BHO blasting and winterising. Help may be needed lol.

jondamon

jondamon

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Hey guys and girls.

Hoping for some of the CE CONTRIBUTORS regulars to chime in and anyone else with knowledge of the subject.

I have a borosilicate tube that holds approx 20-28g (unsure just yet as I havent filled it)

I also have
PYREX jug,
2 pyrex dishes (1large 1 smaller)
Some unbleached coffee filters, temp probe, razor blades, ISO 99% pharma grade, and all important 4x300ml cans of NEAR ZERO IMPURITIES BUTANE.

My plan is to follow WOODYOILMAKERSold BHO and winterising technique video on YouTube that someone reposted but using ISO as ethanol or grain alcohol is very hard to come by in the UK.

In a nutshell.

Pack tube.
Add filters.
Blast into pyrex jug.

Add jug into warm water bath and wait until most of the butane has boiled off.

Add about the same measure of butane left in ISO.

Pour slowly, wait for reaction and bubbling to stop.

Mix well and freeze for at least 12 hours( will most likely be at least 24 as I have kids here during the day)

Freeze filters and initial collection vessels.

Take out the mix and stir well.

Pour a small amount into each collection vessel and set back into freezer to filter through.

Prep some hot water on a stove top to 175F.

Add Pyrex dish ontop once water is stable at 175F.

Put each pour one at a time into the Pyrex.

Wait for evap.

Continue heating until oil beads.

Scrape the beads flat and continue to heat for around 25mins.

Then scrape up the oil.


Basically this is supposed to make a shatter style concentrate.

I'm turning any concentrates I make into THC VAPE juice.

So far I've successfully ran straight QWISO into PG and into PEG400.

Just looking for another alternative than just the QWISO and seeing as I have the relevant equipment to make it I thought I would give it a go at some point over the festivities.

Merry Christmas to one and all.


J
 
Carolina Dream'n

Carolina Dream'n

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Look for a Büchner funnel for winterizing. Allows you to use smaller micron filters than a coffee filter, plus you won't loose any yield to your filter.
 
jondamon

jondamon

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Carolina Dream'n said:
Look for a Büchner funnel for winterizing. Allows you to use smaller micron filters than a coffee filter, plus you won't loose any yield to your filter.
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Yeah that's not happening.

I'm working with items I've already got but thanks for the tip.

I'll check after the holidays to see if I can aquire any.



J
 
lio lacidem

lio lacidem

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Shouldnt be using butane without a vac at all. Youare using a very outdated tech man. In my opinion if your not going to use proper equipment dont bother making oil just be a custy and buy it. To many uneducated people with wrong equip making concentrates it makes all concentrate makers look bad
 
GhostBud420

GhostBud420

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lio lacidem said:
Shouldnt be using butane without a vac at all. Youare using a very outdated tech man.
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I dont understand what your saying exactly… He shouldn't be using butane without a vac?? No offense.. but thats like saying you shouldn't blast butane into material without distilling it first. We all have different steps in our process.

The tech to do this right costs about 5k also.. and i think we can all agree thats a lot of money.
 
lio lacidem

lio lacidem

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GhostBud420 said:
I dont understand what your saying exactly… He shouldn't be using butane without a vac?? No offense.. but thats like saying you shouldn't blast butane into material without distilling it first. We all have different steps in our process.

The tech to do this right costs about 5k also.. and i think we can all agree thats a lot of money.
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Having proper equipment to remove residual solvent
GhostBud420 said:
I dont understand what your saying exactly… He shouldn't be using butane without a vac?? No offense.. but thats like saying you shouldn't blast butane into material without distilling it first. We all have different steps in our process.

The tech to do this right costs about 5k also.. and i think we can all agree thats a lot of money.
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what is there not to understand? Without a vac pump and chamber or vac oven you can not remove all the residual solvent. Its one thing to have a different tech its a whole other to not have proper equpment. Like I said thats the problem with oil too many people
Making unproper oil and selling crap and too many people thinking anyone can do this and then blowing up . Either do it right and do it safe or just dont do it
 
jondamon

jondamon

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lio lacidem said:
Having proper equipment to remove residual solvent

what is there not to understand? Without a vac pump and chamber or vac oven you can not remove all the residual solvent. Its one thing to have a different tech its a whole other to not have proper equpment. Like I said thats the problem with oil too many people
Making unproper oil and selling crap and too many people thinking anyone can do this and then blowing up . Either do it right and do it safe or just dont do it
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I thought the use of the ISO purged any left over butane out of the BHO due to reactions that seemingly take place within the mixture while its left to settle.

I've read information that talks about heat purging BHO but many feel there are residuals left over in the oil from the butane.

I thought winterizing helped purge the residuals to make a cleaner end product.

Have you winterised BHO before?

For the sake of a 20g nug run as a test case, you're saying I should lay down £400-1000 on a Vac purge oven or chamber etc. this shit costs serious money in the UK. They aren't as many available sources for these things and you can't buy a kit for less than about £250 second hand.


And for the record. I'm a personal grower. I don't sell anything I grow/make.



J
 
jondamon

jondamon

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lio lacidem said:
Why not do qwiso or other alcohol run? Without having a vac id forget butane.
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Done QWISO successfully and it works for THC VAPE JUICE.

Winterised BHO is supposed to be tastey.

WOODYOILMAKERs vid on YouTube creates a shatter style concentrate and in the vid it's mentioned that the alcohol purges the residual butane.

There are also a plethora of threads where people talk about using alcohol with BHO to clean any residual butane out as it doesn't require a vac.

What you're suggesting is that any form of BHO made concentrate will still contain butane if it hasn't been purged in a vac chamber/oven.

But that's just not what I'm seeing when I research.

Even if I did vac purge my BHO id still have to winterize it to remove the lipids and fats/waxes etc as I don't want them clogging my wicks in my clearomizer.

Unless you can point me in the direction of research about left over butane in Winterized BHO then I just don't see how it can be.



J
 
Twitch

Twitch

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how much are you running?

do not do any of the hot water baths at 175 do them at 100

at one point he stirs the solution do not do that. Also for this step put your cups and filters in the freezer as well you want everything to be below freezing, and when you do your pours do them in the freezer.

once again he using 175 hot bath I think that high is unneeded I would do a 100 degrees and have a fan blowing over it.

just my 2cents
 
jondamon

jondamon

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Twitch. said:
how much are you running?

do not do any of the hot water baths at 175 do them at 100

at one point he stirs the solution do not do that. Also for this step put your cups and filters in the freezer as well you want everything to be below freezing, and when you do your pours do them in the freezer.

once again he using 175 hot bath I think that high is unneeded I would do a 100 degrees and have a fan blowing over it.

just my 2cents
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I'm only going to run around 20-28g of nugs.

I was planning on freezing vessels and filters etc.




J
 
Twitch

Twitch

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you will not need nearly as much iso as he used...a half cup for 4 to 7 grams should be plenty
 
jondamon

jondamon

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Twitch. said:
you will not need nearly as much iso as he used...a half cup for 4 to 7 grams should be plenty
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Not 2Litres like I've got in the cupboard just Incase lol.

Thanks Twitch for clearing that up.


Should I freeze my NUGS in the tube prior to blasting?

Should I grind up the nugs or chop initially and second run the same nugs once ground up?


J
 
jondamon

jondamon

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Twitch. said:
how much are you running?

do not do any of the hot water baths at 175 do them at 100
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Just to confirm.

Woody has water in a pan that's at 175F the pyrex doesn't sit in the water just on top of the pan.

Should I still aim for 100F you think?

Also about stirring the solution.

I shouldn't do this because the fats and waxes should have been pretty much deposited on the bottom of the jug already and stirring them will cause them to go back into the solution.

Is that correct?




J
 
GhostBud420

GhostBud420

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Why not just grind them up the first run? do you plan on freezing the second solvent and running it through a filter to dewax?.. If so i would run it all ground up because anything that is not THC will be solidified in the freezer then caught by a filter during the second filter process.
 
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