• Here is a link to the full explanation: https://rollitup.org/t/welcome-back-did-you-try-turning-it-off-and-on-again.1104810/

Affordable?

NLXSK1

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They seem to do it in the rest of the industrial world just fine
I thought I was on Ignore...

They dont do it anywhere just fine. It is a rationing system in most countries. People come here for medical care because they cant get it in their own countries. Canada is a great example of this.

It is not the responsibility of the government to redistribute wealth via the healthcare system yet that is what is happening here.
 

ChesusRice

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I thought I was on Ignore...

They dont do it anywhere just fine. It is a rationing system in most countries. People come here for medical care because they cant get it in their own countries. Canada is a great example of this.

It is not the responsibility of the government to redistribute wealth via the healthcare system yet that is what is happening here.
Well they seem to of rationed better health outcomes for the people that live there
Amazing isnt it?
And they come here for elective surgery

YOu really believe the welfare of a countries citizens is wealth redistribution?
 

NLXSK1

Well-Known Member
Well they seem to of rationed better health outcomes for the people that live there
Amazing isnt it?
And they come here for elective surgery

YOu really believe the welfare of a countries citizens is wealth redistribution?
Chesus, you are basing the question upon several false assumptions.

Before president Obama was in office, who was denied healthcare in this country? We did have universal care. It worked for most of the people.

Now the system has been turned upon it's head and made mandatory which is simply against the concept of freedom. It hasnt reformed anything, it has been a boon to insurance companies and forced doctors out of practice.

We were lied to about it and that is clear from Paul Krugman and we know that the president knew he was lying as well when he said you could keep your plan if you liked it, you could keep your doctor if you liked them, it wouldnt cost a *dime*, etc...

Forcing people to buy something whether it is for their own good or not is simply un-American.

Statistics lie Cheesy... Especially statistics created by government agencies to make those governments look good. Especially in countries that dont have freedom of speech. But hey, that shit only happens in America right?
 

nitro harley

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nitro,

premiums grew at 3.6% the last three years. they are projected to grow at 5.6% the next seven years.

that is lower than the 7.2% rate at which they grew for the twenty years before obamacare.

your personal experience does nothing to invalidate this. you are retarded.

regards,

buck
Buck.

My personal experience is a fact that you are full of BS. You are caught up in the democratic brain wash, pumping the BS about health care savings. There is no more savings it's gone. The state of florida rose 17% and mine and other people I know experienced the same increase so it looks like you are pumping a democratic lie hoping that the stupid democratic voters like your self would believe the BS you are spewing.

Its making you look like an idiot to the people that don't get the free shit or the big subsidies. How much did yours go up? or maybe you don't even have health care. That could be it , you are just a young dude that probably doesn't even give a shit because you don't pay tax's or buy health care. That is more than likely the truth.
 

Red1966

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yeah you just keep being "unsure" that Cheney made money off a war he helped start. You are evil. Have you always been this way or did life make you such
I'm evil? Really? You lie and cheat. You take joy in the death of children. You are in no position to moralize to anyone. You seem demand that others believe anything you say, yet provide no evidence what you say is true. Then when proven wrong, you call that person evil. Anyone who uses the death of children trying to win an argument is on a level that few can sink to.
 

Red1966

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The worst was. " Oh smoke alarms were not invented yet"
No, the worst was you claiming the death of my children was my fault for not owning a fire alarm when you don't have any idea that I didn't own a fire alarm. Really? Using the death of children to further your political agenda? How fucking low are you?
 

Red1966

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It's manufactured here and exported to other countries. Were it is sold for less. But we cannot reimport it here at the cheaper price thanks to Bush Et al

July 26, 2003|By Nick Anderson | Nick Anderson,LOS ANGELES TIMES
WASHINGTON - Despite the House's surprisingly easy passage early yesterday of a bill to let U.S. consumers buy lower-cost prescription drugs from other countries, the measure's opponents - including the Bush administration - seem to have built a solid bipartisan wall in the Senate to thwart it.
"a solid bipartisan wall in the Senate"
 

Rob Roy

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no, because no one is ever forced to open a business that serves the public.

declare victory now.
What happens if a person opens a business and runs it as if they and they alone own it? Is there force used then?
Why yes there is. When you chose to ignore some of the components in an equation, the answer you come up with is often the wrong one. Quite often, in your case.


Sometimes I wonder if you are only pretending to be as ignorant as you seem, then I remember the Wendys incident. Sad, very sad.
 

Rob Roy

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Healthcare is not like any other commodity
To treat it as such would mean only those with means would be able to have health care and the others would simply not.
A country is only as good as it's citizens are healthy. National Security relies on a healthy populace

I see that you have added intelligence and reason to your ignore list. Pity.
 

ChesusRice

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Typical. You have no response for his questions, so you call him stupid.
No, Two years. Elections come every two years, not every 76 days.
Here’s what really happened: Yes, in the 2008 election, Democrats managed to widen their majorities in both houses of Congress. In the 110th Congress that served from January 2007 through January 2009, Democrats held a 35 seat majority in the House and a single seat advantage in the Senate, which included “independent” Senators Bernie Sanders of Vermont and Joe Lieberman of Connecticut, both of whom caucused with the Democrats. The 2008 election saw that majority swell to 78 seats in the House and nine seats in the Senate.
How is that possible, you ask? Everybody says that the Democrats had a full filibuster-proof majority? The math doesn’t add up, you say. If there are 100 seats in the Senate, and Republicans, as of January 2009 had only 40 of them (technically the Republicans had 41 of them initially, but we’ll get to that), doesn’t that mean that the Democrats had the remaining 60, giving them the supermajority in the Senate?
No, not necessarily, because it was a very odd year in Congressional politics.
Remember that Minnesota Senatorial election in 2008? The one that pitted former SNL writer/cast member and Air America Radio host Al Franken against Republican incumbent Norm Coleman? That race dragged on forever, resulting in several challenges and recounts until the Minnesota Supreme Court finally concluded on June 30th, 2009, that Franken was indeed the winner. Franken wasn’t sworn into office until July 7th, 2009, a full six months after the 111th Congress had taken charge.
And it wasn’t even that easy. Even had Franken been seated at the beginning of the legislative session, the Democrats still would only have had a 59-41 seat edge. It wasn’t until late April of 2009 that Pennsylvania Senator Arlen Specter defected from the Republican Party to caucus with the Democrats. Without Franken, the Dems only had 58 votes.
But even that’s not entirely accurate, and the Dems didn’t have a consistent, reliable 58 votes. Massachusetts Senator Ted Kennedy was terminally ill with a brain tumor, and could only muster up the energy to vote on selected legislation. His presence could not be counted on, and thus his vote in the Senate could not be counted on. During the first year of the Obama presidency, due to his illness Kennedy missed 261 out of a possible 270 votes in the Senate, denying the Democrats the 60th vote necessary to break a filibuster. In March of 2009, he stopped voting altogether. It wasn’t until Kennedy passed away in late August, 2009, and an interim successor was named on September 24th, 2009, that the Democrats actually had 60 votes.
And even then the 60 vote supermajority was tenuous at best. At the time, then 91 year old Robert Byrd from West Virginia was in frail health. During the last 6 months of 2009, Byrd missed 128 of a possible 183 votes in the Senate. Byrd passed away on June 28, 2010 at the age of 92.
In all, Democrats had a shaky 60 vote supermajority for all of four months and one week; from the time Kennedy’s interim successor Paul Kirk was sworn in on September 24th until the time Republican Scott Brown was sworn in as Kennedy’s “permanent” replacement after his special election victory over Democratic disappointment, Massachusetts Attorney General Martha Coakley. In a state that is heavily Democratic, it seems that Coakley figured she didn’t have to actually campaign for the Senate seat; that Massachusetts voters would automatically elect the Democrat to replace the legendary Kennedy. No way Massachusetts would send a Republican to replace Ted Kennedy. Brown took the election seriously, Coakley did not, and Brown won (he will, however, lose this November to Elizabeth Warren, and all will be right with the world again).
 

Red1966

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YOu are as stupid as your buddy
Liars get called out
Stupid people repeat the same lies over and over
So elections "are held every 76 days" is a true statement? .....lol... Even if that was true, which it is not, it only take 10 minutes to have a vote. Lets not pretend they didn't have enough time to pass the legislation. They had time to pass ACA which codified the ban on importing drugs, yet you are trying to say they didn't take the position they themselves VOTED INTO LAW.
 

ChesusRice

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So elections "are held every 76 days" is a true statement? .....lol... Even if that was true, which it is not, it only take 10 minutes to have a vote. Lets not pretend they didn't have enough time to pass the legislation. They had time to pass ACA which codified the ban on importing drugs, yet you are trying to say they didn't take the position they themselves VOTED INTO LAW.
Yes they had control of congress the first two years.
So how is it the Republicans set filibuster records in 2009 and 2010?
And where in Obamacare is importation of drugs banned?
 

Red1966

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Yes they had control of congress the first two years.
So how is it the Republicans set filibuster records in 2009 and 2010?
And where in Obamacare is importation of drugs banned?
As you yourself stated, they had a filibuster-proof control for 76 days' I don't have a copy of the 7,000 page document on me right now, so I guess you'll have to look it up yourself. ACA is currently the defacto law of the land and you can't buy drugs from outside the USA , so that kinda proves my point. So I'm not going to bother with your lame attempt to pretend that not being immediately quote ACA verse some how proves your false statement
 

ChesusRice

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As you yourself stated, they had a filibuster-proof control for 76 days' I don't have a copy of the 7,000 page document on me right now, so I guess you'll have to look it up yourself. ACA is currently the defacto law of the land and you can't buy drugs from outside the USA , so that kinda proves my point. So I'm not going to bother with your lame attempt to pretend that not being immediately quote ACA verse some how proves your false statement
Why did you let your family burn to death?
 

schuylaar

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It's still just high-fructose corn syrup wrapped in a different package. I'm sure we agree a lot on what people SHOULD eat, I'm just not willing to dictate what they can and can't eat.
but if they can and do eat it (making themselves sick; having the healthy pick-up tab) why should they benefit when others don't?

NO EFFECTIVE TAX RATE BELOW 35%? AMIRITE?
 
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