House Republicans vote to cut Social Security for 11 million Disabled Americans

[schuylaar]

We pay all the costs, the taxes and the profit that those corporations make. If their costs go up they are not going to take it from their profits they are going to take it from your pocket.

You keep hurting yourself and not understanding why... Must be a blonde thing.

cry me a river.

earnings call..no profits..boo hoo..bullshit! they will squeeze every penny for their shareholders and take the cost of doing business (payroll) and reduce benefits all the while telling you.."if you don't do this, you're gonna have to go out to the floor and tell the support staff why they're not gonna have a job anymore"..that's how a company stays DEBT-FREE while producing earnings in a down market..afterall, how many publicly traded companies can boast?

 

[schuylaar]

As usual, I think you are very confused. A intellectual titan such as yourself ought to know there is a difference between tax avoidance and tax evasion. When you claim your children on your taxes, you are engaging in tax avoidance. When you hide your income in an offshore account so that you won't have to claim it on your taxes, then you are engaging in tax evasion. One is legal and encouraged by government and the other is a criminal offense. I will leave you to ponder which one is legal.

i'm gonna call the IRS and ask them if tax evasion and tax avoidance are the same in their eyes..what do you think they'll say?

i already know

but i can call and get transcript of the call..just lemme know.

pro tip hint: never send your return in with all zero's or "messages"..they don't like that and find no humor in it.

 

[NoDrama]

i'm gonna call the IRS and ask them if tax evasion and tax avoidance are the same in their eyes..what do you think they'll say?

i already know

but i can call and get transcript of the call..just lemme know.

pro tip hint: never send your return in with all zero's or "messages"..they don't like that and find no humor in it.

Tax avoidance is totally legal and encouraged by the IRS. But you call them and find out for yourself.

I expect a transcript.

You could just Google it, but assume you don't want to be embarrassed.

 

[NLXSK1]

cry me a river.

earnings call..no profits..boo hoo..bullshit! they will squeeze every penny for their shareholders and take the cost of doing business (payroll) and reduce benefits all the while telling you.."if you don't do this, you're gonna have to go out to the floor and tell the support staff why they're not gonna have a job anymore"..that's how a company stays DEBT-FREE while producing earnings in a down market..afterall, how many publicly traded companies can boast?

Who are their shareholders? I want in on some of that !!

 

[Saulamus]

I'm a real fan of the flat tax idea. Everyone pay a minute percentage ~4% or so with no breaks, no loopholes, no exemptions. Especially not for the mega-corps and their owners/boards. No BS about where your home office is, if you make profits from our populace, then you pay taxes on it or go find another market to do business in. Let's see how fast loosing that large of a consumer base will hurt your profit margin. For those who whine about this idea. Yeah, 4% of $100 million (for instance) is a lot of money, but most of the populace will never make the remaining 96 million that goes into your bank account that year, over the period their entire lives. I'm sorry you rich and greedy bastards, that you would have to pay a larger amount of money than most of us, but you have more than the rest of us. Get over it and pay your share.

I also believe that politicians should have to live on minimum wage while they are in office and that the U.S. enact legislation, which limits the largest total of wage/benefits package of an establishment to something like a maximum of 10 times that of their lowest compensated employee. The upper management salaries have gotten out of hand, while those who are really making the money for the companies are having to decide whether they pay their utilities, pay rent (mortgage if they're lucky), or buy food, etc...

Foreign aid really burns my ass as well. Rebuild our infrastructure, feed our children, house our homeless, provide top-notch medical care to all of our people! Then, and only then, does this country need to consider sending financial aid offshore and then only to countries who can't feed their children, care for the sick, house their people. Certainly not to any nations that have money coming out of their back ends, just so they can bomb/shell their neighbors over some damned religion-based ideals or greed for more land that doesn't belong to them any more than the land they're already on (Oh, wait! I forgot that was the US's MO in general, but that's another debate. Not a native American myself. I would have to move to Germany, should all the land the Europeans took from the natives of North America, be given back. I'm just sayin'.).

Oh and don't get me started on the idiots who claim they don't want anything to do with Socialism, while they're driving down the highway to go to a park. Or have to call the fire dept. or police for help. It's almost as bad as the idiots who are so against a single payer health system when they're using Medicaid/Medicare.

Okay, I'll get off my soapbox. Have at it trolls. I could use some amusement after thinking about all of the above.

 

[NoDrama]

I'm a real fan of the flat tax idea. Everyone pay a minute percentage ~4% or so with no breaks, no loopholes, no exemptions. Especially not for the mega-corps and their owners/boards. No BS about where your home office is, if you make profits from our populace, then you pay taxes on it or go find another market to do business in. Let's see how fast loosing that large of a consumer base will hurt your profit margin. For those who whine about this idea. Yeah, 4% of $100 million (for instance) is a lot of money, but most of the populace will never make the remaining 96 million that goes into your bank account that year, over the period their entire lives. I'm sorry you rich and greedy bastards, that you would have to pay a larger amount of money than most of us, but you have more than the rest of us. Get over it and pay your share.

I also believe that politicians should have to live on minimum wage while they are in office and that the U.S. enact legislation, which limits the largest total of wage/benefits package of an establishment to something like a maximum of 10 times that of their lowest compensated employee. The upper management salaries have gotten out of hand, while those who are really making the money for the companies are having to decide whether they pay their utilities, pay rent (mortgage if they're lucky), or buy food, etc...

Foreign aid really burns my ass as well. Rebuild our infrastructure, feed our children, house our homeless, provide top-notch medical care to all of our people! Then, and only then, does this country need to consider sending financial aid offshore and then only to countries who can't feed their children, care for the sick, house their people. Certainly not to any nations that have money coming out of their back ends, just so they can bomb/shell their neighbors over some damned religion-based ideals or greed for more land that doesn't belong to them any more than the land they're already on (Oh, wait! I forgot that was the US's MO in general, but that's another debate. Not a native American myself. I would have to move to Germany, should all the land the Europeans took from the natives of North America, be given back. I'm just sayin'.).

Oh and don't get me started on the idiots who claim they don't want anything to do with Socialism, while they're driving down the highway to go to a park. Or have to call the fire dept. or police for help. It's almost as bad as the idiots who are so against a single payer health system when they're using Medicaid/Medicare.

Okay, I'll get off my soapbox. Have at it trolls. I could use some amusement after thinking about all of the above.

It was a great rant. I liked it.

One minor thing though, Roads, fire, police and parks have nothing to do with socialism. You personally pay for those things either through property or consumption fees the city bills you for or has a secondary party collect from you. You can choose the place with the least fees to live in, under socialism there is no choice.

 

[Saulamus]

It was a great rant. I liked it.

One minor thing though, Roads, fire, police and parks have nothing to do with socialism. You personally pay for those things either through property or consumption fees the city bills you for or has a secondary party collect from you. You can choose the place with the least fees to live in, under socialism there is no choice.

Thanks! I try not to just randomly rant. However...

so·cial·ism ˈsōSHəˌlizəm/
noun
noun: socialism
a political and economic theory of social organization that advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.

Who owns/operates those? They are, by definition, incarnations of socialism within our own society. Everyone pays for them and everyone has access to them, they are gov't ran, which is supposed to be, "for the people, by the people". More specifically, I would suppose, they really belong only to those who pay their taxes and participate in our political process.

We have a choice? I'll tell that to my tax collector.

Admittedly, one can choose to move to a location with lower property values and tax rates, but for the most part, I wouldn't want to live in those places. There's usually several unsavory reasons the property values are crap and anywhere that tax revenue is rock bottom is obviously not taking care of its infrastructure or its peoples' best interests. Nice places to live tend to cost money to maintain or they don't stay nice very long. There is of course an upper limit to what is reasonable and I believe what we pay in is rarely used to its maximum, or proper, potential.

 

[schuylaar]

Tax avoidance is totally legal and encouraged by the IRS. But you call them and find out for yourself.

I expect a transcript.

You could just Google it, but assume you don't want to be embarrassed.

o'rly? so that's why FATCA is in place?..i don't think soooooo.

 

[NoDrama]

Admittedly, one can choose to move to a location with lower property values and tax rates, but for the most part, I wouldn't want to live in those places. There's usually several unsavory reasons the property values are crap and anywhere that tax revenue is rock bottom is obviously not taking care of its infrastructure or its peoples' best interests. Nice places to live tend to cost money to maintain or they don't stay nice very long. There is of course an upper limit to what is reasonable and I believe what we pay in is rarely used to its maximum, or proper, potential.

Alaska has no income tax and no sales tax.
What a shithole!!

Terrible state, you definitely wouldn't want to live there, full of crime and concrete jungle.

Montana is another shithole with really low taxes, look at that shitty place to live!!

I would much rather live in a nice clean city with wide open spaces, clean fresh air and nature all around

Beautiful majestic buildings and free built in air additives for your breathing pleasure.

 

[NoDrama]

o'rly? so that's why FATCA is in place?..i don't think soooooo.

Just for you hun, I went and asked the IRS about tax avoidance since you don't have the intestinal fortitude to do it yourself.

Here is their statement:

Tax avoidance is perfectly legal and encouraged by the IRS, but tax evasion is against the law.

You can find this information at the IRS website here:
http://apps.irs.gov/app/understandingTaxes/whys/thm01/les03/ac1_thm01_les03.jsp

Have a nice day.

Sorry you weren't able to figure that out, it was so hard.

 

[schuylaar]

I'm a real fan of the flat tax idea. Everyone pay a minute percentage ~4% or so with no breaks, no loopholes, no exemptions. Especially not for the mega-corps and their owners/boards. No BS about where your home office is, if you make profits from our populace, then you pay taxes on it or go find another market to do business in. Let's see how fast loosing that large of a consumer base will hurt your profit margin. For those who whine about this idea. Yeah, 4% of $100 million (for instance) is a lot of money, but most of the populace will never make the remaining 96 million that goes into your bank account that year, over the period their entire lives. I'm sorry you rich and greedy bastards, that you would have to pay a larger amount of money than most of us, but you have more than the rest of us. Get over it and pay your share.

I also believe that politicians should have to live on minimum wage while they are in office and that the U.S. enact legislation, which limits the largest total of wage/benefits package of an establishment to something like a maximum of 10 times that of their lowest compensated employee. The upper management salaries have gotten out of hand, while those who are really making the money for the companies are having to decide whether they pay their utilities, pay rent (mortgage if they're lucky), or buy food, etc...

Foreign aid really burns my ass as well. Rebuild our infrastructure, feed our children, house our homeless, provide top-notch medical care to all of our people! Then, and only then, does this country need to consider sending financial aid offshore and then only to countries who can't feed their children, care for the sick, house their people. Certainly not to any nations that have money coming out of their back ends, just so they can bomb/shell their neighbors over some damned religion-based ideals or greed for more land that doesn't belong to them any more than the land they're already on (Oh, wait! I forgot that was the US's MO in general, but that's another debate. Not a native American myself. I would have to move to Germany, should all the land the Europeans took from the natives of North America, be given back. I'm just sayin'.).

Oh and don't get me started on the idiots who claim they don't want anything to do with Socialism, while they're driving down the highway to go to a park. Or have to call the fire dept. or police for help. It's almost as bad as the idiots who are so against a single payer health system when they're using Medicaid/Medicare.

Okay, I'll get off my soapbox. Have at it trolls. I could use some amusement after thinking about all of the above.

marry me?

 

[schuylaar]

Just for you hun, I went and asked the IRS about tax avoidance since you don't have the intestinal fortitude to do it yourself.

Here is their statement:




You can find this information at the IRS website here:
http://apps.irs.gov/app/understandingTaxes/whys/thm01/les03/ac1_thm01_les03.jsp

Have a nice day.

Sorry you weren't able to figure that out, it was so hard.

are fucking kidding me?:

 

[schuylaar]

here you go! not reporting income from cutting a lawn is tax EVASION so i'm gonna go out on a limb and say offshore counts as EVASION...please look at the familiar theme: MONEY..if it can be counted it's considered: MONEY

 

[NLXSK1]

Alaska has no income tax and no sales tax.
What a shithole!!

Terrible state, you definitely wouldn't want to live there, full of crime and concrete jungle.

Montana is another shithole with really low taxes, look at that shitty place to live!!

I would much rather live in a nice clean city with wide open spaces, clean fresh air and nature all around

Beautiful majestic buildings and free built in air additives for your breathing pleasure.

Denial is spelled wrong on the roof of that building

 

[NoDrama]

here you go! not reporting income from cutting a lawn is tax EVASION so i'm gonna go out on a limb and say offshore counts as EVASION...please look at the familiar theme: MONEY..if it can be counted it's considered: MONEY

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The IRS ENCOURAGES tax avoidance, you cannot deny that or make any statement otherwise.

There are abusive tax avoidance schemes, (using overseas companies is one of them) but they are LEGAL even though the IRS hates them and wants them changed, but CONGRESS makes the laws, not the IRS. The IRS will certainly want to know all the sordid details of this LEGAL avoidance just in case some of it isn't so LEGAL and is actually evasion. This is where FATCA comes in.

Do you understand now? Or will I have to start making Wikipedia links for you to read? Aww hell, might as well pander to the lowest common denominator on this one:

Under the federal law of the United States of America, tax evasion or tax fraud, is the purposeful illegal attempt of a taxpayer to evade payment of a tax imposed by the federal government. Conviction of tax evasion may result in fines and imprisonment.[1]

Tax evasion is separate from "tax avoidance", which is the legal utilization of the tax regime to one's own advantage in order to reduce the amount of tax that is payable by means that are within the law. Tax evasion is illegal while tax avoidance is legal.

Emphasis added.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_evasion_in_the_United_States

Is any of this sinking in yet?

You do deduct school and medical expenses from your tax bill don't you? That makes you a tax avoider. Tax avoidance is so damn popular that there is an entire industry devoted to it, some call them H&R Block, Some call them Tax Preparers, but you call them CRIMINALS?

 

[NoDrama]

here you go! not reporting income from cutting a lawn is tax EVASION so i'm gonna go out on a limb and say offshore counts as EVASION...please look at the familiar theme: MONEY..if it can be counted it's considered: MONEY

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I have never made a statement saying anything to the contrary, do you really need to make up arguments just to win some?

Deducting your business expenses is called tax AVOIDANCE and is wholly legal. The IRS ENCOURAGES tax avoidance sistah!

 

[schuylaar]

I have never made a statement saying anything to the contrary, do you really need to make up arguments just to win some?

Deducting your business expenses is called tax AVOIDANCE and is wholly legal. The IRS ENCOURAGES tax avoidance sistah!

i can't wait to ask my CPA about that little diddy..ohhhhhhhh and i will..i'm gonna tell him the righties in my debate group encourages as the IRS does..i will post his response..maybe i'll email him so i can get it in writing.

notice the "avoidance" has to do with "business logs" as opposed to M-O-N-E-Y

so, yes, you are correct in that respect.

 

[UncleBuck]

building codes
6 foot max

we can go to 8 feet here when not facing a road. and the previous residents of this house did, right in front of the yard to our white trash, alcoholic, racist neighbors.

everywhere else it is six feet.



now that is a spite fence.

 

[UncleBuck]

The USA has no money

it's hilarious to wake up and watch retards make retarded statements like this. really a hilarious way to start the day.

 

[londonfog]

i'm gonna call the IRS and ask them if tax evasion and tax avoidance are the same in their eyes..what do you think they'll say?

i already know

but i can call and get transcript of the call..just lemme know.

pro tip hint: never send your return in with all zero's or "messages"..they don't like that and find no humor in it.

on this one he is right. Sad that at times Modrama can share useful wisdom and at other times he acts like a complete idiot. His wisdom days is what is keeping me from muting him.