Considering quitting indoor grow

panhead

Well-Known Member
So my lawyer is giving me bad info then? Lol

If they want to break down my door and do an illegal search, go for it I say......
If your lawyer is telling you to willingly open yourself up to police questioning then i'd say hell yes your lawyer is giving you bad advice , if your lawyer is actually reccomending you answer your door & submit to questioning you should fire his ass quick .

If your lawyer is saying you can just go to the door , politely tell them you wont talk to them without a warrant & they are just gonna walk away with their heads hanging low he's again giving bad advice .

Your lawyer must be a tax expert or something , anybody who's ever dealt with police knows that the very minute you exchange words with police they expect you to acknowledge their authority , when you dont then they can use their own judgement .

Avoiding any contact with police leaves them with few options which are use the warrant & kick down the door ,which if they had such warrant you couldnt get to the door fast enough to answer it after they scream POLICESEARCHWARRANT ! Then bash the door down ,or if it was a knock & talk & nobody was home to leave & come back later.

Please explain what good you can do by talking to cops thru your door , fer fuk sakes man the 1st rule of the game is NEVER say anything to police under any circumstances,if you are having a hard time getting past avoiding contact with police & truly think you can out talk cops using the law you might want to get out of growing .
 

Medicanman

Active Member
Cops are not going to waste their time with a 2 plant CFL grow. Get over yourself, seriously. You are not that important. Its hard when you are the one looking out but its the truth. You are below small time.

As far as cops coming to the door, don't ever answer or acknowledge you heard them knocking. If they have a warrant they are coming in anyways and no good at all can come from taking to police. Any lawyer who says anything differnt shouldn't be a lawyer.

Remember, you have the right to remain silent. Use it.
 

PSUAGRO.

Well-Known Member
You need to think about cost-benefit. Does the government have this kind of tech? Yes. Is it cost effective for them to put it into use to catch someone growing on the scale of the OP? Absolutely not. If you think they are going to pay some analyst to sit in front of a computer and enhance a satellite image enough that he can spot the difference between a couple pot plants in the middle of a forest and the rest of the forest plants all around them, you have no idea how slim these operating budgets are. Helicopters and satellites, even in illegal states, aren't looking for anything less than massive grows. 200 plants on a landscaped, sun facing hill? Yeah, a helicopter might notice that. A giant, unpermitted warehouse that you built on an out of the way piece of land? Yeah, satellites might pick that up and they might send building inspectors. 5-6 plants in a middle of nowhere forest somewhere? No one's gonna notice, no one's gonna care.
Yeah the feds don't give a shit about small grows and closet setups.........but local enforcement/narcs have put a couple of growers away for long sentences around here. I try to be smart and know that if your cultivating in a non mmj state you better be prepared to do the time no doubt.

Start selling your grow and your asking for it........no one likes a tax free business ;-)

If your lawyer is telling you to willingly open yourself up to police questioning then i'd say hell yes your lawyer is giving you bad advice , if your lawyer is actually reccomending you answer your door & submit to questioning you should fire his ass quick .

If your lawyer is saying you can just go to the door , politely tell them you wont talk to them without a warrant & they are just gonna walk away with their heads hanging low he's again giving bad advice .

Your lawyer must be a tax expert or something , anybody who's ever dealt with police knows that the very minute you exchange words with police they expect you to acknowledge their authority , when you dont then they can use their own judgement .

Avoiding any contact with police leaves them with few options which are use the warrant & kick down the door ,which if they had such warrant you couldnt get to the door fast enough to answer it after they scream POLICESEARCHWARRANT ! Then bash the door down ,or if it was a knock & talk & nobody was home to leave & come back later.

Please explain what good you can do by talking to cops thru your door , fer fuk sakes man the 1st rule of the game is NEVER say anything to police under any circumstances,if you are having a hard time getting past avoiding contact with police & truly think you can out talk cops using the law you might want to get out of growing .
Calm down, .......obviously staying quiet is the best option FOR MOST...if you don't wanna be a fucking burden to your neighbors(apt complex) you can talk to them through the door politely to resolve the issue sometimes or not.....cops in Philly have more important shit to worry about. If you want to piss off your local police department to do multiple knock overs till they get in contact......be my guest

If they think your growing big time, their usually gonna set a sting(easier than warrant).......cultivating with intent to sell is what the DA wants on the table.

My criminal lawyer is a greedy Italian bastard! Gets it done though....ha
 
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panhead

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If the cops come to your house, and there is no smell, no visible plants, no probable cause, then stay polite, and if they ask to search the house, tell them you will not consent to a search without a warrant, but don't stop them if they try to come in, just make it clear that you are not consenting to the search. Try to document everything they do inside the house. if they find something illegal, during an unauthorized and unwarranted search of your premises that you made it clear you did not consent to (But in no way physically barred them from entering), with a half decent lawyer you have an extremely good chance of getting anything they find thrown out of court, and any evidence they collect as inadmissible. Cops will often overstep their bounds of jurisdiction, and if they are documented as doing such, they will have a hard time getting charges to stick to you even if you are caught red handed. Just be sure you know your rights and how they apply in your state, and have a lawyer's number handy. A good lawyer can get you out of almost anything, especially if you follow the script correctly and catch the cops every time they slip up and do something they aren't technically allowed to do.
Being that i was convicted for attempted murder 40 years ago & served 2.5 yrs in Jackson prison , then convicted of manufacturing a controlled substance 35 years ago & sitting out another 26 months in prison no police interaction is easy for me , the attempted murder means when they run my plate or name it comes back "approach with caution" & they use that shit to their advantage & fuk me & my family over at every interaction .

Your advice sounds good & means well but isnt based on the reality of how cops work , we live in Bloomfield Hills which is the most expensive suburb of Detroit & cops here are worse than Detroit , despite the fact their driving a Cadillac Escalade , last year the cops came to our home looking for my eldest son to serve him a subpena he'd been ducking .

I had just finished walking the dog & put him out back & was taking off my shoes so i didnt have time to close the big door , cops walk up & ask if im my son or if he's home , i say home ? He hasnt lived here in 20 yrs & you must know that , within a split second cop #2 opens my screen door & walks directly in my home with cop #1 hot on his heels .

Im like wtf do you guys think your doing & cop #2 says he saw drug paraphernalia & had the right to enter , so now im saying wtf drug gear are you talking about & he walks over to my Mcintosh Tube HiFi amplifiers & points at the tubes & asks why they are glowing hot & how its used for drugs ? At this point im pissed & sarcastic & ask if he isnt trained well enough to distinguish stereo equipment from drug gear how can he just force into my home , while he's telling me about probable cause my wife's scooting around the other end of the house in her Rascal Scooter & cop #1 bolts for the family room , i try & follow & am instantly snatched up & put in cuffs , im 62 yrs old & explaining that my wife is i'll & cant take being frightened without medical repercussions so he walked me back to the family room where cop #1 is at but no sign of my wife , she heard the commotion with the cops & called our son telling him to stay away,luckily he called our other son & told him to leave work & check on us asap .

The cop screamed my sons name saying " come out " & my wife's voice is very weak answering them from her bedroom saying she's comming out ,the cop hears her little scooter making noise & puts his hand on his weapon & pulls it out of the holster lock position ,now im afraid he'll kill her & im pleading with both of them telling them to expect a very tiny sick woman in a chair dressed in silk robes & not a man .

They see my wife & her robes are all bunched up so no skin anywhere is showing except her beautiful face & ask her for consent to search her for weapons , i answer for her saying hell no you cant search my sick wife in her home & the cop explains her robes could be covering a weapon , i explain my wife is a Lebanese Muslim & if they force her to show any skin it will humiliate her badly & violate her beliefs , as well as our marriage vows , he accepted that but now we got more to explain about drug crap.

Our family room is our smoking area & in a corner we keep a 50 inch custom made wooden Hooka pipe my wife got from Beirut 40 years ago ,she used to occasionally smoke traditional flavored tobacco from the Hooka before she got i'll ,now they have real probable cause even though i point out its a tobacco pipe they want to see the whole home , when i protest im told about the easy way vs the hard way , i tell them i wont consent but i wont interfere either so cop#1 goes on a tour of the home & see's everything we own & comes back with a zillion questions about drugs .

The cop saw my wifes used needle recepticle in her bathroom & asked if we were IV drug users so im like well duh ! My wife gets IV drugs for her disease ,now he wants to see her drugs so i tell him to look top shelf of the wine fridge we use for her meds & soda pop , he did a google on her meds on the spot , keep in mind im an old man who's broken his back yrs ago & ive been in cuffs about 40 minutes & am asking to be released & for them to please leave our home , im told to shut my god damn mouth & they'll leave when their fucking finished with us , hearing that freaked my wife right out .

My wife is afraid of all cops from being raised in Lebanon where cops shot her neighbors & murdered them when she was little ,she starts having a panic attack so bad she's having tremors that worsen rapidly & she wet herself , her breathing was irregular & shallow from rapid heartbeat , at this point im bawling my eyes out & start screaming/begging for them to release me so i can treat her , or for them to call an ambulance asap & tell them a RRMS patient who also has Sharko Marie Tooth Syndrome , Bone Density disorder ,Austio Arthritis ,Dimensia & Brain Legions needs urgent help so the cop says if we uncuff you there better not be any stupid shit , obviously i agree & he uncuffs me , i make a dead run for little wine fridge where i keep liquid meds & the cop stops me so he can have another look in the mini fridge 1st ,after rooting around he finally allowed me access to our meds .

I gave her a shot of Lorazepam & put an 8mg instant release Dilaudid under her tounge & start comforting her , the stress triggered her dimensia & she was begging me asking me what the police did with her husband & if HE was ok , i kept talking her thru the panic & she realized i was there & not hurt so her breathing eased up .

Our youngest son came rushing thru the door & after seeing his mother & myself going thru hell freaks out & screams at them wtf did you do to my parents , blamo ,instant slam against the wall & in handcuffs , my sons freaking out & hollering at the.cops saying we'd sue the shit out of both of them & that just got them pissed , now while checking his ID to see if he was his brother he gets the knee in the spine & forearm across the neck , after seeing who he was one cop walked him outside & explained what happened while the cop with us tried to make it look like they were after a fugitive & we were not cooperative & were lucky we weren't going to jail,i just wanted it to end so i didnt say shit & let things calm down & spent the rest of the day keeping my wife calm.

We consulted the best law firm in Detroit ( Figer Law who represented Dr Jack Kevorkian the assisted suicide Dr ) , the 1st question asked was there any witnesses which we said no , the next was did they injure us & leave marks & again the answer was no , next was did they interfere or stop me from providing care for my wife , i explained everything as well as time frames from when i said she needed my help until i was allowed to treat her , i even told them about the cop searching the medicine fride twice before allowing me access .

After about a 2 hour question & answer period they let me know what i allready knew , the cop saw glass glowing & thought it was a pipe which allowed entry & my violent history & prison record allowed restraint ,hearing strange noises ( her scooter ) warranted readying his weapon , the hooka & used needles warranted a search , my sons threatening tone & size warranted & take down , his unknown identy warranted him being restrained & it would boil down to the word of a 2 time felon drug dealer vs 2 honored policemen .

Its one hella long post but IT IS the way shit goes down with.cops everywhere everyday , unless you have real time video lawsuits are useless .
 

ODanksta

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Over ten plants(includes seeds/clones!) is a MANDATORY minimum of 1 year IMPRISONMENT here in philly(PA)............their are worse state laws in the US than this....

we wont even go into confiscation of property too...............I rent:eyesmoke:

some of our paranoia is warranted...
I think Oklahoma has the worst laws, if I'm not mistaken
 

ODanksta

Well-Known Member
Wow, very Draconic, I live in Australia and got done with 18 outdoors and pled guilty to all counts of growing, cultivating, blah blah blah and was fined $1700 with no conviction. The judge said that he respected that I admitted guilt and thus not creating a long drawn out court battle wasting the courts time and resources. So I took a growing break for about 2 years then went full indoor hydro
Wtf is wrong with American? Some states will hang you others its completely legal... BS
 

ODanksta

Well-Known Member
Being that i was convicted for attempted murder 40 years ago & served 2.5 yrs in Jackson prison , then convicted of manufacturing a controlled substance 35 years ago & sitting out another 26 months in prison no police interaction is easy for me , the attempted murder means when they run my plate or name it comes back "approach with caution" & they use that shit to their advantage & fuk me & my family over at every interaction .

Your advice sounds good & means well but isnt based on the reality of how cops work , we live in Bloomfield Hills which is the most expensive suburb of Detroit & cops here are worse than Detroit , despite the fact their driving a Cadillac Escalade , last year the cops came to our home looking for my eldest son to serve him a subpena he'd been ducking .

I had just finished walking the dog & put him out back & was taking off my shoes so i didnt have time to close the big door , cops walk up & ask if im my son or if he's home , i say home ? He hasnt lived here in 20 yrs & you must know that , within a split second cop #2 opens my screen door & walks directly in my home with cop #1 hot on his heels .

Im like wtf do you guys think your doing & cop #2 says he saw drug paraphernalia & had the right to enter , so now im saying wtf drug gear are you talking about & he walks over to my Mcintosh Tube HiFi amplifiers & points at the tubes & asks why they are glowing hot & how its used for drugs ? At this point im pissed & sarcastic & ask if he isnt trained well enough to distinguish stereo equipment from drug gear how can he just force into my home , while he's telling me about probable cause my wife's scooting around the other end of the house in her Rascal Scooter & cop #1 bolts for the family room , i try & follow & am instantly snatched up & put in cuffs , im 62 yrs old & explaining that my wife is i'll & cant take being frightened without medical repercussions so he walked me back to the family room where cop #1 is at but no sign of my wife , she heard the commotion with the cops & called our son telling him to stay away,luckily he called our other son & told him to leave work & check on us asap .

The cop screamed my sons name saying " come out " & my wife's voice is very weak answering them from her bedroom saying she's comming out ,the cop hears her little scooter making noise & puts his hand on his weapon & pulls it out of the holster lock position ,now im afraid he'll kill her & im pleading with both of them telling them to expect a very tiny sick woman in a chair dressed in silk robes & not a man .

They see my wife & her robes are all bunched up so no skin anywhere is showing except her beautiful face & ask her for consent to search her for weapons , i answer for her saying hell no you cant search my sick wife in her home & the cop explains her robes could be covering a weapon , i explain my wife is a Lebanese Muslim & if they force her to show any skin it will humiliate her badly & violate her beliefs , as well as our marriage vows , he accepted that but now we got more to explain about drug crap.

Our family room is our smoking area & in a corner we keep a 50 inch custom made wooden Hooka pipe my wife got from Beirut 40 years ago ,she used to occasionally smoke traditional flavored tobacco from the Hooka before she got i'll ,now they have real probable cause even though i point out its a tobacco pipe they want to see the whole home , when i protest im told about the easy way vs the hard way , i tell them i wont consent but i wont interfere either so cop#1 goes on a tour of the home & see's everything we own & comes back with a zillion questions about drugs .

The cop saw my wifes used needle recepticle in her bathroom & asked if we were IV drug users so im like well duh ! My wife gets IV drugs for her disease ,now he wants to see her drugs so i tell him to look top shelf of the wine fridge we use for her meds & soda pop , he did a google on her meds on the spot , keep in mind im an old man who's broken his back yrs ago & ive been in cuffs about 40 minutes & am asking to be released & for them to please leave our home , im told to shut my god damn mouth & they'll leave when their fucking finished with us , hearing that freaked my wife right out .

My wife is afraid of all cops from being raised in Lebanon where cops shot her neighbors & murdered them when she was little ,she starts having a panic attack so bad she's having tremors that worsen rapidly & she wet herself , her breathing was irregular & shallow from rapid heartbeat , at this point im bawling my eyes out & start screaming/begging for them to release me so i can treat her , or for them to call an ambulance asap & tell them a RRMS patient who also has Sharko Marie Tooth Syndrome , Bone Density disorder ,Austio Arthritis ,Dimensia & Brain Legions needs urgent help so the cop says if we uncuff you there better not be any stupid shit , obviously i agree & he uncuffs me , i make a dead run for little wine fridge where i keep liquid meds & the cop stops me so he can have another look in the mini fridge 1st ,after rooting around he finally allowed me access to our meds .

I gave her a shot of Lorazepam & put an 8mg instant release Dilaudid under her tounge & start comforting her , the stress triggered her dimensia & she was begging me asking me what the police did with her husband & if HE was ok , i kept talking her thru the panic & she realized i was there & not hurt so her breathing eased up .

Our youngest son came rushing thru the door & after seeing his mother & myself going thru hell freaks out & screams at them wtf did you do to my parents , blamo ,instant slam against the wall & in handcuffs , my sons freaking out & hollering at the.cops saying we'd sue the shit out of both of them & that just got them pissed , now while checking his ID to see if he was his brother he gets the knee in the spine & forearm across the neck , after seeing who he was one cop walked him outside & explained what happened while the cop with us tried to make it look like they were after a fugitive & we were not cooperative & were lucky we weren't going to jail,i just wanted it to end so i didnt say shit & let things calm down & spent the rest of the day keeping my wife calm.

We consulted the best law firm in Detroit ( Figer Law who represented Dr Jack Kevorkian the assisted suicide Dr ) , the 1st question asked was there any witnesses which we said no , the next was did they injure us & leave marks & again the answer was no , next was did they interfere or stop me from providing care for my wife , i explained everything as well as time frames from when i said she needed my help until i was allowed to treat her , i even told them about the cop searching the medicine fride twice before allowing me access .

After about a 2 hour question & answer period they let me know what i allready knew , the cop saw glass glowing & thought it was a pipe which allowed entry & my violent history & prison record allowed restraint ,hearing strange noises ( her scooter ) warranted readying his weapon , the hooka & used needles warranted a search , my sons threatening tone & size warranted & take down , his unknown identy warranted him being restrained & it would boil down to the word of a 2 time felon drug dealer vs 2 honored policemen .

Its one hella long post but IT IS the way shit goes down with.cops everywhere everyday , unless you have real time video lawsuits are useless .
Man, that is one hell of a story. If the police ever raided me, I'm taking the suicide by cop route. Im pulling out a gun, not firing it! I'll let them kill me. But I am single with no kids. Something has to give with these bitch ass police. We the people need to stand up and fight back! I am ready for a civil war..
 

Reeferfish

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Man this thread blew up over night! You guys are funny I can tell the difference between people who have been in the woods and others who have not. Do you realize how difficult it is to see in the woods I will be growing in? You can't see someone less than 10 yards away! It's thick, very secluded literally 8 miles is the nearest grocery store, and no it's not in philly but your about 100 miles off ;)

The other reason I want to go outside is that I can grow bigger plants. I can't do anything bigger on my apartment because of space and family/ friends being around.
 
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earthling420

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Man this thread blew up over night! You guys are funny I can tell the difference between people who have been in the woods and others who have not. Do you realize how difficult it is to see in the woods I will be growing in? You can't see someone less than 10 yards away! It's thick, very secluded literally 8 miles is the nearest grocery store, and no it's not in philly but your about 100 miles off ;)

The other reason I want to go outside is that I can grow bigger plants. I can't do anything bigger on my apartment because of space and family/ friends being around.
sounds like you already know your answer mate. Time to hit the outdoor growing thread
 

earthling420

Well-Known Member
Being that i was convicted for attempted murder 40 years ago & served 2.5 yrs in Jackson prison , then convicted of manufacturing a controlled substance 35 years ago & sitting out another 26 months in prison no police interaction is easy for me , the attempted murder means when they run my plate or name it comes back "approach with caution" & they use that shit to their advantage & fuk me & my family over at every interaction .

Your advice sounds good & means well but isnt based on the reality of how cops work , we live in Bloomfield Hills which is the most expensive suburb of Detroit & cops here are worse than Detroit , despite the fact their driving a Cadillac Escalade , last year the cops came to our home looking for my eldest son to serve him a subpena he'd been ducking .

I had just finished walking the dog & put him out back & was taking off my shoes so i didnt have time to close the big door , cops walk up & ask if im my son or if he's home , i say home ? He hasnt lived here in 20 yrs & you must know that , within a split second cop #2 opens my screen door & walks directly in my home with cop #1 hot on his heels .

Im like wtf do you guys think your doing & cop #2 says he saw drug paraphernalia & had the right to enter , so now im saying wtf drug gear are you talking about & he walks over to my Mcintosh Tube HiFi amplifiers & points at the tubes & asks why they are glowing hot & how its used for drugs ? At this point im pissed & sarcastic & ask if he isnt trained well enough to distinguish stereo equipment from drug gear how can he just force into my home , while he's telling me about probable cause my wife's scooting around the other end of the house in her Rascal Scooter & cop #1 bolts for the family room , i try & follow & am instantly snatched up & put in cuffs , im 62 yrs old & explaining that my wife is i'll & cant take being frightened without medical repercussions so he walked me back to the family room where cop #1 is at but no sign of my wife , she heard the commotion with the cops & called our son telling him to stay away,luckily he called our other son & told him to leave work & check on us asap .

The cop screamed my sons name saying " come out " & my wife's voice is very weak answering them from her bedroom saying she's comming out ,the cop hears her little scooter making noise & puts his hand on his weapon & pulls it out of the holster lock position ,now im afraid he'll kill her & im pleading with both of them telling them to expect a very tiny sick woman in a chair dressed in silk robes & not a man .

They see my wife & her robes are all bunched up so no skin anywhere is showing except her beautiful face & ask her for consent to search her for weapons , i answer for her saying hell no you cant search my sick wife in her home & the cop explains her robes could be covering a weapon , i explain my wife is a Lebanese Muslim & if they force her to show any skin it will humiliate her badly & violate her beliefs , as well as our marriage vows , he accepted that but now we got more to explain about drug crap.

Our family room is our smoking area & in a corner we keep a 50 inch custom made wooden Hooka pipe my wife got from Beirut 40 years ago ,she used to occasionally smoke traditional flavored tobacco from the Hooka before she got i'll ,now they have real probable cause even though i point out its a tobacco pipe they want to see the whole home , when i protest im told about the easy way vs the hard way , i tell them i wont consent but i wont interfere either so cop#1 goes on a tour of the home & see's everything we own & comes back with a zillion questions about drugs .

The cop saw my wifes used needle recepticle in her bathroom & asked if we were IV drug users so im like well duh ! My wife gets IV drugs for her disease ,now he wants to see her drugs so i tell him to look top shelf of the wine fridge we use for her meds & soda pop , he did a google on her meds on the spot , keep in mind im an old man who's broken his back yrs ago & ive been in cuffs about 40 minutes & am asking to be released & for them to please leave our home , im told to shut my god damn mouth & they'll leave when their fucking finished with us , hearing that freaked my wife right out .

My wife is afraid of all cops from being raised in Lebanon where cops shot her neighbors & murdered them when she was little ,she starts having a panic attack so bad she's having tremors that worsen rapidly & she wet herself , her breathing was irregular & shallow from rapid heartbeat , at this point im bawling my eyes out & start screaming/begging for them to release me so i can treat her , or for them to call an ambulance asap & tell them a RRMS patient who also has Sharko Marie Tooth Syndrome , Bone Density disorder ,Austio Arthritis ,Dimensia & Brain Legions needs urgent help so the cop says if we uncuff you there better not be any stupid shit , obviously i agree & he uncuffs me , i make a dead run for little wine fridge where i keep liquid meds & the cop stops me so he can have another look in the mini fridge 1st ,after rooting around he finally allowed me access to our meds .

I gave her a shot of Lorazepam & put an 8mg instant release Dilaudid under her tounge & start comforting her , the stress triggered her dimensia & she was begging me asking me what the police did with her husband & if HE was ok , i kept talking her thru the panic & she realized i was there & not hurt so her breathing eased up .

Our youngest son came rushing thru the door & after seeing his mother & myself going thru hell freaks out & screams at them wtf did you do to my parents , blamo ,instant slam against the wall & in handcuffs , my sons freaking out & hollering at the.cops saying we'd sue the shit out of both of them & that just got them pissed , now while checking his ID to see if he was his brother he gets the knee in the spine & forearm across the neck , after seeing who he was one cop walked him outside & explained what happened while the cop with us tried to make it look like they were after a fugitive & we were not cooperative & were lucky we weren't going to jail,i just wanted it to end so i didnt say shit & let things calm down & spent the rest of the day keeping my wife calm.

We consulted the best law firm in Detroit ( Figer Law who represented Dr Jack Kevorkian the assisted suicide Dr ) , the 1st question asked was there any witnesses which we said no , the next was did they injure us & leave marks & again the answer was no , next was did they interfere or stop me from providing care for my wife , i explained everything as well as time frames from when i said she needed my help until i was allowed to treat her , i even told them about the cop searching the medicine fride twice before allowing me access .

After about a 2 hour question & answer period they let me know what i allready knew , the cop saw glass glowing & thought it was a pipe which allowed entry & my violent history & prison record allowed restraint ,hearing strange noises ( her scooter ) warranted readying his weapon , the hooka & used needles warranted a search , my sons threatening tone & size warranted & take down , his unknown identy warranted him being restrained & it would boil down to the word of a 2 time felon drug dealer vs 2 honored policemen .

Its one hella long post but IT IS the way shit goes down with.cops everywhere everyday , unless you have real time video lawsuits are useless .
God damn. that's awful so sorry to hear. Good information to know though. Still so sad and pathetic. Sorry partner.
 

Reeferfish

Well-Known Member
sounds like you already know your answer mate. Time to hit the outdoor growing thread
Thanks for the support! I will definitely be moving outdoors. Maybe sometime in the future I'll go indoors again...

I just got spooked and maybe that was a good thing, can't get too comfortable no matter what the size of your operation.
 

jimmer6577

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I just wanted to comment on the few post about amount of plants and being busted. Where I live you can get caught with up to 10 plants and it's a pretty minor charge(so is just a year in county to me) but you do realize if you have say 8 plants with 4 oz each you are also going to get a separate charge for the 2lb's of bud and thats if they don't weigh it roots and all. As far as feds busting a grow, as per NORML it takes over 99 plants to be federal issue.
 

earthling420

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Thanks for the support! I will definitely be moving outdoors. Maybe sometime in the future I'll go indoors again...

I just got spooked and maybe that was a good thing, can't get too comfortable no matter what the size of your operation.
No problem man. You seem to know what's good and what will work better than you can describe to people here. I say do it.
Ya no doubt brotha. Never let your guard down.Always be on ya toes. I would say keep it indoor like everyone else but like I said. you seem to know your limits. just dont get sloppy amd go out there high or aanything lol
 

panhead

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Man, that is one hell of a story. If the police ever raided me, I'm taking the suicide by cop route. Im pulling out a gun, not firing it! I'll let them kill me. But I am single with no kids. Something has to give with these bitch ass police. We the people need to stand up and fight back! I am ready for a civil war..
I hear ya & agree 100% that something needs to be done , the problem is most americans have the attitude where if the cops treated you badly you must of done something to warrant a search , detained , tazed or body slammed because it hasn't happened to them yet .

You'd think with the 100's of police brutality videos on youtube people would open their eyes & realize these are not isolated incidents , or deserved by the citizen because of some flimsy bullshit rule allowing cops to use a level of violence based on how they feel vs factual evidence .
 

ODanksta

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I hear ya & agree 100% that something needs to be done , the problem is most americans have the attitude where if the cops treated you badly you must of done something to warrant a search , detained , tazed or body slammed because it hasn't happened to them yet .

You'd think with the 100's of police brutality videos on youtube people would open their eyes & realize these are not isolated incidents , or deserved by the citizen because of some flimsy bullshit rule allowing cops to use a level of violence based on how they feel vs factual evidence .
I love you brother..
 
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