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racerboy71

bud bootlegger
Furthermore every single nutrient company suggests a flush, they even provide flushing solvents to help flush easier. They must not have studied plants then since according to your theory they are all wrong.
oh, you mean nutrient companies, the ones selling you flushing agents? they honestly suggest you flush.. next thing you're going to tell me that they're going to suggest that you flush using one of their flushing agents, ammirghit?
 

Yodaweed

Well-Known Member
Experienced growers know that it's virtually impossible to grow long-term, healthy houseplants without using fertilizer. However, there can be a dark side to fertilizer that must be dealt with if your plants are truly to look their best.
Fertilizer is sometimes referred to as "fertilizer salts" because that's just what it is: soluble salts. According to the Unviersity of Texas Greenhouse Management Handbook, fertilizers are classifed by the amount of salt they contain. For reference, researchers have developed a "salt index," using sodium nitrate as the baseline, which has a salt index value of 100 (this was picked randomly). Other fertilizer ingredients have varying salt indexes, including potassium chloride (salt index of 116) and ammonium nitrate (salt index of 105). The nitrates are well known sources of nitrogen, which is one of the macroelements and most common fertilizer ingredients. All fertilizers contain salts, including pellets, powders, and liquid fertilizers.
Although proper use of fertilizer is critical to encouraging healthy plants, over time, they leave behind a salt residue in the soil that can be detrimental to your plants. If it's bad enough, this salt residue can be seen as a white, hazy film on the soil surface. If you use clay pots, it will appear as a white haze on the outside of the pot.
Fertilizers aren't the only source of salt build-up in your houseplants. There can also be salts present in your potting medium as well as the water you're using. Salt concentrations in water are measured as the electrical conductivity (EC) of the water. The greater the EC, the greater the salt concentration. EC readings exceeding 2.0 millimhos/cc signal an excessive level of sodium. Finally, most soil mediums (peat moss, pine bark fines, perlite) contain negligible amounts of salt, with the notable exception of coconut coir. Coconut coir that was harvested and processed from plants that lived near the ocean can contain very high levels of salt and should be leached before use.
Flushing Salts From Your Plants
All of this salt can have a very detrimental effect on your plants, especially as the salt level continually rises with additional applications of water and fertilizer. Very few plants have evolved to tolerate high levels of sodium (the mangrove is a notable exception, and some species are well known for their ability to "weep" salt from their leaves as they secrete excess salt). Signs of excess salt include wilting, fungal attack, and plant collapse.
Instead of waiting for your plants to suffer from salt build-up, it's a better idea to regularly "flush" your potted plants to clean out excess salt build-up. Flushing plants is not difficult and can make a world of difference in your plants' health. To flush plants, follow these simple steps:
  • Stick to a schedule. It's best to flush monthly or every four to eight weeks, depending on how often you fertilize.
  • Using tepid water, water the plant heavily until water drips from the drainage holes. Do not let the plant sit in its container during this procedure (it will be sitting in the same salty water you're trying to get ride of!).
  • Let the plant drip for 20 to 30 minutes, then repeat the procedure with tepid water and let the plant drain again.
  • Make sure to clean the salt residue from the plant's tray. Trays can have extremely high levels of salt concentration left by evaporation.
This general procedure should work for most houseplants, but some more sensitive species might need a third round of flushing or might need to be flushed more often. As always, watch your plants carefully and let them tell you what they need.
Source: http://houseplants.about.com/od/growinghealthyhouseplants/a/Flushing-Houseplants-Flushing-Fertilizer-Salts-From-Potted-Plants.htm

Please do some reading before you open your mouth. It's not just marijuana it is all plants.
 

racerboy71

bud bootlegger
Experienced growers know that it's virtually impossible to grow long-term, healthy houseplants without using fertilizer. However, there can be a dark side to fertilizer that must be dealt with if your plants are truly to look their best.
Fertilizer is sometimes referred to as "fertilizer salts" because that's just what it is: soluble salts. According to the Unviersity of Texas Greenhouse Management Handbook, fertilizers are classifed by the amount of salt they contain. For reference, researchers have developed a "salt index," using sodium nitrate as the baseline, which has a salt index value of 100 (this was picked randomly). Other fertilizer ingredients have varying salt indexes, including potassium chloride (salt index of 116) and ammonium nitrate (salt index of 105). The nitrates are well known sources of nitrogen, which is one of the macroelements and most common fertilizer ingredients. All fertilizers contain salts, including pellets, powders, and liquid fertilizers.

Source: http://houseplants.about.com/od/growinghealthyhouseplants/a/Flushing-Houseplants-Flushing-Fertilizer-Salts-From-Potted-Plants.htm

Please do some reading before you open your mouth. It's not just marijuana it is all plants.
lol, who's arguing that nutes don't use salts? not me said the bee..
and just an jyi, my mother has a house full of house plants, never used nutrients in her life..
 

st0wandgrow

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You think the fan leafs are the only thing on your plant that stores food? The buds are green too.....you guys can smoked your unflushed poison buds that are so harsh they make you have a sore throat and I will continue to smoke my top shelf medical quality organic marijuana that is properly flushed and tastes amazing. I was at your level once, I thought flushing was bs, then I tried flushing and wow what a difference in quality and wayyyy less harshness. Just don't see how you don't realize flushing is a real thing, just call any legit dispensary and they will tell you they flush, every single dispensary I go to flushes and they have very high quality buds.
Think about what you're saying. You're suggesting that organic compounds that are processed via microbes, turned into ionic form, and uptaken by the plant.... somehow turn in to poison??

Even if what you're saying is true (organic compounds turn in to poison) how does dumping copious amounts of water ON YOUR SOIL eliminate these poisons from the LEAVES?? What are you flushing out of the soil that will impact the leaves??

The only sense that flushing makes to me is if you're using synthetic nutrients and you over did it and you want to rid your medium of any excess build up of salts. Aside from that "flushing" is pot forum mythology. In no other field of agriculture do you see farmers "flushing" any type of crop.
 

Yodaweed

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lol, who's arguing that nutes don't use salts? not me said the bee..
and just an jyi, my mother has a house full of house plants, never used nutrients in her life..
Then why would you not flush, you are poisoning yourself by smoking that built up fertilizer and poisoning your plants by leaving it in there, using R/O water will help decrease this substantially but you always need an end harvest flush, no matter what.
 

King Arthur

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You think the fan leafs are the only thing on your plant that stores food? The buds are green too.....you guys can smoked your unflushed poison buds that are so harsh they make you have a sore throat and I will continue to smoke my top shelf medical quality organic marijuana that is properly flushed and tastes amazing. I was at your level once, I thought flushing was bs, then I tried flushing and wow what a difference in quality and wayyyy less harshness. Just don't see how you don't realize flushing is a real thing, just call any legit dispensary and they will tell you they flush, every single dispensary I go to flushes and they have very high quality buds.
I don't know where you got your cannabis degree but you might want to throw it in the dumpster and start over.

First off, you wouldn't have a clue what one has in his/her stash unless they gave you that information or you personally know them. For that second point my ash always burns to a nice white fluff that you can gently flick into the wind. If you learn to dry and cure properly everything becomes higher quality.
 

Yodaweed

Well-Known Member
Think about what you're saying. You're suggesting that organic compounds that are processed via microbes, turned into ionic form, and uptaken by the plant.... somehow turn in to poison??

Even if what you're saying is true (organic compounds turn in to poison) how does dumping copious amounts of water ON YOUR SOIL eliminate these poisons from the LEAVES?? What are you flushing out of the soil that will impact the leaves??

The only sense that flushing makes to me is if you're using synthetic nutrients and you over did it and you want to rid your medium of any excess build up of salts. Aside from that "flushing" is pot forum mythology. In no other field of agriculture do you see farmers "flushing" any type of crop.
When you flush you do not harvest right away , you flush for 1-2 weeks , leaching the soil and removing the nutrients, so the plant only can use what is left in its system. By the time you harvest you should have a good fade going and you will notice a good difference in taste of end product.
 

King Arthur

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Then why would you not flush, you are poisoning yourself by smoking that built up fertilizer and poisoning your plants by leaving it in there, using R/O water will help decrease this substantially but you always need an end harvest flush, no matter what.
You don't smoke the dirt my man, I think you got it all wrong here brother. No offense to you and your opinion but scientific evidence does not back you up.
 

TonightYou

Well-Known Member
Furthermore every single nutrient company suggests a flush, they even provide flushing solvents to help flush easier. They must not have studied plants then since according to your theory they are all wrong.
Let's break that statement down.

No , not all nutrient companies say to flush. Funny enough it's only cannabis focused products that tend to.

They provide flushing products because the ignorant buy them and it's an easy means of revenue.

I doubt most have studied plants, if they did, NPK levels wouldn't be all over the place nor would you need 15 separate bottles.
 

Yodaweed

Well-Known Member
Obviously you guys are like talking to a brick wall, I backed my argument up with evidence and sources you guys have done nothing but source opinions and not 1 fact. I am done with this conversation.
 

racerboy71

bud bootlegger
Then why would you not flush, you are poisoning yourself by smoking that built up fertilizer and poisoning your plants by leaving it in there, using R/O water will help decrease this substantially but you always need an end harvest flush, no matter what.
i have tried flushing my plants, and i have tried not flushing my plants.. after smoking the same strain, grown from clones from same mother, one flushed, one not, and not noticing any differences between the two, i stopped flushing.. simple is simple..
and if i were poisoning my plants as you say, why aren't they dying? usually when something is poisoned, it dies, no?
 

racerboy71

bud bootlegger
Obviously you guys are like talking to a brick wall, I backed my argument up with evidence and sources you guys have done nothing but source opinions and not 1 fact. I am done with this conversation.
what facts have you backed up your argument with, that nutrients are based on salts and that nitrates are 116 on a salt based scale? i don't understand what that has to do with flushing
 

Amos Otis

Well-Known Member
Other than throwing some nutes in my cloning bucket due to not having enough space, nope.

If there is some explanation as to why it would be different please enlighten me. And I'm not being sarcastic.
I don't have the explanation, just the results. I can't tell you why lines sometimes appear in my posts....
.... well, I can now. OK,,this is better - I can't tell you how a microwave works, but I know how to operate one.

So......sorry, I'm not the sort of person that has to know 'why' something that works, works. I have no science. But I have $100, a couple of spare buckets [with the accessories], and a couple of Bodhi beans [ you pay for if I'm not right.

No, wait....change the Bodhi two 2 Dinafem WWs...you'll need two fems. Grow them. At 7 weeks in bloom, drain the nutes from one bucket and fill with plain water for 10 days - the other, keep your solution at normal nutrient bloom strength.

Chop. Dry. Smoke. Only one will burn. Guess which one?

I honestly don't care why, ya know?
 

TonightYou

Well-Known Member
Experienced growers know that it's virtually impossible to grow long-term, healthy houseplants without using fertilizer. However, there can be a dark side to fertilizer that must be dealt with if your plants are truly to look their best.
Fertilizer is sometimes referred to as "fertilizer salts" because that's just what it is: soluble salts. According to the Unviersity of Texas Greenhouse Management Handbook, fertilizers are classifed by the amount of salt they contain. For reference, researchers have developed a "salt index," using sodium nitrate as the baseline, which has a salt index value of 100 (this was picked randomly). Other fertilizer ingredients have varying salt indexes, including potassium chloride (salt index of 116) and ammonium nitrate (salt index of 105). The nitrates are well known sources of nitrogen, which is one of the macroelements and most common fertilizer ingredients. All fertilizers contain salts, including pellets, powders, and liquid fertilizers.
Although proper use of fertilizer is critical to encouraging healthy plants, over time, they leave behind a salt residue in the soil that can be detrimental to your plants. If it's bad enough, this salt residue can be seen as a white, hazy film on the soil surface. If you use clay pots, it will appear as a white haze on the outside of the pot.
Fertilizers aren't the only source of salt build-up in your houseplants. There can also be salts present in your potting medium as well as the water you're using. Salt concentrations in water are measured as the electrical conductivity (EC) of the water. The greater the EC, the greater the salt concentration. EC readings exceeding 2.0 millimhos/cc signal an excessive level of sodium. Finally, most soil mediums (peat moss, pine bark fines, perlite) contain negligible amounts of salt, with the notable exception of coconut coir. Coconut coir that was harvested and processed from plants that lived near the ocean can contain very high levels of salt and should be leached before use.
Flushing Salts From Your Plants
All of this salt can have a very detrimental effect on your plants, especially as the salt level continually rises with additional applications of water and fertilizer. Very few plants have evolved to tolerate high levels of sodium (the mangrove is a notable exception, and some species are well known for their ability to "weep" salt from their leaves as they secrete excess salt). Signs of excess salt include wilting, fungal attack, and plant collapse.
Instead of waiting for your plants to suffer from salt build-up, it's a better idea to regularly "flush" your potted plants to clean out excess salt build-up. Flushing plants is not difficult and can make a world of difference in your plants' health. To flush plants, follow these simple steps:
  • Stick to a schedule. It's best to flush monthly or every four to eight weeks, depending on how often you fertilize.
  • Using tepid water, water the plant heavily until water drips from the drainage holes. Do not let the plant sit in its container during this procedure (it will be sitting in the same salty water you're trying to get ride of!).
  • Let the plant drip for 20 to 30 minutes, then repeat the procedure with tepid water and let the plant drain again.
  • Make sure to clean the salt residue from the plant's tray. Trays can have extremely high levels of salt concentration left by evaporation.
This general procedure should work for most houseplants, but some more sensitive species might need a third round of flushing or might need to be flushed more often. As always, watch your plants carefully and let them tell you what they need.
Source: http://houseplants.about.com/od/growinghealthyhouseplants/a/Flushing-Houseplants-Flushing-Fertilizer-Salts-From-Potted-Plants.htm

Please do some reading before you open your mouth. It's not just marijuana it is all plants.
Wow, I didn't know cannabis was a houseplant, sitting in a container for years at a time. Stop over fertilizing and you won't have salt build up.
 

King Arthur

Well-Known Member
Obviously you guys are like talking to a brick wall, I backed my argument up with evidence and sources you guys have done nothing but source opinions and not 1 fact. I am done with this conversation.
Fact #1 Plants to not uptake heavy metals, they transfer it in ions.
Fact #2 No other agriculture industry flushes
Fact #3 If you know how to give your plants what they need and not follow some schedule to over fert your babies you would never have a sore throat.
Fact #4 You sadly have grown weed that makes your throat sore otherwise you wouldn't have brought it up.

Anyone wanna throw some more facts in there.
 

Yodaweed

Well-Known Member
Fact #1 Plants to not uptake heavy metals, they transfer it in ions.
Fact #2 No other agriculture industry flushes
Fact #3 If you know how to give your plants what they need and not follow some schedule to over fert your babies you would never have a sore throat.
Fact #4 You sadly have grown weed that makes your throat sore otherwise you wouldn't have brought it up.

Anyone wanna throw some more facts in there.
Sources? I see no facts their just your opinion. You have nothing to back your argument up with just talking out your ass like 99% of people on these forums. Please keep your dumb ass opinion to yourself because I do not give a fuck what you think. Back it up or shut it up.
 

TonightYou

Well-Known Member
I don't have the explanation, just the results. I can't tell you why lines sometimes appear in my posts....
.... well, I can now. OK,,this is better - I can't tell you how a microwave works, but I know how to operate one.

So......sorry, I'm not the sort of person that has to know 'why' something that works, works. I have no science. But I have $100, a couple of spare buckets [with the accessories], and a couple of Bodhi beans [ you pay for if I'm not right.

No, wait....change the Bodhi two 2 Dinafem WWs...you'll need two fems. Grow them. At 7 weeks in bloom, drain the nutes from one bucket and fill with plain water for 10 days - the other, keep your solution at normal nutrient bloom strength.

Chop. Dry. Smoke. Only one will burn. Guess which one?

I honestly don't care why, ya know?
Why's are very important.

I never said continue feeding full strength till the end. My plants tend to want less when they are a few weeks from harvest. Swapping out old nutrients solution with just plain water makes sense, I just don't see why you don't continue feeding your plants. You do you, you grow beautiful looking bud. I'm always interested in the why, otherwise it's simply conjecture and not really understanding what's going on.

By the way, I'm sure you can figure out how a microwave works. It isn't complicated.
 

King Arthur

Well-Known Member
Sources? I see no facts their just your opinion. You have nothing to back your argument up with just talking out your ass like 99% of people on these forums. Please keep your dumb ass opinion to yourself because I do not give a fuck what you think. Back it up or shut it up.
@Uncle Ben

Once uncle ben gets here he will produce some facts, I am not the scientist or the horticulturist for over 20 years but he is something like that.

You seem real salty that we shattered your dreams, I feel like you must be using advanced nutrients with final finish or final flush or something.

The only time you need to flush is after you take a shit bro, that is a fact jack.

[ By the way, I know you grew the throat burner bro. I have never myself experienced it but you don't have to hide it. We all make mistakes. ]
 

st0wandgrow

Well-Known Member
When you flush you do not harvest right away , you flush for 1-2 weeks , leaching the soil and removing the nutrients, so the plant only can use what is left in its system. By the time you harvest you should have a good fade going and you will notice a good difference in taste of end product.


No you are completely wrong runoff does not = flush, flush = 3 times more than the container size so if you have a 5 gallon container to flush you need 15 gallons of fresh clean water. Or you can flush with a clearing agent like FloraKleen or Flawless Finish, but you don't use nutes with EITHER of those methods so you are completely wrong, sorry.
I can understand tapering off the feeding the last week or so and finishing up with some plain water, but it makes no sense at all to me to dump 15 gallons of water in to a 5 gallon container (your definition of flushing) every time you water for the last 2 weeks. That simply isn't going to do anything to enhance the flavor, or smokeability of the weed.

As has already been mentioned by others.... get the drying down pat and your weed will smoke smooth.
 
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