How tall are your finished plants?

lmnop5092

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On average how tall are yours?

specifically, well this is mine
-6-8 week veg, perpetual cycle
-t5 for veg and cloning
-600w for flowering
-4x4 room
-I'd say small hood field of light

They have been getting taller cause i've just been working on this strain from seed (taking bigger clones each run)
-So they finished about 2 1/2 ft and my next should be well over 3ft

Also yields by height if you can remember?

I'm in my first year and trying to get a comparison cause my yields seem to just suck
 

greasemonkeymann

Well-Known Member
On average how tall are yours?

specifically, well this is mine
-6-8 week veg, perpetual cycle
-t5 for veg and cloning
-600w for flowering
-4x4 room
-I'd say small hood field of light

They have been getting taller cause i've just been working on this strain from seed (taking bigger clones each run)
-So they finished about 2 1/2 ft and my next should be well over 3ft

Also yields by height if you can remember?

I'm in my first year and trying to get a comparison cause my yields seem to just suck
forget about height, you want tops, the more you can pack under a canopy the better, I train my plants to either have four or six tops, and then I fit them in symmetrically under the light's canopy.
everything depends on the strain, and vege time/technique.
A 4X4 area would be best for either two tops per plant or four, depending on the strains characteristics and container size.
you want to try and "fit" the container size so all your plants get even light and you maximize your floor space.
 

greasemonkeymann

Well-Known Member
On average how tall are yours?

specifically, well this is mine
-6-8 week veg, perpetual cycle
-t5 for veg and cloning
-600w for flowering
-4x4 room
-I'd say small hood field of light

They have been getting taller cause i've just been working on this strain from seed (taking bigger clones each run)
-So they finished about 2 1/2 ft and my next should be well over 3ft

Also yields by height if you can remember?

I'm in my first year and trying to get a comparison cause my yields seem to just suck
define "sucky" yields?
a 600w even with poor technique should get you at least a QP per harvest.
Dialed in you can get 3/4 to a full lb.
 

lmnop5092

Active Member
well how about 2.5 ft plants that i trained to have 7-10 tops that yield me about 1oz each I'd say very shitty haha so much work for nothing
 

greasemonkeymann

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Sorry not sure If you'd see if without notifications to your account
gotcha, i'd say you could improve a lil by training them to have four or six tops per plant, I do what I call the "six-pack" method, training the plant to have six tops that are all the same height.
7-10 tops a plant and only an oz per plant is not much, those are tiny tops, i'd say you need more room in your containers, or better soil recipe.
OR a really really old bulb...
four plant is optimal for a 4X4, that' a good amount, i'd use the 7 gallon smartpots for that, and LST them to have six colas, and you can get probably 2-5 oz per plant, I know that's a big variation, but you have a LOT of variables going on.
With the right strains and technique you could get a LB per 600, but it's not simple and you have to have good genetics..
Typically you'd get around 8 oz i'd say.
Whats in your soil?
what strain(s) do you have?
 

lmnop5092

Active Member
gotcha, i'd say you could improve a lil by training them to have four or six tops per plant, I do what I call the "six-pack" method, training the plant to have six tops that are all the same height.
7-10 tops a plant and only an oz per plant is not much, those are tiny tops, i'd say you need more room in your containers, or better soil recipe.
OR a really really old bulb...
four plant is optimal for a 4X4, that' a good amount, i'd use the 7 gallon smartpots for that, and LST them to have six colas, and you can get probably 2-5 oz per plant, I know that's a big variation, but you have a LOT of variables going on.
With the right strains and technique you could get a LB per 600, but it's not simple and you have to have good genetics..
Typically you'd get around 8 oz i'd say.
Whats in your soil?
what strain(s) do you have?
Alright I just planted my new set in their 7gallons i think i'll go in and take off some tops and veg a little before the switch, I bought a new bulb as my other went out at the end of the run

I'm using subcools mix and topped off with recycled soil from the run before
Fruity Juice by Sensi (thai and afghan)
 

greasemonkeymann

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Alright I just planted my new set in their 7gallons i think i'll go in and take off some tops and veg a little before the switch, I bought a new bulb as my other went out at the end of the run

I'm using subcools mix and topped off with recycled soil from the run before
Fruity Juice by Sensi (thai and afghan)
get something to train them on, tomato trellis' work well, loop the main cola around the circle part of the trellis and then the side shoots will grow like the top cola, then when the side shoots get to be around 3 inches high, allow the cola to match the side shoots, the key is to make sure the main cola doesn't get above the side shoots or the plant will direct more growth hormones to the main cola, you don't want that, you want to "trick" the plant into thinking all the shoots, as well as the cola, are the same height, that's where they all start growing evenly, and then you can train them to form a "six-pack", picture four plants all with grenade thick colas growing evenly, six tops a piece.
 

GroErr

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well how about 2.5 ft plants that i trained to have 7-10 tops that yield me about 1oz each I'd say very shitty haha so much work for nothing
Like greasemonekey said, forget about height and try to maximize the amount of tops for your space. There are so many factors to consider, here are some that you should review and look for areas you can improve.
1) Genetics/strains/phenos. If you're growing from seed every time it's a real crap shoot. When I grow a new strain I run at least 2-4 of each, pick the best and grow those out. The strains I like I clone, then after a grow or two you know what to expect and how it responds to training. For example, this is a 6th or 7th generation clone from a Jack The Ripper strain and a specific pheno I kept. Just pulled it last night and this is the best producer I've had yet, it's been running about a year, should produce 4+ zips in a 5gal container. Typically with no training this strain wouldn't produce any more than a couple of zips. If you're in a legal area and can buy clones, you may want to try that, most clones from reputable sources should have gone through a selection process and be hardier than any single seed grow you'll try. Since you're already taking clones I'd say genetics or pheno's you're running aren't up to par for larger yields.


2) Environment, assuming you're environment is good but maybe look around at best practices for temps/humidity. Mine always seem to respond well in flowering when I'm in the 78-82F and 40-45% humidity. Look at air exchange, my plants have responded and produced better with constant air exchange and constant circulation. Even that, a small change like using an oscillating fan vs. a fixed fan has implications, fixed fans tend to dry out the plants closest to them or in direct line with the fan where an oscillating fan provides a better and more even environment.

3) Lighting. huge factor indoor, assuming since you're talking about 600w you're running hps. I switched to CMH end of last summer and my yields per watt have improved significantly, if I'm going after numbers. I just finished running a 3x3 with 5gal plants/containers and proven genetics which is looking like 12-13 zips, from a 315w CMH bulb. For comparison and circling back to my first point, I ran a small/early flip run looking for new strains/phenos which only yielded 7 zips and included a couple of runt clones that I typically would have culled.

4) Training, greasemonkey made some good points on training, the process of training itself generates more growth and stronger plants, well worth any extra time training/recovery may take.

I've gone through a bunch of tests with different container sizes/medium and agree with greasemonely's take on less/larger and well trained plants. Consider that the only time you save in a complete cycle (veg + flowering) is during the veg stage. All in all it doesn't pay to flip early, only time you should consider that is if your space is limited/maxed out.

Cheers....
 

lmnop5092

Active Member
get something to train them on, tomato trellis' work well, loop the main cola around the circle part of the trellis and then the side shoots will grow like the top cola, then when the side shoots get to be around 3 inches high, allow the cola to match the side shoots, the key is to make sure the main cola doesn't get above the side shoots or the plant will direct more growth hormones to the main cola, you don't want that, you want to "trick" the plant into thinking all the shoots, as well as the cola, are the same height, that's where they all start growing evenly, and then you can train them to form a "six-pack", picture four plants all with grenade thick colas growing evenly, six tops a piece.
nice i took some tops off so they all have 6-7 we shall see if its me or the mother
 

lmnop5092

Active Member
well what really sucks is that the seeds were expensive, and the site says XXL yields, i figured training them into more tops as long as its uniform would produce more but...

my humidity is low as i don't supplement but i haven't seen any negative effects with growth at least (i can't see it being a factor of 4 zips just from humidity either)
and ill move my oscillating fan around every week or every other
training wise i think i can mold them into whatever, super cropping is mostly what i do with a topping here or there maybe

So i guess all else equal, besides new bulb, trying out less tops will be this experiment thanks y'all
 

GroErr

Well-Known Member
well what really sucks is that the seeds were expensive, and the site says XXL yields, i figured training them into more tops as long as its uniform would produce more but...

my humidity is low as i don't supplement but i haven't seen any negative effects with growth at least (i can't see it being a factor of 4 zips just from humidity either)
and ill move my oscillating fan around every week or every other
training wise i think i can mold them into whatever, super cropping is mostly what i do with a topping here or there maybe

So i guess all else equal, besides new bulb, trying out less tops will be this experiment thanks y'all
Yeah, definitely try a new bulb if you haven't changed it out in a while. Strains and even phenos of the same strain behave differently to training. I typically will LST/FIM all, some respond well to super-cropping and some don't like it. leaving some recovery time between the last training and the flip to 12/12 can affect them quite a bit too.
 

95'ZR1

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Imo you don't want off shoots.

i mainline to 4 tops but run those 4 tops horizontal to the floor so then each "top" actually has 8-12 tops so when it finishes each plant has roughly 40 tops each top makes a 2-3 gram nug. No airy popcorn buds.

That plant in the picture has been mainline to 4 tops that run parallel to the floor. I also put little solo cups in the empty spaces also.

I usually pull about 14ozs from a 2x3 tent.
 

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greasemonkeymann

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Like greasemonekey said, forget about height and try to maximize the amount of tops for your space. There are so many factors to consider, here are some that you should review and look for areas you can improve.
1) Genetics/strains/phenos. If you're growing from seed every time it's a real crap shoot. When I grow a new strain I run at least 2-4 of each, pick the best and grow those out. The strains I like I clone, then after a grow or two you know what to expect and how it responds to training. For example, this is a 6th or 7th generation clone from a Jack The Ripper strain and a specific pheno I kept. Just pulled it last night and this is the best producer I've had yet, it's been running about a year, should produce 4+ zips in a 5gal container. Typically with no training this strain wouldn't produce any more than a couple of zips. If you're in a legal area and can buy clones, you may want to try that, most clones from reputable sources should have gone through a selection process and be hardier than any single seed grow you'll try. Since you're already taking clones I'd say genetics or pheno's you're running aren't up to par for larger yields.


2) Environment, assuming you're environment is good but maybe look around at best practices for temps/humidity. Mine always seem to respond well in flowering when I'm in the 78-82F and 40-45% humidity. Look at air exchange, my plants have responded and produced better with constant air exchange and constant circulation. Even that, a small change like using an oscillating fan vs. a fixed fan has implications, fixed fans tend to dry out the plants closest to them or in direct line with the fan where an oscillating fan provides a better and more even environment.

3) Lighting. huge factor indoor, assuming since you're talking about 600w you're running hps. I switched to CMH end of last summer and my yields per watt have improved significantly, if I'm going after numbers. I just finished running a 3x3 with 5gal plants/containers and proven genetics which is looking like 12-13 zips, from a 315w CMH bulb. For comparison and circling back to my first point, I ran a small/early flip run looking for new strains/phenos which only yielded 7 zips and included a couple of runt clones that I typically would have culled.

4) Training, greasemonkey made some good points on training, the process of training itself generates more growth and stronger plants, well worth any extra time training/recovery may take.

I've gone through a bunch of tests with different container sizes/medium and agree with greasemonely's take on less/larger and well trained plants. Consider that the only time you save in a complete cycle (veg + flowering) is during the veg stage. All in all it doesn't pay to flip early, only time you should consider that is if your space is limited/maxed out.

Cheers....
good shit man.
:weed:
 

greasemonkeymann

Well-Known Member
well what really sucks is that the seeds were expensive, and the site says XXL yields, i figured training them into more tops as long as its uniform would produce more but...

my humidity is low as i don't supplement but i haven't seen any negative effects with growth at least (i can't see it being a factor of 4 zips just from humidity either)
and ill move my oscillating fan around every week or every other
training wise i think i can mold them into whatever, super cropping is mostly what i do with a topping here or there maybe

So i guess all else equal, besides new bulb, trying out less tops will be this experiment thanks y'all
what kind of ventilation do you have? gotta have CONSTANT fresh air.
 

greasemonkeymann

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i've got a huge vortex fan sucking in as much as my tent will hold
you do have an intake and an exhaust correct? sucking in won't do much unless the air is pressured through the room.
Just wanna make sure you have the basics correct before tweaking anything else
 

lmnop5092

Active Member
you do have an intake and an exhaust correct? sucking in won't do much unless the air is pressured through the room.
Just wanna make sure you have the basics correct before tweaking anything else
passive intake (duct elbows with pantyhose around to block bugs and light)
exhausting outside with ducting
 
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