Gage Green Group Info Thread

[TonightYou]

I actually need this shit for the way that I cultivate. Hate it or not that is a fact for most of growers and is not a trend.

Need what? Because that statement is not clear.

 

[purplelicious]

What was wrong with your R/O water? I noticed a significant difference between R/O and DE-chlorinated (mainly salt build up on fabric pots is much less). Maybe it was just me but man these R/O filters are bad ass and work great. I only have to use florakleen 1 time at the very end of grow to flush out my nutes no more flushing during flower/veg because of salt build up.

Oh I just don't like to waste water I'm OCD about it really. So you like to filter out half your water and dump in down the drain? Chlorine sucks and I don't like it but really is it that bad? A regular carbon filter brings my ppms down to the 20's.

 

[Yodaweed]

Oh I just don't like to waste water I'm OCD about it really. So you like to filter out half your water and dump in down the drain? Chlorine sucks and I don't like it but really is it that bad? A regular carbon filter brings my ppms down to the 20's.

I didn't say chlorine I said salt. That carbon filter does NOTHING for salt removal.

 

[purplelicious]

Need what? Because that statement is not clear.

Nutrients. So I grow in rockwool. It is an inert substrate. I have to inoculate it before I use it. This is a simple process of soaking in some compost tea. If I have a inert medium anything I put in it is in it and there is nothing in it that I did not put in it. So to say it can be organic is false. I can use mycorhizae and it creates a healthy microbial life in the rockwool. Now people have said it has a low caution exchange and microbial life doesn't thrive. but like you said you don't need the soil food web to grow cannabis and I guess that is what my results show and have shown for a very long time. Although if you ask what my experience is I will tell you that the rockwool promotes and supports a very healthy environment for roots and microbial life. I have grown in organic super soil that I made and did that for years and know the difference. For example.. I used to use green sand in it and that doesn't break down until fall outdoors so if you use it in your mix indoors it never actually really gets used from the soil. I need the nutrients because my substrate does not have it built in, which I like very much indeed. You can have all that shit in your soil but you can never really get it all out. Can you ever flush a soil plant down to where the runoff is the same exact ppms as the fresh clean water you feed them? I flush better than anyone I have ever met hands down.

 

[purplelicious]

I didn't say chlorine I said salt. That carbon filter does NOTHING for salt removal.

Oh than if you have a problem with salt that's new to me I flush with every feed so new nutes every time.

 

[purplelicious]

It's a magical plant with regards to the effects, that I can agree with you there. I also agree cannabis can be a great plant to pull toxins out of the soil, this is true but it isn't the only plant that had that capability. Cannabis is not a magical plant when it comes to cultivation.

What you posted was marketing. It is nonsense and serves only the purpose to sell you shit you don't need.

If my ego was so big, I'd never post my mistakes nor would I admit when I'm wrong. Both of which I've done on these boards. What I can't stand is misinformation and marketing. Both intellectual crimes you committed.

Nevertheless organic, inorganic, both can get one a great product. I love organic when it's done responsibly and respectful of the environment. Personally I am a lazy indoor grower and simply don't have the time nor effort to get it going at this point.

Unfortunately marketing is part of capitalism and we live in america.. yay america. I have to say sometimes you just need to accept things the way they are and pick your battles wisely. For instance I know I can outsmart you but to fight commercialism and capitalism is like cutting off my nose to spite my face.Do you think they are actually exposed to more peer reviews than this silly message board?

 

[st0wandgrow]

I flush better than anyone I have ever met hands down.

 

[TonightYou]

Nutrients. So I grow in rockwool. It is an inert substrate. I have to inoculate it before I use it. This is a simple process of soaking in some compost tea. If I have a inert medium anything I put in it is in it and there is nothing in it that I did not put in it. So to say it can be organic is false. I can use mycorhizae and it creates a healthy microbial life in the rockwool. Now people have said it has a low caution exchange and microbial life doesn't thrive. but like you said you don't need the soil food web to grow cannabis and that is what my results show and have shown for a very long time. I need the nutrients because my substrate does not have it built in, wich I like very much indeed. You can have all that shit in your soil but you can never really get it all out. Can you ever flush a soil plant down to where the runoff is the same exact ppms as the fresh clean water you feed them? I flush better than anyone I have ever met hands down.

Gotcha. Yes plants need nutes, i havent ventures into rockwool. I don't mess with ppms or run off. I know my water source as I read the annual report and have good water. I don't measure ppms, because there really isn't a need to as my nutrients are consistent. Plus if I don't have problems, no reason to make more work.

And flushing is to correct problems. It adds nothing to the end product. Why deprive a plant of potential growth by starving it the last couple weeks?

Unfortunately marketing is part of capitalism and we live in america.. yay america. I have to say sometimes you just need to accept things the way they are and pick your battles wisely. For instance I know I can outsmart you but to fight commercialism and capitalism is like cutting off my nose to spite my face.Do you think they are actually exposed to more peer reviews than this silly message board?

Since this is barely coherent ramblings, I'll try my best at not being a dick. You can waste your money on what ever you want. That's your choice. I prefer to be an educated consumer. What I can't stand is nonsense being spread as truth. Peer review in science is something anyone should pay attention to, particularly when making claims. It means I can replicate ones study, critically look for potential pitfalls, and ensure the accuracy of said conclusions.

You on the other hand seem to prefer generic hippy dude making outlandish claims that can be found in any hydro store trying to sell you the latest and greatest marketing snake oil.

 

[st0wandgrow]

Yeah, by late veg through finish, dump the reservoir and fill w/ new nutes mix weekly. In between, top off w/ half strength.

Running random plants, it can be tricky when to begin the final 7-10 day pure water flush. Guess early, and you starve a plant of nutes during the last ripening phase. Wait too long, and your plants get harvested late waiting for the flush. No problems w/ either if you run reliable clones.

The proof, ultimately, is in the joint. If it burns a white ash, and stays lit nearly as well as a Marlboro, you've succeeded.

LMAO!!

 

[Yodaweed]

I run organic and coco-coir semi-organic, salt build up can be a serious problem in soil and coco-coir, I have also done RDWC hydroponics and aeroponics but find the taste is much better with the organic and semi organic. And if you flush every single time you feed you are doing something wrong, I water my coco with nutrients each time until 20-40% runoff.

 

[Amos Otis]

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Oh than if you have a problem with salt that's new to me I flush with every feed so new nutes every time 88888888888888888888888888888888888888888

Yeah, by late veg through finish, dump the reservoir and fill w/ new nutes mix weekly. In between, top off w/ half strength.

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I need the nutrients because my substrate does not have it built in, which I like very much indeed. You can have all that shit in your soil but you can never really get it all out. Can you ever flush a soil plant down to where the runoff is the same exact ppms as the fresh clean water you feed them? I flush better than anyone I have ever met hands down. 888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888

Running random plants, it can be tricky when to begin the final 7-10 day pure water flush. Guess early, and you starve a plant of nutes during the last ripening phase. Wait too long, and your plants get harvested late waiting for the flush. No problems w/ either if you run reliable clones.

↑I flush better than anyone I have ever met hands down.8888888888888888888888888888888888

The proof, ultimately, is in the joint. If it burns a white ash, and stays lit nearly as well as a Marlboro, you've succeeded.​

 

[Amos Otis]

LMAO

 

[TonightYou]

A proper dry and cure is what makes a clean burning end product. Not flushing.

 

[purplelicious]

I run organic and coco-coir semi-organic, salt build up can be a serious problem in soil and coco-coir, I have also done RDWC hydroponics and aeroponics but find the taste is much better with the organic and semi organic. And if you flush every single time you feed you are doing something wrong, I water my coco with nutrients each time until 20-40% runoff.

that is the same difference as a flush. runoff=flush. you are why I think coco is fail. salt build up haha.

 

[Yodaweed]

that is the same difference as a flush. runoff=flush

No you are completely wrong runoff does not = flush, flush = 3 times more than the container size so if you have a 5 gallon container to flush you need 15 gallons of fresh clean water. Or you can flush with a clearing agent like FloraKleen or Flawless Finish, but you don't use nutes with EITHER of those methods so you are completely wrong, sorry.

 

[purplelicious]

Gotcha. Yes plants need nutes, i havent ventures into rockwool. I don't mess with ppms or run off. I know my water source as I read the annual report and have good water. I don't measure ppms, because there really isn't a need to as my nutrients are consistent. Plus if I don't have problems, no reason to make more work.

And flushing is to correct problems. It adds nothing to the end product. Why deprive a plant of potential growth by starving it the last couple weeks?



Since this is barely coherent ramblings, I'll try my best at not being a dick. You can waste your money on what ever you want. That's your choice. I prefer to be an educated consumer. What I can't stand is nonsense being spread as truth. Peer review in science is something anyone should pay attention to, particularly when making claims. It means I can replicate ones study, critically look for potential pitfalls, and ensure the accuracy of said conclusions.

You on the other hand seem to prefer generic hippy dude making outlandish claims that can be found in any hydro store trying to sell you the latest and greatest marketing snake oil.

I'm glad I'm not smoking your unflushed weed. If you don't understand this basic fact please don't waste my time. I also will show you how to grow anytime and you can exercise your right to fix any problems you see with my grow. You will most likely just fuck it up and ask me how to fix it.

 

[purplelicious]

No you are completely wrong runoff does not = flush, flush = 3 times more than the container size so if you have a 5 gallon container to flush you need 15 gallons of fresh clean water. Or you can flush with a clearing agent like FloraKleen or Flawless Finish, but you don't use nutes with EITHER of those methods so you are completely wrong, sorry.

I disagree. I flush every feed. I didn't say final flush anywhere did I? This procedure is to ensure no salt buildup so effectively it is flushing out salts. wow you guys like to argue. Only flush with water plants really don't need florakleen that is the snake oil if you ask me.

 

[Amos Otis]

A proper dry and cure is what makes a clean burning end product. Not flushing.

Dirt vs DWC.

In my medium, no flush = hard little charcoal balls that do not smoke. Guess why?

 

[purplelicious]

Yea,I felt the same about mendobreath,till I grew out the mendobreath x grape puff

And doing a little digging on the genetic make up...I just know these are going to put out fire..

I'm trying to get the guys to revisit this platinum bubba x Jo og..it is true funk.

I wish they would do plantium bubba x joog! I have a forum cut x bubba kush 98. mmmmm very frosty in week 3! smells like cherries and funk!

 

[purplelicious]

Dirt vs DWC.

In my medium, no flush = hard little charcoal balls that do not smoke. Guess why?

I'm guessing it is because there is leftover nutrients that your plant didn't use. I have never had that problem so I'm not much help there. I would say dirt if it was a choice between just the two. Obviously I choose rockwool over all for indoor. Outdoor dirt I hope you would all know. My reason for dirt is the roots in DWC are not supported and can not grow them correctly due to lack of structure as well as the very turbulent and harsh environment they are forced to live in. One thing you don't see on a giant scale from big ag is dwc. It was a fad and that is my opinion.