francisco.

Only the large black population cities that are democratic are the ones in trouble. Detroit, New Orleans, Cleveland just to name a couple. Thankfully there aren't many.

I think you can look world wide and not find one place that is prospering or has recently that is majority black

You can find several places where whites controlled blacks and all had prosperity (Rhodesia south Africa) and blacks took control and the place fell to pieces.

They're having trouble feeding themselves.

SA is only saved from the fate of Zimbabwe because of its enormous mineral wealth. It'd be hard to fuck it up there, but they've managed.

 

[SmokeyDan]

The more you type and defend, the dumber you get.
Arab is an ethnicity same as Jamaican. Arab is a culture same as being Jamaican. Neither are races.
Again if you had ever traveled to either place you would understand this.

Where you make a mistake is to call me dumb and pretend you aren't.

You're right, Arab is an ethnicity, it's also a culture.

But Jamaican is not.

Tell me, if you took a Jamaican and someone from Barbados would you be able to tell the difference?

No, they'd look the same.

Jamaicans have African ethnicity. West African to be precise. Which is different from the pigmies and the east africans that make up the negroid race.

Fucking pigmies. A race that has pigmies.

Jamaican is a nationality.

 

[ginwilly]

White Democrats have made a nice place for themselves in places like Boston and San Francisco.

Only the large black population cities that are democratic are the ones in trouble. Detroit, New Orleans, Cleveland just to name a couple. Thankfully there aren't many.

I think you can look world wide and not find one place that is prospering or has recently that is majority black

You can find several places where whites controlled blacks and all had prosperity (Rhodesia south Africa) and blacks took control and the place fell to pieces.

They're having trouble feeding themselves.

SA is only saved from the fate of Zimbabwe because of its enormous mineral wealth. It'd be hard to fuck it up there, but they've managed.

Atlanta is a large Black population city that absolutely rocks. It's republican controlled. Birmingham is dem controlled in a pub state as well as Mobile so they are broke ass cities.

I'll admit that nobody colonizes like the Europeans colonize, but that doesn't mean it's best. It's just the way we think it's best. Some think living in teepees and hunting and gathering is the best way to live.

There are eastern European cities that are all white that make Detroit look like Shangri-la. It's not a skin color thing.

Parts of Russia are worse than the mud huts of the wilds in Africa.

 

[londonfog]

Where you make a mistake is to call me dumb and pretend you aren't.

You're right, Arab is an ethnicity, it's also a culture.

But Jamaican is not.

Tell me, if you took a Jamaican and someone from Barbados would you be able to tell the difference?

No, they'd look the same.

Jamaicans have African ethnicity. West African to be precise. Which is different from the pigmies and the east africans that make up the negroid race.

Fucking pigmies. A race that has pigmies.

Jamaican is a nationality.

You retarded idiot. Being Jamaican means you were born in Jamaica. They have Asian Jamaicans as well as white Jamaicans.

 

[londonfog]

Atlanta is a large Black population city that absolutely rocks. It's republican controlled. Birmingham is dem controlled in a pub state as well as Mobile so they are broke ass cities.

I'll admit that nobody colonizes like the Europeans colonize, but that doesn't mean it's best. It's just the way we think it's best. Some think living in teepees and hunting and gathering is the best way to live.

There are eastern European cities that are all white that make Detroit look like Shangri-la. It's not a skin color thing.

Parts of Russia are worse than the mud huts of the wilds in Africa.

Atlanta is Dem. Your state of GA is Repub

 

[SmokeyDan]

Atlanta is a large Black population city that absolutely rocks. It's republican controlled. Birmingham is dem controlled in a pub state as well as Mobile so they are broke ass cities.

I'll admit that nobody colonizes like the Europeans colonize, but that doesn't mean it's best. It's just the way we think it's best. Some think living in teepees and hunting and gathering is the best way to live.

There are eastern European cities that are all white that make Detroit look like Shangri-la. It's not a skin color thing.

Parts of Russia are worse than the mud huts of the wilds in Africa.

Republicans manage the problem better. Atlanta has a lot of problems though. And a large white population.

Mobile and Birmingham suck.

I don't equate a successful civilization to tall buildings and a stock market .

Hunter gatherer people can have that .

My measuring stick is can you feed yourself and the people.

If we stopped all public assistance, what do you think would happen?

If we stopped sending large shipments of humanitarian aid to Africa, what would happen?

I've seen plenty of successful and smart individuals out of that group. I've never seen an example of that group succeeding on its own as a whole. Independently.

 

[SmokeyDan]

You retarded idiot. Being Jamaican means you were born in Jamaica. They have Asian Jamaicans as well as white Jamaicans.

That's why I said it's a nationality. That's why I asked you if you could tell a difference between a Jamaican and a Barbadian.

 

[ginwilly]

Atlanta is Dem. Your state of GA is Repub

Yes, thanks for the correction. Reed is a Dem. He's such a conservative I forget that sometimes.

He's a future rock star for your party if you'll have him. He built a successful business as a teenager. No really he BUILT THAT.

 

[londonfog]

That's why I said it's a nationality. That's why I asked you if you could tell a difference between a Jamaican and a Barbadian.

You do realize they have Asian Jamaicans as well as some white Jamaican. Do you know this.

 

[ginwilly]

If we stopped all public assistance, what do you think would happen?

This is a good philosophical conversation. I think we would have bedlam and riots in the streets if we stopped. If we CHANGED our assistance to training and teaching people how to fish instead, it would improve everyone's living conditions.

If you gave me a choice of working a shitty job for little money, or living off the teet of nanny just as well or better for sitting on my ass and or partying. I'm not doing that shitty job I hate.

 

[ginwilly]

You do realize they have Asian Jamaicans as well as some white Jamaican. Do you know this.

A Jamaican.

The voice of an angel too.

 

[londonfog]

Yes, thanks for the correction. Reed is a Dem. He's such a conservative I forget that sometimes.

He's a future rock star for your party if you'll have him. He built a successful business as a teenager. No really he BUILT THAT.

please share with us how Muhammad Kasim Reed is such a conservative ?

 

[londonfog]

A Jamaican.

The voice of an angel too.

very much Jamaican..BIG UP

 

[ginwilly]

please share with us how Muhammad Kasim Reed is such a conservative ?

He's business friendly. He believes people should be allowed to keep most of what they make. He's business friendly. He believes people actually DO build that. He believes in a social safety net, but most importantly he believes in individual accountability. He's business friendly. He believes cutting taxes will bring jobs to Atlanta. He's business friendly.