is live resin oil just fresh frozen?
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SnapsProvolone
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Read up on QWET although you've missed out on the Q
Fadedawg
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Extracting fresh frozen material using a polar solvent like ethanol, requires greater attention to details, but can produce an excellent extract if you follow QWET techniques.
It will have good floral undertones, but not as floral as a frozen BHO extraction, because of the greater difficulty in holding on to the monoterpenes during purging, due to their higher boiling points.
That is good news. I'm going to attempt my first ever extraction in two weeks. No Everclear till then, payday thing. I will be posting pics. And accepting constructive criticism.lucky duexcharm
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Swim says cell wall damage occurs when grinding exposing cell innards to nonpolar portion of solvent. Numbers may be 32.5 ml per 1000ml butane. Slow freeze creates large crystals which also rupture cell walls. Blast chilling freezes faster with smaller crystals rupturing fewer cell walls. Shock freezing is colder, faster, rupturing even fewer cells. Cryo freezing even smaller crystals. When plants dry terpenes are lost. I might have heard some terps are alcohols, esthers, etc.. could it be tying up water in crystalline form at critical moment allows these other terps to occupy the nonpolar portion of butane? Who knows, not I said the duck.
lucky duexcharm
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Freeze numbers could be: blast chill -18 f, shock freeze -30 f, cryo freeze -153 f, liquid nitrogen -173 f. There is an important time factor involved in reaching these temps. Instant is what I would guess a person may want to achieve. Of course you must realize I am semi illiterate so listen to the professionals instead.
SnapsProvolone
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One might be able to obtain the effects of a grind at liquid nitrogen temperatures, simply by shattering the fresh frozen materials.
lucky duexcharm
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My thoughts exactly friend. Maybe causing all breakage at interstices instead of through cell walls. Instant fine grind no cellular degradation total terpene profile going into column . Idea on material for column to withstand cryo temp soak without brittling? This is of course conjuring and spell weaving not real scientific knowledge. Please treat as such
BluJayz
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I do find live resin quite tasty as well. I especially like to take some lower nugs while young. Produces a more "aware" high and quickly becomes a crowd favorite.
My favorite type is waxy.
However I still prefer to at-least dry 70% or more before using. It provides a more realistic percentage and more justifiable cost and still quite tasty.
Also freezing everything gives you the effect of a sub-winterization. So ethanol is usually not needed after deep freeze of material and solvent.
Frozen cans are also more efficient ending up in less overall needed.
My favorite type is waxy.
However I still prefer to at-least dry 70% or more before using. It provides a more realistic percentage and more justifiable cost and still quite tasty.
Also freezing everything gives you the effect of a sub-winterization. So ethanol is usually not needed after deep freeze of material and solvent.
Frozen cans are also more efficient ending up in less overall needed.
Its not the best idea to "work" your concentrate. It traps butane and coagulates the lipids giving you a instant wax that can be harder to purge.
oilmkr420
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On material that is fully cured exists a moisture content about 8-10%. That is undesired for myself so I decarboxylate prior to extraction, then baby the extract w low temp under reduced pressure in vacuum oven. If I were to take a fresh living plant, the moisture content is just not going to produce the best product.
Chlorophyll is polar and bonded to water. It does not get extracted into solution with non polar butane unless you're fucking something up and pulling water out in your process. As for live resin, it's the real deal. Very easy to produce and the flavors are incredible. The reason is that large quantities of terpene are lost during the drying process. I'd be cautious about bashing tech that you're unfamiliar with or you just end up having to eat your words. Many extracts perform cryogenic or flash freezing because it doesn't disrupt cell walls when ice crystals form, This keeping water and chlorophyll out of the extraction. Twitch, if you're drying your material, no need to freeze it for a solvent extraction. We're not breaking gland heads off like bubble hash, We're dissolving them into solution ads freezing may actually be damaging your material and causing you to lose truthiness that you'd rather be dissolving. Just my knowledge of chemistry. Feel free to hit me with questions. Peace.
Twitch
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all the live resin i have gotten from dispensaries to wash has yielded copious amounts of fats waxes and lipids, also the chlorophyll maybe water soluble and not share a similar polarity but the fats waxes and lipids that are white sure are soluble in butane unless it is really cold....
George beyloune
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Ive done a test 83.4 % toral cannibidoil no butane was detacted but some ethanol was, a slight wip after scrape from winterization will clear the rest out
cannakis
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cannakis
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Boom! Love this! And I definitely wound up eating my words! Haha ordered a Master case of tane the other day... Haha and I thought I would never use butane... Never say never right.!
Great information I thought it was nice when I froze everything... Like that I did Not need to winterize... And I didn't thank GOD!
Beautiful Charris!!
lio lacidem
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Reread It he says isnt live resin the closest thing to charas. Its still 2 totally different things. Makes it alot easier to understand what people are talking about and help them if terminology is used properly