ChesusRice
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NOt even if I was coerced by the threat of force
Affordable?
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londonfog
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??? who won't let him leave ??
UncleBuck
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then why did we all have a good laugh about it while getting high later that night on the driving range?
UncleBuck
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they must have caught wind of your meth addiction.
premiums grew about 4% nationwide this year, which is slower than they have grown in the 20 years before obamacare.
Rob Roy
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Let's examine your post Poopy Pants.
First you suppose that I know what all libertarians think. I don't view people in a collective like you do. I see them as individuals, all capable of holding their own view point. Don't you? So, I can't tell you what all libertarians think. I imagine, that many would agree with me, that a person can recognize some deviant behavior is voluntary and some is involuntary. Logic insists that neither of those reveal an endorsement of such behavior. More information would be needed to make that conclusion wouldn't it?
Also, you've repeatedly ignored that you (as a youngster lil Bucky) were the butt of the original post and the person that made the voluntary agreement in the hypothetical situation I described.
I believe you as an individual have demonstrated deviant behavior, floor shitting, consistent irrationality, and a propensity for insulting others that haven't insulted you, so it's not a great leap to imagine you could behave in a voluntary fashion in other deviant ways I don't approve of.
I think the question is, what is voluntary behavior? Didn't you voluntarily shit on a floor, or did the bad man make you do it ?
Also weren't you 17 when you did the nasty floor? Were you a child incapable of knowing that was a shitty thing to do? No, you VOLUNTARILY dropped a pungent poopy. Who knows what other voluntary deviant behavior you may have engaged in as a child....
Rob Roy
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Are you agreeing or disagreeing that force is the primary mode of operation of a coercive government, like the one the USA has?
Answer that, and I'll engage your other questions.
nitro harley
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Buck.
Maybe you can redo your math on health care and not count the people that pay after subsidies and the free shit. Mine went up as you know because I posted it so you can read it by about 20%. That 4% that you keep posting is a bunch of BS.
i do have a bone to pick with the insurance companies.
the same gold policy which was supposed to be a $34 increase turned into $77 when i received renewal..i'm not sticking with..but damn! that's the insurance company..not the ACA!
the way this works with subsidies is, that they get fed auto until you change..so if you don't..and don't pay your premiums? they get to keep the free cash and you receive no benefits.
this new outrage only parallels the outrage of insurance companies "tagging" you as an ACA client (which a insurance company employee told me in secrecy) over private insurance which, i'm gonna say without even looking, is a discriminatory practice.
You're picking the "bone" with the wrong group. The time to have done that has long passed.
The insurance companies are the middle men. Subsidies are based on income level. Read the O-mans policy re gold and platinum plans. Read the O-mans statement on funding for this program.
You're correct; the providers have an incentive to jam all subsidized recipients into a silver plan or lower. Even the gold plans for the subsidized are going to cost. Read Obama's plan.
The ACA sets policy. The free stuff is the low level crap .... it's in the ACA. You just don't realize it.
As I told you before, somebody has to pay for the stuff others get for free. It's Uncles favorite policy at work .... reeeee-distribution.
Sorry your cost went up ... mine went over 4x of yours. Not to mention the other taxes yet to come.
you gonna discuss re-distribution when the likes of drama and ginwilly are cleary okay with fucking over the middle class? when law is intro'd and it's just "$100k penalties as the cost of doing business" (to retain wealth).."you" (penalties) middle class.."friend's cash business gets away with what he can"..as long as we have this mindset fighting against?
ginwilly
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Your assumptions about me aren't based in fact. I'm not OK with fucking over the middle class, in fact I'm against it. The ACA fucks over the middle class but you are for it.
The middle class was doing just fine. It was the lower class working poor that were in trouble. Subsidies are on the backs of the middle class, not for them. The insurance issues were very real and was going to take backbone to address. The ACA did NOT address those issues (other than pre-existing, that shouldn't have taken thousands of pages) and was a payoff to those companies you hate, corporate hospitals, insurance cartels and Big Pharma. Payoffs in the form of increased taxes and costs to the middle class, those that don't qualify for "free shit". Well done!
And of course Obamacare recipients are classifies differently, it's not a secret either, it's in the damn bill. The IRS has access to your healthcare records by participating in the program, but by law, not those who don't participate. If they are not classified as such, how does this happen? It's the law silly.
its really a nasty ass, vicious cycle, isn't it?
AlecTheGardener
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Round n' round, only beneficiaries are the cronies. If I only had a few extra millions lying around to start a super PAC and make some political friends I too could live the perfect American Dream.
ginwilly
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It really is. It's a complicated issue that requires compromise to even address. Compromise weakens what needs to be done. Even though it passed strictly across party lines, they were compromises to even get that done.
This country was not just ready for insurance reform, we were demanding it. Dealing with insurance (gov insurance being the worst) is the worst part of doing my job, always has been, and now it always will be. Because we passed a half-assed "compromise" that only further entrenches the problem players power (say that 3 times real fast), the will to actually start from scratch is no longer there. What we'll end up doing is tweaking this piece of shit for eternity. It will be used by the whores in congress to their advantage, not ours.
My opinion, but the ACA was possibly the worst bill ever written because it prevents us from actually fixing what's wrong for decades. If we had done nothing and the bill had not passed, there would still the be public demand to fix the healthcare trinity, now we don't trust them.
You can read polls and see the public distrusts our government over healthcare. When asked, most people distrust another attempt to get it right. There are millions that prefer them to fix the shit they already signed instead of trusting them to pass a different piece of shit, that will most likely also need to be fixed into eternity.
londonfog
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I don't view my government as force. Please allow me to share with you some things I do appreciated that my government provides. I myself have always spent many many hours in the library. I can read tons of magazines, books, and newspaper. I truly think that type of shit kept me out of a lot of trouble in my youth. I still enjoy the library to this very day.
My first attempt at college was on a athletic scholarship, due to my foolishness and youth I lost that scholarship. I decided to join the USAF to help pay for school and to do something with my life. Turned out I made a career out of it,as well as finishing school and getting a home, motorcycle, cars, and provide for my family. My VA loan helped me obtain my second home quick and easy( claimed it as my primary residence
). When most people where just trying to figure out life, I was already doing it. I must credit USAF for my success ( as well as me doing the right things). None of this was done by FORCE. Now do I think my government has room to improve....HELL I would say plenty,but I also see wonderful things it provides.
Now I ask you once more. If you feel that all this government does is force you to do things against your will WTF do you stay.
did you happen to catch the happiness vid i posted?..it's 12 minutes but worth.
we'd all be a lot better off:
ginwilly
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It sounds like you served your country and your country rewarded you for doing so. That's respectable and commendable. The military is not for everyone. Personally I could never patronize our military industrial complex, I've never believed in it, that's just me though, I still thank you for your service.I don't view my government as force. Please allow me to share with you some things I do appreciated that my government provides. I myself have always spent many many hours in the library. I can read tons of magazines, books, and newspaper. I truly think that type of shit kept me out of a lot of trouble in my youth. I still enjoy the library to this very day.
My first attempt at college was on a athletic scholarship, due to my foolishness and youth I lost that scholarship. I decided to join the USAF to help pay for school and to do something with my life. Turned out I made a career out of it,as well as finishing school and getting a home, motorcycle, cars, and provide for my family. My VA loan helped me obtain my second home quick and easy( claimed it as my primary residence
I must credit USAF for my success ( as well as me doing the right things). None of this was done by FORCE. Now do I think my government has room to improve....HELL I would say plenty,but I also see wonderful things it provides.
Now I ask you once more. If you feel that all this government does is force you to do things against your will WTF do you stay.
Where you go off the tracks is thinking everyone is like you. To a great many people the government is a hindrance to their pursuit of happiness not a tool like it was for you. This doesn't make you a bad person for taking advantage or those who want to be left alone bad people. It's just a different take on life.
Those of us who want to limit government intrusion in our day to day lives are not extremists and racists, we are just people who say enough is enough. This doesn't mean we have to move if we don't like it, it just means we also have the right to that same pursuit you had, we just prefer a different avenue.
Why should Rob Roy have to move? Why can't he just try to make his world a better place one insightful post at a time? Why you can't you respect his wish to be left alone? Why can't he try to shape his world in his view of utopia? You both want to improve lots in life, for those that just want to be left alone, why do you view them as extremists?
There are two sayings that all societies should try to achieve. The golden rule that we all know and live and let live. If someone does something that has no effect on anyone but themselves, why should anyone else care? An over reaching government does not allow this to happen. See our drug war and our military actions as proof of what a big government is capable of.
londonfog
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The question was posed to Rob Roy not Captain Save A Hoe.
Damn Michigan St. about to be my first lost.
AlecTheGardener
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Interesting video. I realized my priorities in life during the first time I was shot at, friends and family, wealth has since been one of my lowest priorities. It really did change my outlook on life!
In the past when I was broke as hell and lived in a crummy apartment I didn't care, I had my spouse with me. As long as we have 'enough' to pay bills and feel comfortable that's what matters.
I never have understood anyone who actually decides they 'need' a yacht, more, more, more, etc.
My dream is to officially retire and live in a house with my wife and the animals in the woods, maybe Alaska. Big dream eh?