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Yodaweed
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I use sensi bloom but also use R/O water and have had calmag problems in the past so I add the calimagic to it, I do have the floralicious but haven't been using it.
ayr0n
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back to the silica topic...this was a decent read, if anyone is interested lol
http://www.ams.usda.gov/AMSv1.0/getfile?dDocName=STELPRDC5057629
"Additions of potassium silicate have a very low potential for adverse reactions with other materials used in organic farming
systems. The substance may react in storage with ammonium salts to form hydrogen gas, and care should be taken to avoid
contact with raw manure in closed storage."
"The breakdown products of the material are potassium and silicon dioxide, both naturally occurring in practically all animal
species and ecosystems (King et al. 193
. Diluted potassium silicate solution readily depolymerizes into various silicabased
species loosely associated with potassium ions. Concentrations used in foliar sprays and nutrient solutions are
dominated by silicic acid, which is readily absorbed by plants. Dissolved potassium and silica species are indistinguishable
from their naturally occurring analogs.
The mode of action of potassium silicate is not fully understood. There appears to be both a mechanical mode of action
(when applied as a foliar spray), and a physiological mode of action (when translocated within plant tissues) with current
research mostly supporting the latter hypothesis. Silicon impregnates along epidermal cell walls (Parry and Smithson 1964).
These layers become effective barriers against water loss and fungal infection (Sangster 1970, Takeoka et al 1984). Silicon NOSB TAP Review Compiled by UC
is also deposited in xylem vessel cell walls, preventing constriction of xylem under high transpiration stress (Raven 1983),
and in endodermal root cells, where it acts as a barrier against infection of the stele by parasites and pathogens (Bennett
1982). Although there appears to be a relationship between silicate treatments, resistance to fungal attack, and expression of
plant defense mechanisms (Cherif et al 1992), a concurrent study (Cherif et al 1992a) showed that accumulation and
polymerization of silica at fungal infection sites has no role in providing a physical barrier against fungal attack. Further
evidence points to the accumulation of silica in the trichomes of fruit as a possible barrier (Samuels et al 1993). "
http://www.ams.usda.gov/AMSv1.0/getfile?dDocName=STELPRDC5057629
"Additions of potassium silicate have a very low potential for adverse reactions with other materials used in organic farming
systems. The substance may react in storage with ammonium salts to form hydrogen gas, and care should be taken to avoid
contact with raw manure in closed storage."
"The breakdown products of the material are potassium and silicon dioxide, both naturally occurring in practically all animal
species and ecosystems (King et al. 193
. Diluted potassium silicate solution readily depolymerizes into various silicabasedspecies loosely associated with potassium ions. Concentrations used in foliar sprays and nutrient solutions are
dominated by silicic acid, which is readily absorbed by plants. Dissolved potassium and silica species are indistinguishable
from their naturally occurring analogs.
The mode of action of potassium silicate is not fully understood. There appears to be both a mechanical mode of action
(when applied as a foliar spray), and a physiological mode of action (when translocated within plant tissues) with current
research mostly supporting the latter hypothesis. Silicon impregnates along epidermal cell walls (Parry and Smithson 1964).
These layers become effective barriers against water loss and fungal infection (Sangster 1970, Takeoka et al 1984). Silicon NOSB TAP Review Compiled by UC
is also deposited in xylem vessel cell walls, preventing constriction of xylem under high transpiration stress (Raven 1983),
and in endodermal root cells, where it acts as a barrier against infection of the stele by parasites and pathogens (Bennett
1982). Although there appears to be a relationship between silicate treatments, resistance to fungal attack, and expression of
plant defense mechanisms (Cherif et al 1992), a concurrent study (Cherif et al 1992a) showed that accumulation and
polymerization of silica at fungal infection sites has no role in providing a physical barrier against fungal attack. Further
evidence points to the accumulation of silica in the trichomes of fruit as a possible barrier (Samuels et al 1993). "
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purplelicious
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I never said I was trying to grow organically! I may be trying to get the best weed possible and a mix of organic and chemical might actually be the best way! OMG IT"S THE END OF THE WORLD!
purplelicious
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You guys are so stubborn and annoying. Basically you disregard valuable information based on your ego. Boohoo I want organic. I'm saying big ag polluted the environment and cannabis can restore it. Cannabis depletes everything from the soil. You can grow cannabis with little or no nutrients just fine but the end product will show just what was in the ground it was planted in period. If the ground is toxic the plants absorb it and then you replenish the earth.How can you say the plant always has everything it needs to create all the aminos they need all the time when they are always pulling in nutrients and sending out roots to search for more. You're a tool bag. It absolutely is a "magical plant" It is the most miraculous discovery and ongoing research project discovered by man in mine and many other well informed peoples opinion. Now I see why in 20 years I never wasted my time with you grunts.
purplelicious
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This is why im here! Beautiful work! I'm investing time and money into ggg genetics and wanted to talk about this, not silica and aminos lol. thanks genuity for keeping the focus alive! Bubba is one of my all time favs and I would definitely like to give that strain a personal review! Nice frosty chunky nug action! I wasn't sure if I wanted to try mendo breath so will be looking for those nug shots too.
genuity
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Yea,I felt the same about mendobreath,till I grew out the mendobreath x grape puff
And doing a little digging on the genetic make up...I just know these are going to put out fire..
I'm trying to get the guys to revisit this platinum bubba x Jo og..it is true funk.
purplelicious
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I will fuck off and it happily so. You on the other hand will waste the rest of your life here most likely.
purplelicious
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I never said I was growing organically. If you can't figure out that you can use organic and natural methods together than you are a retard. Natural does mean chemicals and yes chemicals can be natural products ie: rockwool!
TonightYou
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See, this is science. Thank you for actually contributing what is science and not marketing.back to the silica topic...this was a decent read, if anyone is interested lol
http://www.ams.usda.gov/AMSv1.0/getfile?dDocName=STELPRDC5057629
"Additions of potassium silicate have a very low potential for adverse reactions with other materials used in organic farming
systems. The substance may react in storage with ammonium salts to form hydrogen gas, and care should be taken to avoid
contact with raw manure in closed storage."
"The breakdown products of the material are potassium and silicon dioxide, both naturally occurring in practically all animal
species and ecosystems (King et al. 193
species loosely associated with potassium ions. Concentrations used in foliar sprays and nutrient solutions are
dominated by silicic acid, which is readily absorbed by plants. Dissolved potassium and silica species are indistinguishable
from their naturally occurring analogs.
The mode of action of potassium silicate is not fully understood. There appears to be both a mechanical mode of action
(when applied as a foliar spray), and a physiological mode of action (when translocated within plant tissues) with current
research mostly supporting the latter hypothesis. Silicon impregnates along epidermal cell walls (Parry and Smithson 1964).
These layers become effective barriers against water loss and fungal infection (Sangster 1970, Takeoka et al 1984). Silicon NOSB TAP Review Compiled by UC
is also deposited in xylem vessel cell walls, preventing constriction of xylem under high transpiration stress (Raven 1983),
and in endodermal root cells, where it acts as a barrier against infection of the stele by parasites and pathogens (Bennett
1982). Although there appears to be a relationship between silicate treatments, resistance to fungal attack, and expression of
plant defense mechanisms (Cherif et al 1992), a concurrent study (Cherif et al 1992a) showed that accumulation and
polymerization of silica at fungal infection sites has no role in providing a physical barrier against fungal attack. Further
evidence points to the accumulation of silica in the trichomes of fruit as a possible barrier (Samuels et al 1993). "
purplelicious
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I have low ppms and never use r/o I used it one year and wow what a waste of fucking water!
purplelicious
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Yes it is science but it just says the same fucking thing! So we all learn silica is fucking great shit and your pants need it. They might not need aminos fed to them but it sure as fuck is doing some good shit to my plants that is a fact from me.
st0wandgrow
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My post got you so butt-hurt that you had to quote it 3 times? Did I strike a nerve there skippy? Smoke a joint and collect yourself.
Pro tip: If you're going to call someone a retard, you might want to make sure you've got a handle on 3'rd grade English. It's "then", not "than"..... retard.
TonightYou
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It's a magical plant with regards to the effects, that I can agree with you there. I also agree cannabis can be a great plant to pull toxins out of the soil, this is true but it isn't the only plant that had that capability. Cannabis is not a magical plant when it comes to cultivation.
What you posted was marketing. It is nonsense and serves only the purpose to sell you shit you don't need.
If my ego was so big, I'd never post my mistakes nor would I admit when I'm wrong. Both of which I've done on these boards. What I can't stand is misinformation and marketing. Both intellectual crimes you committed.
Nevertheless organic, inorganic, both can get one a great product. I love organic when it's done responsibly and respectful of the environment. Personally I am a lazy indoor grower and simply don't have the time nor effort to get it going at this point.
purplelicious
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i just woke up and yes im a tard happy to admit it and now im also baked and yes i do feel better i will qoute you again soon hold on
Yodaweed
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What was wrong with your R/O water? I noticed a significant difference between R/O and DE-chlorinated (mainly salt build up on fabric pots is much less). Maybe it was just me but man these R/O filters are bad ass and work great. I only have to use florakleen 1 time at the very end of grow to flush out my nutes no more flushing during flower/veg because of salt build up.
TonightYou
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This is the problem I took up with your statements. Perhaps I wasn't as clear. I believe you are falsely attributing "amino acids" to helping your plants instead of the silica, which was my point. Amino acids are produced by the plant, no extras are needed was my point.
purplelicious
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I actually need this shit for the way that I cultivate. Hate it or not that is a fact for most of growers and is not a trend.
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