The differences between the Democratic Party and the Republican Party

[desert dude]

In a system built on the transfer of money, nothing speaks louder.

Don't like Chik-fil-a? make a statement by eating at Popeye's.

Don't like how Wal-mart treats it's employees? Shop at the local mom and pops.

If we are going to remain a capital driven society, and no matter how distasteful we find it we are not leaving it, money speaks as loud and clear as anything.

I'm not a fan of "he who spends the most wins", but I need help from fellow voters to stop making this true.

Have you noticed how campaign ads have grown progressively more negative? Do you know why? study after study shows it works.

So unfortunately, if you want to win an election, you have to outspend and completely bash and discredit your opponent. We have reached that inevitable conclusion of our two party system where we vote against someone instead of for someone.

Money is the least of our problems. The two party "vote for the lesser evil" mentality is much more of a problem.

That is the difference between a capitalist and a socialist.

A capitalist says: I don't like you, so I will take my business elsewhere.

A socialist says: I don't like you, so I will put you in prison, fine you and persecute you.

That's why socialists are so opposed to the Citizens United decision, it struck down their fascist attempt to impose their muzzle on free speech.

 

[ginwilly]

That is the difference between a capitalist and a socialist.

A capitalist says: I don't like you, so I will take my business elsewhere.

A socialist says: I don't like you, so I will put you in prison, fine you and persecute you.

That's why socialists are so opposed to the Citizens United decision, it struck down their fascist attempt to impose their muzzle on free speech.

I think the vast majority who are against the ruling are against it because they are told to be.

 

[desert dude]

I think the vast majority who are against the ruling are against it because they are told to be.

True. Padda is opposed but he doesn't understand the decision. Anybody that decides to argue the merits of CU or Dodd-Frank should take the time to read up on what they do. Wallowing in ignorance is not an argument.

 

[NoDrama]

or you can google, like everyone else in this world.

You have to google it in order to be able to explain your opinion? So, in essence, your entire political viewpoint is really just a collection of OTHER people's ideas?

 

[ginwilly]

True. Padda is opposed but he doesn't understand the decision. Anybody that decides to argue the merits of CU or Dodd-Frank should take the time to read up on what they do. Wallowing in ignorance is not an argument.

A lot of people are against CU because.. MONEY!! Republicans!! (ignore unions or the financial revolving door between dems and Gold Mansacks)

A lot of people are FOR Dodd-Frank because the financial crisis caused by too big to fail (that Dodd-Frank would not have prevented) and are told this fixes it.

It's funny, but a much simpler bill written during the depression Glass-Steagall actually did prevent the shit wall street pulled. It was repealed by Clinton. Dodd-Frank actually harms the small community banks firming the position of those deemed too big to fail. Unintended consequences of micro-managing.

 

[ttystikk]

Money is required to get your view point heard by the public.

The go-to complaint of those with no message that resonates with voters, but plenty of money for sucker ads.

We already have a public funding system in place for candidates, THEY REFUSE TO BE 'LIMITED' BY IT.

Seriously, check and see how many presidential candidates refused the public spending track.

 

[ttystikk]

A lot of people are against CU because.. MONEY!! Republicans!! (ignore unions or the financial revolving door between dems and Gold Mansacks)

A lot of people are FOR Dodd-Frank because the financial crisis caused by too big to fail (that Dodd-Frank would not have prevented) and are told this fixes it.

It's funny, but a much simpler bill written during the depression Glass-Steagall actually did prevent the shit wall street pulled. It was repealed by Clinton. Dodd-Frank actually harms the small community banks firming the position of those deemed too big to fail. Unintended consequences of micro-managing.

Agreed. Dodd-Frank is a pathetic excuse for the REAL law that addressed and solved the problem, Glass-Steagel.

No wonder they got rid of it.

 

[ttystikk]

In a system built on the transfer of money, nothing speaks louder.

Don't like Chik-fil-a? make a statement by eating at Popeye's.

Don't like how Wal-mart treats it's employees? Shop at the local mom and pops.

If we are going to remain a capital driven society, and no matter how distasteful we find it we are not leaving it, money speaks as loud and clear as anything.

I'm not a fan of "he who spends the most wins", but I need help from fellow voters to stop making this true.

Have you noticed how campaign ads have grown progressively more negative? Do you know why? study after study shows it works.

So unfortunately, if you want to win an election, you have to outspend and completely bash and discredit your opponent. We have reached that inevitable conclusion of our two party system where we vote against someone instead of for someone.

Money is the least of our problems. The two party "vote for the lesser evil" mentality is much more of a problem.

No. Money in politics IS the problem, and your convoluted misdiagnosis only serves to drive the point home.

 

[ginwilly]

No. Money in politics IS the problem, and your convoluted misdiagnosis only serves to drive the point home.

money is A problem, not THE problem.

My convoluted misdiagnosis not withstanding...

We also bitch about pork spending in massive bills but complain if our representative doesn't get US some.

If I had to say what THE problem was, it wouldn't be money, it would be the general apathy of my fellow citizens along with just enough gullibility that we believe what we are told.

Ever read one of the healthcare threads here? Holy cow! It's somewhere between the magic bill that drops costs and makes sure everyone is taken care of to the end of our economy and freedom as we know it.

 

[Red1966]

i don't know which is more disturbing.

you undressing a doll and posting; or the 5 times it was viewed full screen.

Didn't undress shit. Got it from Ebay. Did you print the full screen photo or use it for your desktop background?

 

[ttystikk]

money is A problem, not THE problem.

My convoluted misdiagnosis not withstanding...

We also bitch about pork spending in massive bills but complain if our representative doesn't get US some.

If I had to say what THE problem was, it wouldn't be money, it would be the general apathy of my fellow citizens along with just enough gullibility that we believe what we are told.

Ever read one of the healthcare threads here? Holy cow! It's somewhere between the magic bill that drops costs and makes sure everyone is taken care of to the end of our economy and freedom as we know it.

I bitch about pork barrel politics every time I get the chance- because that's yet another congressional scam cooked up to do shit without getting approval of their constituency.

So far, we've seen that money corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely- these two maxims explain the American political scene quite well.

So, since it hasn't been tried yet, let's throw every fucking penny of private money beyond a universally accessible amount, say ten bucks, OUT of politics, on pain of criminal penalty and JAIL.

TRY IT FOR A FEW DECADES AND SEE IF THE COUNTRY IMPROVES.

 

[desert dude]

In my opinion, THE problem is that politicians have so much influence to sell. Adhering to the constitution and having a weak federal government would limit the problem; give them less to sell.

Nothing will SOLVE the problem though, because human beings are inherently corrupt.

 

[ttystikk]

In my opinion, THE problem is that politicians have so much influence to sell. Adhering to the constitution and having a weak federal government would limit the problem; give them less to sell.

Nothing will SOLVE the problem though, because human beings are inherently corrupt.

I refute your assertion that all humans are inherently corrupt- there is a dramatic amount of evidence to the contrary.

Thanks for telling me about your own moral compass tho, cuz now I know better than to trust your word.

 

[Red1966]

I think the vast majority who are against the ruling are against it because they are told to be.

Sky was/is against the Dodd/Frank amendment, but has no clue at all what it is. Lets see if she even bothered to look it up..............

 

[ginwilly]

I bitch about pork barrel politics every time I get the chance- because that's yet another congressional scam cooked up to do shit without getting approval of their constituency.

So far, we've seen that money corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely- these two maxims explain the American political scene quite well.

So, since it hasn't been tried yet, let's throw every fucking penny of private money beyond a universally accessible amount, say ten bucks, OUT of politics, on pain of criminal penalty and JAIL.

TRY IT FOR A FEW DECADES AND SEE IF THE COUNTRY IMPROVES.

Sounds good, but you can limit donations to 10 bucks and get a billion 10 dollar donations, same difference. New technology makes this not only possible, but probable.

I'm with you that money is a problem. I just don't think we can wave a magic wand and make it go away. It's always been a problem, our railroad history is proof of this, as is our FDA with Heinz and Monsanto, our EPA and their ever increasing power.

Call it bribery instead of campaign contributions and lock the crooks up is a great start. Who in congress is going to cut their own fortunes? Insider trading is the norm in DC yet gets people like Martha Stewart time.

Transparency is the first step. Let us see where the money comes from, then we can make informed decisions (not that we would, but it makes it possible).

 

[ginwilly]

I refute your assertion that all humans are inherently corrupt- there is a dramatic amount of evidence to the contrary.

Thanks for telling me about your own moral compass tho, cuz now I know better than to trust your word.

I think all humans have the capacity for corruption. Or the ones who are incorruptible are out doing missionary work and charity and not interested in politics.

Our system draws people who desire the job to rule over others. Very rarely do we get reluctant representatives. So to be a politician you have to; 1) want to rule over others 2)have an ego large enough to think you deserve to rule over others

That's not really a recipe for finding altruistic representation.


We are all starting to agree the system needs tweaking (or blowing up) so there really is hope.

 

[ttystikk]

Sounds good, but you can limit donations to 10 bucks and get a billion 10 dollar donations, same difference. New technology makes this not only possible, but probable.

I'm with you that money is a problem. I just don't think we can wave a magic wand and make it go away. It's always been a problem, our railroad history is proof of this, as is our FDA with Heinz and Monsanto, our EPA and their ever increasing power.

Call it bribery instead of campaign contributions and lock the crooks up is a great start. Who in congress is going to cut their own fortunes? Insider trading is the norm in DC yet gets people like Martha Stewart time.

Transparency is the first step. Let us see where the money comes from, then we can make informed decisions (not that we would, but it makes it possible).

The maximum in the campaign would be ten dollars times every citizen over 18, or closer to two billion dollars possible. Not likely.

Outlaw the offering or acceptance of any money that does not come from a living, breathing US citizen up to ten dollars as opposed to merely an anonymous bank account, non profits, corporation, unions or any other organization.

 

[ttystikk]

I think all humans have the capacity for corruption. Or the ones who are incorruptible are out doing missionary work and charity and not interested in politics.

Our system draws people who desire the job to rule over others. Very rarely do we get reluctant representatives. So to be a politician you have to; 1) want to rule over others 2)have an ego large enough to think you deserve to rule over others

That's not really a recipe for finding altruistic representation.


We are all starting to agree the system needs tweaking (or blowing up) so there really is hope.

I didn't say anything about being corruptible, I said humans don't generally start out that way.

 

[ttystikk]

Agreed. When the left and right wingers find themselves on the same side, change is coming.

I just hope it's the kind we want, there are no guarantees.

 

[ginwilly]

The maximum in the campaign would be ten dollars times every citizen over 18, or closer to two billion dollars possible. Not likely.

Outlaw the offering or acceptance of any money that does not come from a living, breathing US citizen up to ten dollars as opposed to merely an anonymous bank account, non profits, corporation, unions or any other organization.

Donations over the internet by pre-paid visas would also have to become illegal. This might be a hardship for those who legitimately want to give 10 bucks but have no other method.

Playing devil's advocate btw. I'm still with you, I'm just poking holes so we can refine our position and save the world