Gage Green Group Info Thread

[applepoop1984]

you should read this mr. heavy metal

http://pubs.usgs.gov/bul/1314g/report.pdf

good luck flushing out all that cadmium,lmfao

"because if your a plant, after the microbes break down the nutrients, you go ahead and uptake some heavy metals, LMFAO, applepoop, quit making shit up." chuck Estevez

"So smart guy, if I did get a build up in 4 months(yeah right) and I flushed(yeah right) where does this metal go? and smoking wouldn't burn heavy metals, i would have a pile of metal after taking a rip according to your theories,lol" more of chuck's asinine comments

a list of ferts that contain cadmium: http://agr.wa.gov/pestfert/fertilizers/docs/rptFertHMWebCurrent.pdf

proof that flushing of the soil will remove cadmium:
http://www.rockmagnetism.ru/articles/443.pdf

"RESULTS AND ANALYSIS Extraction Using Water . Table 1 presents the measured pH and redox potential as well as the calculatedpercent removal of Cr, Ni, and Cd for both kaolin and glacial till using the differentwater extractants. The measured pH values of kaolin were less than 3.5 using allthree types of water. Even though the pH was below 3.5, Cr may have partiallyexisted as Cr(OH)3 due to its high concentration (1.32 X 10'3 M) (Pourbaix, 1974).The presence of Cr as insoluble Cr(OH)3 may be responsible for less than 50%removal of Cr in kaolin. Other studies have shown that Cr adsorbs strongly to soilsurfaces resulting in low removal using water (Ososkov and Bozzelli, 1994). Theremoval of Ni and Cd ranged from 69 to 87% and 47 to 52%, respectively

proof that use of perlite in an aqueous solution will remove cadmium from fertilizers:
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0304389402000845

and if you dont think heavy metal concentration in marijuana is a problem:

http://manicbotanix.com/hydroponic-grow-guide/contaminants-in-cannabis-.html

chucky chucky chucky, youre missing the point entirely ... yet again! the point is to remove the cadmium from the soil and the ferts before you plant./ DUUURRRRR!!! flushing after planting is only to remove any trace amounts of cadmium and to promote rapid growth as is seen in nature after periods of heavy rainfall
. DERP DEEP DUM

 

[chuck estevez]

"because if your a plant, after the microbes break down the nutrients, you go ahead and uptake some heavy metals, LMFAO, applepoop, quit making shit up." chuck Estevez

"So smart guy, if I did get a build up in 4 months(yeah right) and I flushed(yeah right) where does this metal go? and smoking wouldn't burn heavy metals, i would have a pile of metal after taking a rip according to your theories,lol" more of chuck's asinine comments

a list of ferts that contain cadmium: http://agr.wa.gov/pestfert/fertilizers/docs/rptFertHMWebCurrent.pdf

proof that flushing of the soil will remove cadmium:
http://www.rockmagnetism.ru/articles/443.pdf

"RESULTS AND ANALYSIS Extraction Using Water . Table 1 presents the measured pH and redox potential as well as the calculatedpercent removal of Cr, Ni, and Cd for both kaolin and glacial till using the differentwater extractants. The measured pH values of kaolin were less than 3.5 using allthree types of water. Even though the pH was below 3.5, Cr may have partiallyexisted as Cr(OH)3 due to its high concentration (1.32 X 10'3 M) (Pourbaix, 1974).The presence of Cr as insoluble Cr(OH)3 may be responsible for less than 50%removal of Cr in kaolin. Other studies have shown that Cr adsorbs strongly to soilsurfaces resulting in low removal using water (Ososkov and Bozzelli, 1994). Theremoval of Ni and Cd ranged from 69 to 87% and 47 to 52%, respectively

proof that use of perlite in an aqueous solution will remove cadmium from fertilizers:
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0304389402000845

and if you dont think heavy metal concentration in marijuana is a problem:

http://manicbotanix.com/hydroponic-grow-guide/contaminants-in-cannabis-.html

chucky chucky chucky, youre missing the point entirely ... yet again! the point is to remove the cadmium from the soil and the ferts before you plant./ DUUURRRRR!!! flushing after planting is only to remove any trace amounts of cadmium and to promote rapid growth as is seen in nature after periods of heavy rainfall
. DERP DEEP DUM

I get that you are worried about something that is so trace in amounts, it's like spitting in the ocean, but you do all your feel good flushing you want heavy metal boy, then go smoke all that flushed plant material,it's should be clean Mr.derp

 

[chuck estevez]

from your own link MR>DERP

Overall, this study showed that complete
removal of Cr, Ni, and Cd from clayey
soils is difficult to achieve using the soilwashing
process, and also the use of one
extractant may not be effective in removing
all metals. A sequential extraction using
different extractants may be needed for the
removal of multiple metal contaminants
from clayey soils.

ALSO, your link claims they had to use acids and chelates to remove some of the metals, Tap water only removed 40% from those specific clayous medium.
A maximum Cd removal
of 50% was achieved using any of the
extractants for kaolin, while a maximum
removal of 45 to 48% was obtained using
either acids or chelating agents for glacial
till
do you even read your own links mr.derp?

The following extracting solutions
were investigated for the removal of heavy
metals from the soils: deionized water, distilled
water, and tap water; acetic acid and
phosphoric acid; chelating agents
ethylenediaminetetraacetic acid (EDTA)
and citric acid; and the oxidizing agents
potassium permanganate and hydrogen
peroxide.

 

[ayr0n]

a list of ferts that contain cadmium: http://agr.wa.gov/pestfert/fertilizers/docs/rptFertHMWebCurrent.pdf

Fuck cadmium - look at all that ARSENIC! Holy shit I'm going to go flush my plants down the toilet immediately.


Cadmium and zinc and lead?? Oh my.

 

[purplelicious]

"because if your a plant, after the microbes break down the nutrients, you go ahead and uptake some heavy metals, LMFAO, applepoop, quit making shit up." chuck Estevez

"So smart guy, if I did get a build up in 4 months(yeah right) and I flushed(yeah right) where does this metal go? and smoking wouldn't burn heavy metals, i would have a pile of metal after taking a rip according to your theories,lol" more of chuck's asinine comments

a list of ferts that contain cadmium: http://agr.wa.gov/pestfert/fertilizers/docs/rptFertHMWebCurrent.pdf

proof that flushing of the soil will remove cadmium:
http://www.rockmagnetism.ru/articles/443.pdf

"RESULTS AND ANALYSIS Extraction Using Water . Table 1 presents the measured pH and redox potential as well as the calculatedpercent removal of Cr, Ni, and Cd for both kaolin and glacial till using the differentwater extractants. The measured pH values of kaolin were less than 3.5 using allthree types of water. Even though the pH was below 3.5, Cr may have partiallyexisted as Cr(OH)3 due to its high concentration (1.32 X 10'3 M) (Pourbaix, 1974).The presence of Cr as insoluble Cr(OH)3 may be responsible for less than 50%removal of Cr in kaolin. Other studies have shown that Cr adsorbs strongly to soilsurfaces resulting in low removal using water (Ososkov and Bozzelli, 1994). Theremoval of Ni and Cd ranged from 69 to 87% and 47 to 52%, respectively

proof that use of perlite in an aqueous solution will remove cadmium from fertilizers:
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0304389402000845

and if you dont think heavy metal concentration in marijuana is a problem:

http://manicbotanix.com/hydroponic-grow-guide/contaminants-in-cannabis-.html

chucky chucky chucky, youre missing the point entirely ... yet again! the point is to remove the cadmium from the soil and the ferts before you plant./ DUUURRRRR!!! flushing after planting is only to remove any trace amounts of cadmium and to promote rapid growth as is seen in nature after periods of heavy rainfall
. DERP DEEP DUM

I will use perlite like you. I think based on this thought of mine that its in 90% of soil mixes and 90% of homemade mixes have perlite in them they are already serving the purposed intention of leaching the heavy metals to some extent and my theory would be those metals are locked in the perlite because is a perfect host and once it is in there it is hard for the plant to access it furthermore resulting in the leeching process by perlite. I would still use it in my nutrient in a stocking like applepoop does but I would want some testing results done to continue doing that long term is a pain if it is not a proven viable method for the intention in which it is purposed. I do however think that it would work. Testing isn't cheap and growing isn't either,so I hope the results would say it helps because anything we can do to make better medicine has priceless worth in R&D.

 

[chuck estevez]

did you even read your own links, OMG, you're an idiot, read your own fuckin link http://manicbotanix.com/hydroponic-grow-guide/contaminants-in-cannabis-.html


many countries, IE, the usa have adopted regulations that determine acceptable levels

cadmium and it's components, MAY travel through soil,but it's mobility depends on several factors such as ph and amount of organic matter,which will vary depending on local envinronment.

while there is little data on the health risks that cadmium poses to cannabis users.
while cannabis is not classed as a hyperaccumulator plant( a plant that that uptakes large amounts of heavy metals)it has high biomass and capability to accumulate and absorb heavy metals in roots and shoots

from your own thread,HMMMM

 

[applepoop1984]

"because if your a plant, after the microbes break down the nutrients, you go ahead and uptake some heavy metals, LMFAO, applepoop, quit making shit up." chuck Estevez

 

[applepoop1984]

much frothing of the mouth lol

 

[applepoop1984]

I will use perlite like you. I think based on this thought of mine that its in 90% of soil mixes and 90% of homemade mixes have perlite in them they are already serving the purposed intention of leaching the heavy metals to some extent and my theory would be those metals are locked in the perlite because is a perfect host and once it is in there it is hard for the plant to access it furthermore resulting in the leeching process by perlite. I would still use it in my nutrient in a stocking like applepoop does but I would want some testing results done to continue doing that long term is a pain if it is not a proven viable method for the intention in which it is purposed. I do however think that it would work. Testing isn't cheap and growing isn't either,so I hope the results would say it helps because anything we can do to make better medicine has priceless worth in R&D.

it is true they are locked into perlite due to negative charge sites on the perlite, I have a study that used perlite as a means of removing cadmium:
http://www.scielo.br/pdf/bjce/v27n2/v27n2a08

this is from 2010 not some antiquated study chucky posted from 1972

 

[purplelicious]

from your own link MR>DERP

Overall, this study showed that complete
removal of Cr, Ni, and Cd from clayey
soils is difficult to achieve using the soilwashing
process, and also the use of one
extractant may not be effective in removing
all metals. A sequential extraction using
different extractants may be needed for the
removal of multiple metal contaminants
from clayey soils.

ALSO, your link claims they had to use acids and chelates to remove some of the metals, Tap water only removed 40% from those specific clayous medium.
A maximum Cd removal
of 50% was achieved using any of the
extractants for kaolin, while a maximum
removal of 45 to 48% was obtained using
either acids or chelating agents for glacial
till
do you even read your own links mr.derp?

The following extracting solutions
were investigated for the removal of heavy
metals from the soils: deionized water, distilled
water, and tap water; acetic acid and
phosphoric acid; chelating agents
ethylenediaminetetraacetic acid (EDTA)
and citric acid; and the oxidizing agents
potassium permanganate and hydrogen
peroxide.

This argument is rather silly. You should admit that the research is viable and needed period. In my opinion this is a matter of opinion lol. So the fact is it is in there, agreed. So we need it out, agreed. How do we get it out? R&D. I think this is simple. But if it was a concern to the masses it would be more prevalent and relevant. Most people don't care. Maybe things are changing maybe not. All you can do is fend for yourself. Make sure you are doing all that is possible and everyone you associate with has the same ideals and we can all move on and discover the solution instead of arguing. I like you guys but I am not into mindless long winded debates over something that at the core of both your conjectures you both agree.

 

[applepoop1984]

This argument is rather silly. You should admit that the research is viable and needed period. In my opinion this is a matter of opinion lol. So the fact is it is in there, agreed. So we need it out, agreed. How do we get it out? R&D. I think this is simple. But if it was a concern to the masses it would be more prevalent and relevant. Most people don't care. Maybe things are changing maybe not. All you can do is fend for yourself. Make sure you are doing all that is possible and everyone you associate with has the same ideals and we can all move on and discover the solution instead of arguing. I like you guys but I am not into mindless long winded debates over something that at the core of both your conjectures you both agree.

Winner winner chicken dinner!

 

[purplelicious]

The real problem with heavy metals is when they make concentrates. This obviously concentrates anything in the product. I have to say if metals are in there then they are just more concentrated in any form of extraction. People keep telling me that closed loop fully purged test results say there is nothing but I need to investigate more. I would imagine it is in dry sift and the highest concentration in my opinion would be in water hash.

Discuss:

 

[chuck estevez]

The real problem with heavy metals is when they make concentrates. This obviously concentrates anything in the product. I have to say if metals are in there then they are just more concentrated in any form of extraction. People keep telling me that closed loop fully purged test results say there is nothing but I need to investigate more. I would imagine it is in dry sift and the highest concentration in my opinion would be in water hash.

Discuss:

this is from poopbreaths own link,roots and shoots aren't buds and trace amount in the shoots and root is not a problem I need to worry about in this great big world.

while there is little data on the health risks that cadmium poses to cannabis users.
while cannabis is not classed as a hyperaccumulator plant( a plant that that uptakes large amounts of heavy metals)it has high biomass and capability to accumulate and absorb heavy metals in roots and shoots

 

[purplelicious]

this is from poopbreaths own link,roots and shoots aren't buds and trace amount in the shoots and root is not a problem I need to worry about in this great big world.

while there is little data on the health risks that cadmium poses to cannabis users.
while cannabis is not classed as a hyperaccumulator plant( a plant that that uptakes large amounts of heavy metals)it has high biomass and capability to accumulate and absorb heavy metals in roots and shoots

This again is just a minor discrepancy in your argument with applepoop.

 

[TonightYou]

Most people use perlite for drainage, not "leaching heavy metals". Second, this shit has been researched. Not that more is bad, but it isn't like we don't understand the mobility and acceptable levels for most elements in many products we use.

I'm glad chuck picked out what I wanted to say, did they even read the paper?

 

[applepoop1984]

absence of evidence is not evidence of absence,

http://www.pjbs.org/pjnonline/fin356.pdf

 

[applepoop1984]

Most people use perlite for drainage, not "leaching heavy metals". Second, this shit has been researched. Not that more is bad, but it isn't like we don't understand the mobility and acceptable levels for most elements in many products we use.

I'm glad chuck picked out what I wanted to say, did they even read the paper?

stuff can have more than one use . do you only use water for drinking or showering? you can do both...

 

[TonightYou]

Interesting but as the report suggests, the area is heavily polluted and that these metals cam be absorbed from the atmosphere. Certainly not a conclusive study. Interesting though

 

[chuck estevez]

absence of evidence is not evidence of absence,

http://www.pjbs.org/pjnonline/fin356.pdf

they grew some weed in africa next to some oil fields and found higher percentages of metals? you don't say

 

[genuity]

Hahahaha...
This cold has to stop,way too many people on the internet right now..