Need help please!! :(

Bane28775

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Hiya guys, have a big bud x white widow just started in soil and has come out quite yellow? Is general purpose soil with no nutes and have had amazing results out of this set up and was wondering what peoples opinions were. Light is a 300w dual spectrum cfl with a few 20w cfl side lights but main bulb is a year old. Would that affect it or is it just this strain? Help please!!! :(
 

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Glaucoma

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It's prolly hungry. If you've used the same soil before with good results, then it's probably your PH.
 

Bane28775

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Light was about 3 inches away and have used soil before but this is new outta the bag. Have had four crops under same set up and same routine over last year or so so thought bulb might need replacing?
 

Glaucoma

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soil grow at day 10ish. this shouldn't need food and i doubt lock out has set in yet lol.
Of course seedlings need food. They might not need much, but they do need something. The energy in a seed is only enough to sprout. Unless the soil is used, there should be nutrients in it. If the plant isn't feeding on them, PH is the first thing to check.

I start out in a 1:1 mix of used and fresh soil so they don't get burned.
 

Alienwidow

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well this is soil fresh outta the bag so like i said, theres no need for any additional food and i doubt the fresh outta the bag soil is going to be off enough for the ph to be fucked. cummon glaucoma, wake up.
you may have too much light for the seedling. 340 watts at 3three inches away from a two inch plant seems like a lot to me.
 

weedenhanced

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Hiya guys, have a big bud x white widow just started in soil and has come out quite yellow? Is general purpose soil with no nutes and have had amazing results out of this set up and was wondering what peoples opinions were. Light is a 300w dual spectrum cfl with a few 20w cfl side lights but main bulb is a year old. Would that affect it or is it just this strain? Help please!!! :(
Looks fine man
 

weedenhanced

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Of course seedlings need food. They might not need much, but they do need something. The energy in a seed is only enough to sprout. Unless the soil is used, there should be nutrients in it. If the plant isn't feeding on them, PH is the first thing to check.

I start out in a 1:1 mix of used and fresh soil so they don't get burned.
I never feed seedlings anything first 2 weeks
And it's plain soil he don't need cheak the ph it's not dwc
 

Heygurlll

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Its fine. Slight Soil Compaction and overwatering. Soil compaction happens even when it seems like it shouldn't, trust me. Mostly just let the pot dry.
I'd personally start over and use 2 bags (mg) perlite 32 qt total for every 60-90qts of subpar soil. Id start all seedlings in a 1-2 gallon pots. That soil looks poor.
You'll wanna transplant on day 13 or day 29 on into final pot if you use the perlite. Careful as soil does like to fall apart. I noticed easier transplant when the soil was considerably moist.
The common alternatives are vermiculite, peat moss, coco coir, wood chips in small amounts and with other things like EWC, or even lava rocks.

Of course seedlings need food. They might not need much, but they do need something. The energy in a seed is only enough to sprout. Unless the soil is used, there should be nutrients in it. If the plant isn't feeding on them, PH is the first thing to check.
Not to be rude, but there is a number of things wrong with that statement. The cotyledons will feed a healthy plant for up to 4 weeks. The plant relies heavily on them for the first 7-14 days. And while pH locks nutes out, it would also kill a seedling or at the very least severely disfigure it. This plant is just too wet. Thats why it looks pale.


Anyways expanding on what i was saying,
My current runs roots (4 bulb t5 in a really cold room) reached the bottom and proliferated substantially within 2 weeks. They are 18 days old on 15/9 and now 14/10. They are only 2.5-3" tall, but the roots are about 10-12" deep. And the first 7-8 days were in a 5 oz solo cup. Their stems are almost as fat as a pencil. Did i mention I started with a bag of stay green garden soil. Not potting mix. Garden soil. Its worse than any real potting mix, mg organic included. I'd rate it a 3/10 as a soil, but with the perlite its 7/10.

This reinforced my understanding. Any bag of brand name potting mix can grow huge healthy plants (lbs) with a basic amendment recipe (listed below), as long as grow room and grower are permitting. It can be over the top for some people though. All of this IS NOT NECESSARY. But I highly recommend it.


What you'll want to fix 3cu ft of shitty bagged soil. Works on good soils and can be used on 2cu ft bags as well.
(in order or importance)
25-40 qts perlite (aerates the soil, promotes drainage, prevents over watering to a degree, increases total volume, will cost about $10)
4-10 cups ewc (adds microbials and micronutrients, another anti compaction ingredient, and plants just love them, may need to buy online about $10)
1-2 cups garden epsom salts (mag def/bud rot prevention about $4)
1 cup limestone powder (ph adjuster, $5)
Diatomaceous earth (pest control, most effective imo that is a soil amendment, will stop the inevitable fungus gnats or soil mites before they start, may need to buy online, about $10)

1-2 cups neem oil or neem seed meal (insect hormone disruptor, form of repellant, common but may need to buy online)
1 cup insect frass (insect shit for natural plant immunities, may need to buy online)
1/2-1 1/2 cups crab meal (another insect repellant/immunity booster, may need to buy online)

The rest of the my shopping list usually goes:
almost any plant tea (like stump tea)
rather weak veg nutes of a formulation to my standards, used sparingly
whatever the highest quality (imo) formulation of bloom fert being carried at wherever i'm shopping
micros if they aren't in the fert or tea


I know this is probably sounding over the top, but this recipe almost always makes some past decent soil, a little hot, but veg plants always take off. I hardly feed till bloom, and get very nice returns. The plants root and yield like hempy, but you have the soil as a ph buffer.
If you buy the amendments, there should be enough of each for at least 6 cu ft, meaning 6 8 gallon pots. With your lights thats 3 grows at 8-12oz a run to an average grower, probably closer to 15 ozs if you have talent. IMO, Well worth $40 on amendments, $10 on soil, and $20-40 on nutes.

Sorry, it kinda feels like im thread jacking, i'm a little medicated, but this is my advice. IMO this impoves any amatuer soil grow by about 3 levels and often even increases yield.
But yea sorry for the long and probably 95% unnecessary post.
Anyways,
Peace out girl scouts.
 

weedenhanced

Well-Known Member
Hiya guys, have a big bud x white widow just started in soil and has come out quite yellow? Is general purpose soil with no nutes and have had amazing results out of this set up and was wondering what peoples opinions were. Light is a 300w dual spectrum cfl with a few 20w cfl side lights but main bulb is a year old. Would that affect it or is it just this strain? Help please!!! :(
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2 day old seedling under. 400w mh bulb dimmed to 200
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Same plant 2 weeks later just starting on a small nut dose half str
 

Bane28775

Active Member
Have never used nutes and always had good results before with this light/set up, will maybe back the light off a bit?
 

weedenhanced

Well-Known Member
Its fine. Slight Soil Compaction and overwatering. Soil compaction happens even when it seems like it shouldn't, trust me. Mostly just let the pot dry.
I'd personally start over and use 2 bags (mg) perlite 32 qt total for every 60-90qts of subpar soil. Id start all seedlings in a 1-2 gallon pots. That soil looks poor.
You'll wanna transplant on day 13 or day 29 on into final pot if you use the perlite. Careful as soil does like to fall apart. I noticed easier transplant when the soil was considerably moist.
The common alternatives are vermiculite, peat moss, coco coir, wood chips in small amounts and with other things like EWC, or even lava rocks.


Not to be rude, but there is a number of things wrong with that statement. The cotyledons will feed a healthy plant for up to 4 weeks. The plant relies heavily on them for the first 7-14 days. And while pH locks nutes out, it would also kill a seedling or at the very least severely disfigure it. This plant is just too wet. Thats why it looks pale.


Anyways expanding on what i was saying,
My current runs roots (4 bulb t5 in a really cold room) reached the bottom and proliferated substantially within 2 weeks. They are 18 days old on 15/9 and now 14/10. They are only 2.5-3" tall, but the roots are about 10-12" deep. And the first 7-8 days were in a 5 oz solo cup. Their stems are almost as fat as a pencil. Did i mention I started with a bag of stay green garden soil. Not potting mix. Garden soil. Its worse than any real potting mix, mg organic included. I'd rate it a 3/10 as a soil, but with the perlite its 7/10.

This reinforced my understanding. Any bag of brand name potting mix can grow huge healthy plants (lbs) with a basic amendment recipe (listed below), as long as grow room and grower are permitting. It can be over the top for some people though. All of this IS NOT NECESSARY. But I highly recommend it.


What you'll want to fix 3cu ft of shitty bagged soil. Works on good soils and can be used on 2cu ft bags as well.
(in order or importance)
25-40 qts perlite (aerates the soil, promotes drainage, prevents over watering to a degree, increases total volume, will cost about $10)
4-10 cups ewc (adds microbials and micronutrients, another anti compaction ingredient, and plants just love them, may need to buy online about $10)
1-2 cups garden epsom salts (mag def/bud rot prevention about $4)
1 cup limestone powder (ph adjuster, $5)
Diatomaceous earth (pest control, most effective imo that is a soil amendment, will stop the inevitable fungus gnats or soil mites before they start, may need to buy online, about $10)

1-2 cups neem oil or neem seed meal (insect hormone disruptor, form of repellant, common but may need to buy online)
1 cup insect frass (insect shit for natural plant immunities, may need to buy online)
1/2-1 1/2 cups crab meal (another insect repellant/immunity booster, may need to buy online)

The rest of the my shopping list usually goes:
almost any plant tea (like stump tea)
rather weak veg nutes of a formulation to my standards, used sparingly
whatever the highest quality (imo) formulation of bloom fert being carried at wherever i'm shopping
micros if they aren't in the fert or tea


I know this is probably sounding over the top, but this recipe almost always makes some past decent soil, a little hot, but veg plants always take off. I hardly feed till bloom, and get very nice returns. The plants root and yield like hempy, but you have the soil as a ph buffer.
If you buy the amendments, there should be enough of each for at least 6 cu ft, meaning 6 8 gallon pots. With your lights thats 3 grows at 8-12oz a run to an average grower, probably closer to 15 ozs if you have talent. IMO, Well worth $40 on amendments, $10 on soil, and $20-40 on nutes.

Sorry, it kinda feels like im thread jacking, i'm a little medicated, but this is my advice. IMO this impoves any amatuer soil grow by about 3 levels and often even increases yield.
But yea sorry for the long and probably 95% unnecessary post.
Anyways,
Peace out girl scouts.
Fcking he'll that's a lot to read after smoking my fresh bubble fck me dead lol
But I agree
I use normal premium soil no nuts and 50/50 soil/perlite mix
I use dutchmasters gold range nuts mixing from week 2 to 4 2.5 ml per litre in a res with a air stone after 4 weeks I switch to full str nuts 5ml per litre
Then I switch to dutchmasters gold flower
When 12/12
Never had a problem
I don't ph water
Tho a few times during flower I will flood pots with about 20 litres of normal water let pot completely rdy say 4 to 5 days no water then back to normal nuts
When but get nice and cotton ball looking I add 10 ml of canna pk to res till next flood
I flood and let dry 3 times during flower
 

Heygurlll

Active Member
Fcking he'll that's a lot to read after smoking my fresh bubble fck me dead lol
But I agree
I use normal premium soil no nuts and 50/50 soil/perlite mix
I use dutchmasters gold range nuts mixing from week 2 to 4 2.5 ml per litre in a res with a air stone after 4 weeks I switch to full str nuts 5ml per litre
Then I switch to dutchmasters gold flower
When 12/12
Never had a problem
I don't ph water
Tho a few times during flower I will flood pots with about 20 litres of normal water let pot completely rdy say 4 to 5 days no water then back to normal nuts
When but get nice and cotton ball looking I add 10 ml of canna pk to res till next flood
I flood and let dry 3 times during flower
That soil made me smile even wider!
 

Alienwidow

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could be genetics, grower error, shitty start, bad seed, who knows, but it looks like it will grow out of it. you sound like you know what your doing. i have a bean thats only one inch tall after two and a half weeks. it took almost two weeks for it to sprout the first set of leaves. it stalled after the tap root came out at a half inch and then i had to crack the shell off after a week. i refuse to let it die, its tiny and pathetic but I'm not giving up on it, and I'm sure that once it takes hold it'll be off to the races too. it just took the short bus to get there ;)
 

Heygurlll

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Lol, will lay off the watering for a bit, not growing slow tho just quite yellow :/
tbh didnt notice any yellow, color is fine and should darken in the next 4-5 days, but the plant is a node or 2 less developed than mine were 8 days ago (well the ones i bothered to put in the bigger pots, the ones i had in 5oz solo cups looked like yours. I have 14 seedlings and only 11 pots lol. Oh.... Wanna buy 100 regular seeds of unknown but good genetics? about 65 of them came from plants with genetics from the 70s ? lol jk i dont like prison)
Anyways i suggest when you size up at the very least add a $5 bag of perlite to the mix and put the plant in a $0.50 walmart bag.
 
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