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best way to keep a mother in your experience? (hydro prefered

Drumfounded

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Ah, yes.. you are doing hydro. Hydro is great, but there is that ever nagging fear in the back of your head that keeps reminding you that your entire crop could fail at any moment.

Keep a mom in soil (5-7 gallon), top her from 6 nodes down to 4 from seed and train her out flat so that each new node grows a new shoot quickly. In 6 weeks you'll have all the cloning material you need.
What about feeding? Does she require a usual regime or does need less after a while? What kind of light would you suggest? I have a 1kw MH in my veg tent where I plan to keep the mothers. They wouldn't be directly under the light, just off to the side. And most likely sitting on the floor. With the bucket or pot I'd like to keep them under 3'. Does this sound like an okay place to start?
 

curious2garden

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Is that a soil? I'm a total newbie and I only have experience in hydro, please pardon my ignorance!
I keep mothers in hydro, large mothers, right now. Here they are under the plasma light. I use soilless for a substrate for my hydro mothers. You can use pretty your same nutrients and simply drain to waste. I lower the light on my mothers (I want them to stretch internodal length), and I usually feed them regular veg food and alternate with tap water (plain tap water no pHing etc...), to keep them growing slowly. As they get to tall if I don't need more clones I simply give them a haircut shortening them and throw away the extras.
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I don't usually keep mothers but right now with moving through strains so quickly I do not want to lose my Kosher Kush girl who is just phenomenal. So I'm careful. Anyway I usually take clones off my vegging plants 2 weeks after I've flipped them to flower. That is the time I trim off 18 to 24 inches from the bottom where light doesn't penetrate. So again lower nitrogen (rooting is sped up).
hth,
Annie
 

Dr.Pecker

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Well that's a lot of what I expected to hear. Am I right to fear the idea of soil and hydro in the same tent?
You can run a dwc next to a soil plant. If you look hard you might be able to find a battery for keeping minnows alive (people use them for fishing) that would power the air pump I'm pretty sure they make them. You want a back up plan for them maybe even a generator. That air pump has to run.
 

Dr.Pecker

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I keep mothers in hydro, large mothers, right now. Here they are under the plasma light. I use soilless for a substrate for my hydro mothers. You can use pretty your same nutrients and simply drain to waste. I lower the light on my mothers (I want them to stretch internodal length), and I usually feed them regular veg food and alternate with tap water (plain tap water no pHing etc...), to keep them growing slowly. As they get to tall if I don't need more clones I simply give them a haircut shortening them and throw away the extras.
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I don't usually keep mothers but right now with moving through strains so quickly I do not want to lose my Kosher Kush girl who is just phenomenal. So I'm careful. Anyway I usually take clones off my vegging plants 2 weeks after I've flipped them to flower. That is the time I trim off 18 to 24 inches from the bottom where light doesn't penetrate. So again lower nitrogen (rooting is sped up).
hth,
Annie
Tell me about the plasma
 

Drumfounded

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I keep mothers in hydro, large mothers, right now. Here they are under the plasma light. I use soilless for a substrate for my hydro mothers. You can use pretty your same nutrients and simply drain to waste. I lower the light on my mothers (I want them to stretch internodal length), and I usually feed them regular veg food and alternate with tap water (plain tap water no pHing etc...), to keep them growing slowly. As they get to tall if I don't need more clones I simply give them a haircut shortening them and throw away the extras.
View attachment 3315239

I don't usually keep mothers but right now with moving through strains so quickly I do not want to lose my Kosher Kush girl who is just phenomenal. So I'm careful. Anyway I usually take clones off my vegging plants 2 weeks after I've flipped them to flower. That is the time I trim off 18 to 24 inches from the bottom where light doesn't penetrate. So again lower nitrogen (rooting is sped up).
hth,
Annie
Yes. Please tell us about the plasmas! I can't really get the light in a better spot for the mothers. Would it be a good idea to add cfls or a t5 fixture, just to keep on the mothers and keep close to help prevent stretch? What is your soil soiless substrate?
 

curious2garden

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Yes. Please tell us about the plasmas! I can't really get the light in a better spot for the mothers. Would it be a good idea to add cfls or a t5 fixture, just to keep on the mothers and keep close to help prevent stretch? What is your soil soiless substrate?
I think I put almost all my pics in this thread. http://rollitup.org/t/water-only.851064/
Yes the plasma light, so far disappointing. The bulb (rated for 30,000+ hours), went out a mere 2 weeks after going out of warranty with a mere 1000 hours or less on it. I'll give more information depending on what the company decides to do. But so far I'm withholding judgment pending information.

For mothers I usually use T5HO and I'll be moving them back under that. Right now they are under Metal Halide after the Plasma crap out LOL. Really consider soilless.
 

Glaucoma

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What about feeding? Does she require a usual regime or does need less after a while? What kind of light would you suggest? I have a 1kw MH in my veg tent where I plan to keep the mothers. They wouldn't be directly under the light, just off to the side. And most likely sitting on the floor. With the bucket or pot I'd like to keep them under 3'. Does this sound like an okay place to start?
Personally, I liked to keep a mother under full lighting (MH) like any other vegging plant. Cloning off of a plant in full swing veg growth is easier IMO. The vigorous growth makes for a faster response. At least, that's my theory.

My second choice would be under CFLs.

To answer your feeding question, lower light levels require less nutrients.

3' is easy to maintain.. just train her out flat and keep her pruned. Just cause you aren't taking clones doesn't mean you can't trim her down some if she's getting out of hand.
 

Glaucoma

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Yes the plasma light, so far disappointing. The bulb (rated for 30,000+ hours), went out a mere 2 weeks after going out of warranty with a mere 1000 hours or less on it. I'll give more information depending on what the company decides to do. But so far I'm withholding judgment pending information.

For mothers I usually use T5HO and I'll be moving them back under that. Right now they are under Metal Halide after the Plasma crap out LOL. Really consider soilless.
Oh man, that sucks. They are really attractive to me because of the low heat.

I'm curious if you can use them by themselves. Every manufacturer seems to recommend you use them as supplements to HIDs.

This is the first complaint I've come across so far. I hope they take care of you. Those systems are expensive!
 

curious2garden

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Oh man, that sucks. They are really attractive to me because of the low heat.

I'm curious if you can use them by themselves. Every manufacturer seems to recommend you use them as supplements to HIDs.

This is the first complaint I've come across so far. I hope they take care of you. Those systems are expensive!
Plasma light, low heat? Possibly compared to 1000 Watt HID. I still have to evacuate the heat from its heatsink. I would have shot it with my temp gun for a comparison but I wasn't expecting such 'short' use!

I usually leave my mothers under T5. I do not want them growing fast. Clones strike faster when they are lower in nitrogen and worried about survival which seems to promote the production of the hormones necessary for rooting vs growth. That is also why I keep my cloner next to my T5 array and not under it. I want my clones to feel the threat. My limiting factor with clones is heat.
 

Glaucoma

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Plasma light, low heat? Possibly compared to 1000 Watt HID. I still have to evacuate the heat from its heatsink. I would have shot it with my temp gun for a comparison but I wasn't expecting such 'short' use!

I usually leave my mothers under T5. I do not want them growing fast. Clones strike faster when they are lower in nitrogen and worried about survival which seems to promote the production of the hormones necessary for rooting vs growth. That is also why I keep my cloner next to my T5 array and not under it. I want my clones to feel the threat. My limiting factor with clones is heat.
Yeah, I meant in comparison. For something that puts off so much light, it runs way cooler overall. I've seen them running in a store, but not in actual use.

How does a plant that grows slower have less Nitrogen? The plant will uptake what it needs as long as it's available. I think cutting them is the threat you are seeing them respond to. =) I will say though, having lower light levels does have an advantage: Longer internode spacing can make nice, tall clones. Tall clones are perfect for hydroton net pots.
 

curious2garden

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Yeah, I meant in comparison. For something that puts off so much light, it runs way cooler overall. I've seen them running in a store, but not in actual use.

How does a plant that grows slower have less Nitrogen? The plant will uptake what it needs as long as it's available. I think cutting them is the threat you are seeing them respond to. =) I will say though, having lower light levels does have an advantage: Longer internode spacing can make nice, tall clones. Tall clones are perfect for hydroton net pots.
Doesn't need as much food as it's growing slower, slower metabolism slows food intake That's why it doesn't have as much nitrogen because it doesn't need as much :) Hence why I run lower light but not low enough to stimulate flowering. You can flower under low light conditions in 18+ hour days.
 

Glaucoma

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In any case, off to the side and in soil seems to be the best idea for this setup. I can totally endorse that.

When I ran DWC, I loved being able to sit clones at the bottom of my 6" net pots.
 

curious2garden

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In any case, off to the side and in soil seems to be the best idea for this setup. I can totally endorse that.

When I ran DWC, I loved being able to sit clones at the bottom of my 6" net pots.
I disagree I think soilless would keep him in hydro. But it doesn't matter, frankly he should try several different approaches and see what ends up working out for him and what he likes.
 

nomofatum

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How many cuttings will you want per whatever timeframe? You want to make sure she grows fast enough for you, but doesn't grow so fast that you are trimming and tossing just to keep her in her space. Unless you need a ton of cuttings I would avoid anything that uses a pump. Go with a standard pot with soil or a soil-less medium and hydro nutes. Weaken the nutes and lighting to the point she grows at the rate you desire.
 

Drumfounded

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Yes the plasma light, so far disappointing. The bulb (rated for 30,000+ hours), went out a mere 2 weeks after going out of warranty with a mere 1000 hours or less on it. I'll give more information depending on what the company decides to do. But so far I'm withholding judgment pending information.

For mothers I usually use T5HO and I'll be moving them back under that. Right now they are under Metal Halide after the Plasma crap out LOL. Really consider soilless.
That's a bummer man. I hope they do right by you. Definitely give us an update if you and when you can!
I disagree I think soilless would keep him in hydro. But it doesn't matter, frankly he should try several different approaches and see what ends up working out for him and what he likes.
You're absolutely correct. I often feel foolish for asking some questions on here because I know the answers come with experience. I hope to experiment with my methods in the future. Not really looking for a sure thing, just some advice and a good place to start. Appreciate the feedback!
How many cuttings will you want per whatever timeframe? You want to make sure she grows fast enough for you, but doesn't grow so fast that you are trimming and tossing just to keep her in her space. Unless you need a ton of cuttings I would avoid anything that uses a pump. Go with a standard pot with soil or a soil-less medium and hydro nutes. Weaken the nutes and lighting to the point she grows at the rate you desire.
As of now, I'm not 100% sure, depends on how everything goes with my new setup. I'm planning on taking about 30+ cuttings every 2 months, give or take.
 

Goldy

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Did you misunderstand me or am I misunderstanding you lol? When I say a mother kept in hydro, I don't mean keeping her in a rapid rooter plug. I'm more or less thinking a 6th rockwool cube to start and then putting her either in a tray with hydroton, or a 5 gallon bucket the same way.
Haha yea I agreed with what you were saying just everyone else seems to hate on mothers and prefer just cloning and flowering out the original over and over. I should have made it clearer who I was replying to
 

Dr.Pecker

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One thing I will say about cloning, Everyone does it different and every strain clones differently Some plants take a long time and almost die before they take root, some will clone in a week sitting in a glass of water. Hydro cloners are easy and inexpensive to build. I always used a rooting compound in the past and had good results until recently. some of those stores were really good at covering up labels. I noticed most say not for food crop use. I would suggest using aloe instead. just pinch off a leaf and dip the cutting in that
 

torontoke

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Hey dr
Why would you keep a mother for ten years?
Isnt it just a huge plant to maintain and feed when u could just take cuttings of the plant flower it and repeat?
Just so u can keep the strain while not running it perpetually?
 
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