Jesus wasn't white

[desert dude]

 

[londonfog]

He's business friendly. He believes people should be allowed to keep most of what they make. He's business friendly. He believes people actually DO build that. He believes in a social safety net, but most importantly he believes in individual accountability. He's business friendly. He believes cutting taxes will bring jobs to Atlanta. He's business friendly.

you more lost then I originally thought.

 

[ginwilly]

you more lost then I originally thought.

I've actually been at a dinner with the man (1,000 people there) and heard a speech he gave. I like him a lot.

He was speaking to business people though, maybe he has a different philosophy for different crowds. I would be disappointed, but not surprised. He IS a politician after all.

 

[desert dude]

Jesus is a statutorial rapist:

http://www.ghananation.com/news/110711-14-year-old-girl-pregnant-with-baby-jesus.html

That’s when Amanda’s mother begged God to forgive her sinful daughter. However, her prayers were met strangely: Judy claims God came to her in a vision and said he had impregnated Amanda through immaculate conception and that she was to give birth to Jesus.

 

[londonfog]

I've actually been at a dinner with the man (1,000 people there) and heard a speech he gave. I like him a lot.

He was speaking to business people though, maybe he has a different philosophy for different crowds. I would be disappointed, but not surprised. He IS a politician after all.

Never had dinner with the man, but looking at his voting record in the House I would not paint him as being conservative.

 

[londonfog]

Jesus is a statutorial rapist:

http://www.ghananation.com/news/110711-14-year-old-girl-pregnant-with-baby-jesus.html
That’s when Amanda’s mother begged God to forgive her sinful daughter. However, her prayers were met strangely: Judy claims God came to her in a vision and said he had impregnated Amanda through immaculate conception and that she was to give birth to Jesus.

Ok with that I'm done

 

[ginwilly]

Never had dinner with the man, but looking at his voting record in the House I would not paint him as being conservative.

Ah shit. Me either. Let me change conservative to moderate please.

Conservative for today's dem standard, but not by conservative standard. Not even close.

I goofed on the point. Conservative not right, moderate is what I'm sticking with as my final answer. Acceptable?

I'll take my lashing and watch while you do your victory lap knowing you deserve it.

 

[desert dude]

Ok with that I'm done

Look at Amanda Magdalen in that photo. She is white. Jes sayin.

 

[londonfog]

Ah shit. Me either. Let me change conservative to moderate please.

Conservative for today's dem standard, but not by conservative standard. Not even close.

I goofed on the point. Conservative not right, moderate is what I'm sticking with as my final answer. Acceptable?

I'll take my lashing and watch while you do your victory lap knowing you deserve it.

Nope I applaud I man that can admit error. We all error at times. I learn and remember best when I'm corrected on a mistake.

 

[ginwilly]

Nope I applaud I man that can admit error. We all error at times. I learn and remember best when I'm corrected on a mistake.

He's a very likable man too. I hope he isn't eaten alive by the machine.

He's even consulted with Herman Cain on a few city/business plans. That's almost not allowed in this climate.

 

[SmokeyDan]

This is a good philosophical conversation. I think we would have bedlam and riots in the streets if we stopped. If we CHANGED our assistance to training and teaching people how to fish instead, it would improve everyone's living conditions.

If you gave me a choice of working a shitty job for little money, or living off the teet of nanny just as well or better for sitting on my ass and or partying. I'm not doing that shitty job I hate.

There is no longer need for all of that.

30 or 50 years ago that would have worked great.

Now though, the jobs requiring those skills are largely gone.

We do have a lot of land though.

I like the idea of setting up government communes. Getting people to settle in them and have them work the land. Produce things. Support the communes through placing those things on the market.

If you're poor and depending upon others to survive, you got two options because we're cutting off welfare after 6 months. You either get back on your feet, or you will be provided a free bus ticket for you and yours to one of these communes. There you will be given an assignment, your kids will be educated and there would be vocational training for adults.

The place would grow the food to feed themselves. People would learn skills just by being there.

 

[ginwilly]

There is no longer need for all of that.

30 or 50 years ago that would have worked great.

Now though, the jobs requiring those skills are largely gone.

We do have a lot of land though.

I like the idea of setting up government communes. Getting people to settle in them and have them work the land. Produce things. Support the communes through placing those things on the market.

If you're poor and depending upon others to survive, you got two options because we're cutting off welfare after 6 months. You either get back on your feet, or you will be provided a free bus ticket for you and yours to one of these communes. There you will be given an assignment, your kids will be educated and there would be vocational training for adults.

The place would grow the food to feed themselves. People would learn skills just by being there.

What I would like to see requires a few layers. First being the legalizing (or at the very least decriminalizing) of drugs. When we empty our prisons of victimless criminals, I want to see the doors off the prisons and converted into not prisons. This is where I want public housing. I want health care on site, schooling on site, and the freedom to come and go as you please. If you need a hot meal, go to the "not a prison anymore" and get fed. Need a bed, it's there too. Need to learn a skill like welding, auto mechanics etc? it's there too.

To live there you need to contribute in some way whether it be cooking/cleaning, gardening, farming, teaching, whatever.

Yes, we are on the same commune thought process. I just think we have the perfect vehicles in place already if we emptied them.

 

[SmokeyDan]

What I would like to see requires a few layers. First being the legalizing (or at the very least decriminalizing) of drugs. When we empty our prisons of victimless criminals, I want to see the doors off the prisons and converted into not prisons. This is where I want public housing. I want health care on site, schooling on site, and the freedom to come and go as you please. If you need a hot meal, go to the "not a prison anymore" and get fed. Need a bed, it's there too. Need to learn a skill like welding, auto mechanics etc? it's there too.

To live there you need to contribute in some way whether it be cooking/cleaning, gardening, farming, teaching, whatever.

Yes, we are on the same commune thought process. I just think we have the perfect vehicles in place already if we emptied them.

Prisons would be practical for that. I don't know if they'd have too bad of an image for that though. There would need to be a lot of renovation.

I wonder if it would not be easier to mas manufacturer mobile home type structures.

The current paradigm of letting people stay on government assistance, forming a blight on our cities has to change. That real estate they occupy is too valuable and has too many productive uses to allow such a drain on the system to remain on it. It's a double whammy.

They could use these places to grow hemp for industrial use. That way they wouldn't compete with any established industry. Though it would impact some, nylon manufacturing for instance. But that would be impacted the same way by private hemp cultivation .

The problem with it is that it would be overwhelmingly black and brown. There would be whites there . But the numbers wouldn't line up with national population averages and it would be called new slave plantations.

 

[londonfog]

Prisons would be practical for that. I don't know if they'd have too bad of an image for that though. There would need to be a lot of renovation.

I wonder if it would not be easier to mas manufacturer mobile home type structures.

The current paradigm of letting people stay on government assistance, forming a blight on our cities has to change. That real estate they occupy is too valuable and has too many productive uses to allow such a drain on the system to remain on it. It's a double whammy.

They could use these places to grow hemp for industrial use. That way they wouldn't compete with any established industry. Though it would impact some, nylon manufacturing for instance. But that would be impacted the same way by private hemp cultivation .

The problem with it is that it would be overwhelmingly black and brown. There would be whites there . But the numbers wouldn't line up with national population averages and it would be called new slave plantations.

Who do you think are the most on welfare ?

 

[ginwilly]

Prisons would be practical for that. I don't know if they'd have too bad of an image for that though. There would need to be a lot of renovation.

I wonder if it would not be easier to mas manufacturer mobile home type structures.

The current paradigm of letting people stay on government assistance, forming a blight on our cities has to change. That real estate they occupy is too valuable and has too many productive uses to allow such a drain on the system to remain on it. It's a double whammy.

They could use these places to grow hemp for industrial use. That way they wouldn't compete with any established industry. Though it would impact some, nylon manufacturing for instance. But that would be impacted the same way by private hemp cultivation .

The problem with it is that it would be overwhelmingly black and brown. There would be whites there . But the numbers wouldn't line up with national population averages and it would be called new slave plantations.

Poor come in all shapes and sizes. Yes there would be a stigma for those that live in a "used to be prison". Maybe there should be? IDK really, but an incentive to get out of that lifestyle should be there.

Our current form for people who want to get out is they go to the welfare office and are shown how to work the system, not how to be self-sufficient. Job security though for those that work in welfare.

 

[SmokeyDan]

Who do you think are the most on welfare ?

I call anyone living in section 8, projects government housing on welfare.

I know the specific welfare program is one thing, but in this case welfare is a government program, but it is also government assistance of any kind.

 

[ginwilly]

I call anyone living in section 8, projects government housing on welfare.

I know the specific welfare program is one thing, but in this case welfare is a government program, but it is also government assistance of any kind.

He's trying to tell you that more whites live off welfare than any other color of the rainbow.

You get the added bonus of being called racist if you want to limit or reform welfare though, it's the mind of a liberal and all.

 

[UncleBuck]

If you want to see bigotry, ask London what he thinks about "the south" and whites in general. He thinks we would all refuse him business based on skin tone.

that actually just happened within my parents' lifetimes.

do you even history, or is your whole schtick here to be the resident racism apologist?

 

[UncleBuck]

So your bigotry stops with just the southern whites? You gave a different vibe in this discussion before. What changed?

look at the amazing hypersensitivity to perceived anti-white racism on ginwilly's part.

this is a habit normally observed of the stormfront types.

 

[UncleBuck]

I'll admit to be offended when you claim white people would refuse to do business with you based on skin tone if they weren't forced to.

If you believe that based on life experience then I'm sorry. If you are basing it on "lol south" then yeah, I still think you are a bigot.

based on experience of the south, that is exactly what happened!

are you trying to deny the very existence of history itself?

southern whites refused to do business with blacks based solely on skin tone!

most people try to learn from history, not deny it completely like you do ginwilly!