Rapid rooter clones failing!

[Funkyskunk222]

I took a few clones off a health lemon skunk mother and rugburn no.6. I have the clones in a dome underneath a t5 light. The t5 is about 2 and 1/2 ft above the dome. I was misting the clones lightly 3 times a day with distilled water but now I've just switched to just watering the plugs when needed to keep them moist. Not all are dying but a few are looking alittle scary. My question is do they look dead or are they using the energy from the leafs to grow roots. I need some input I don't wanna lose any of the clones.

 

[Funkyskunk222]

Also I'm keeping the temp at 75f to 81f. Rh at about 70 or as humid as I can.

 

[Southerner]

Some of the cubes look really dried out.

 

[Funkyskunk222]

The plugs that are dried out do not have clones in them so I just let them dry out.

 

[Funkyskunk222]

I'm thinking of making a thrive alive b1 green solution to spray the less healthy clones but the rapid rooters are already pre soaked so I don't know if that would be to much for the lil ladies.

 

[schuylaar]

1. 2 1/2 foot seems far from the dome.
2. once you take the clones, put the dome on for one week and leave it..don't touch it..no mist, nothing.
3. did you use clone gel or anything?

 

[kali kid greenthumb]

I use the rapid root for cloning too ,yea your about right with the yellowing in simple terms the plant is using what food/energy that is stored in the fan leaves because there isn't any roots to get food or water thats why clones like high humidity . You can also cut the tips of the fan leaves to help with perspiration but the yellowing is what you want because it shows the plant is active and trying to make roots. Try using a root stimulator to help speed up the process ,I use roots excelurator and here's a link to a thread i posted my exact cloning method. hope this helps!
https://www.rollitup.org/t/must-have-lost-my-touch-cloning-percentage-dropped-to-40.857548/#post-11241409

 

[Funkyskunk222]

I use the rapid root for cloning too ,yea your about right with the yellowing in simple terms the plant is using what food/energy that is stored in the fan leaves because there isn't any roots to get food or water thats why clones like high humidity . You can also cut the tips of the fan leaves to help with perspiration but the yellowing is what you want because it shows the plant is active and trying to make roots. Try using a root stimulator to help speed up the process ,I use roots excelurator and here's a link to a thread i posted my exact cloning method. hope this helps!
https://www.rollitup.org/t/must-have-lost-my-touch-cloning-percentage-dropped-to-40.857548/#post-11241409

Okay, The clones are on day six. I used clonex and used a razor blade after I soaked it in alcohol. Do you guys think the thrive alive b1 green solution will help the less healthy clones bounce back up?

 

[Funkyskunk222]

1. 2 1/2 foot seems far from the dome.
2. once you take the clones, put the dome on for one week and leave it..don't touch it..no mist, nothing.
3. did you use clone gel or anything?

The only time I've opened the dome it to mist the plugs. I used clonex gel. The clones are on day 6.

 

[warble]

Remove dying yellow leaves, chop the tips of your big leaves, prop up your drooping leaves w/ toothpicks or something. PH some water to 5.8, mist your leaves and the inside of your dome. Remove your dome half an hour every twelve hours or so. If they haven't perked up, next misting try some seltzer water. The co2 will perk them up. It causes stretching, so be careful. I think the stretching takes away from root development, I'm not certain of that. I get 100% on rockwool cubes, but I lost four out of thirty two, last time I used rapid rooters. They got dry and the stems rotted. I could have cut them again and tried over, but I know when they start out troubled, then it will be slow growing. I want all my generations to have the best starts that I can give them.

 

[Funkyskunk222]

Remove dying yellow leaves, chop the tips of your big leaves, prop up your drooping leaves w/ toothpicks or something. PH some water to 5.8, mist your leaves and the inside of your dome. Remove your dome half an hour every twelve hours or so. If they haven't perked up, next misting try some seltzer water. The co2 will perk them up. It causes stretching, so be careful. I think the stretching takes away from root development, I'm not certain of that. I get 100% on rockwool cubes, but I lost four out of thirty two, last time I used rapid rooters. They got dry and the stems rotted. I could have cut them again and tried over, but I know when they start out troubled, then it will be slow growing. I want all my generations to have the best starts that I can give them.

If I used the sparkling water would I need to ph the water?

 

[schuylaar]

The only time I've opened the dome it to mist the plugs. I used clonex gel. The clones are on day 6.

did you push the clone in far enough so it's snug?

 

[schuylaar]

If I used the sparkling water would I need to ph the water?

you always need to ph water.

 

[Funkyskunk222]

did you push the clone in far enough so it's snug?

Yeah they are snug in the plugs. Lol kinda rhymes. But thanks for the advice guys. I just want all my plants to be as happy and healthy as possible just like everyone else.

 

[kali kid greenthumb]

Okay, The clones are on day six. I used clonex and used a razor blade after I soaked it in alcohol. Do you guys think the thrive alive b1 green solution will help the less healthy clones bounce back up?

yea I don't see the harm i never used it myself i did look it up its kelp derived so I know kelp does work which is basically what roots excel is. Don't go too crazy with it though too much can easily kill clones.

 

[panhead]

1st off chill bro the clones look fine & damm near the same as my rapid rooter clones , i fill all 50 sites once a week & have done so for 4 yrs straight .

Thrive Alive & Super Thrive are useless & the last thing you want to introduce into a high humidity enviroment , heat plus light plus nutrients = mold & alge .

Cloning in a humidome you cant expect to see roots popping out everywhere in 5 or 6 days , my humidome rapid rooter clones normally take 2 weeks until 99% of the clones in the tray bust bunches of roots , humidomes are much slower than air cloning or hydro cloning .

Here is what i do , take all the unused sponge plugs out of the tray & leave them out , next take each clone & make sure it dont spin in circles or is loose within the plug , a loose clone wont root , flipping the plugs upside down where the fat part is at the bottom helps keep cuttings tight within the plug then you insert about half the plug into the tray , it keeps the cutting nice & tight that way .

Next take each cutting & dip the sponge plug in room temp water daily & let it sit in the water 4 or 5 seconds , tip the plug over where the cutting is tword the floor then gently squeeze roughly 90% of the water from the plug , this helps force water into the stalk & helps prevent embolisms , the plug should be damp all the way thru after squeezing the water out , not soaking wet , once you see even a tiny root stop squeezing the water from the plugs & keep them moist not soaked or dry .

Unless your room is under 70 degrees shut that heat mat off , after all plugs have been soaked & squeezed spray them lightly with plain water once or twice a day while keeping the air vents closed , mist the inside of the clear humidome so the clones are in 100% humidity , you want the dome to have water droplets all over the inside of it at all times until you bust roots .

You should also trim away some of the leaf material , i normally trim off about 25% of each leaf , this helps keep leaf rott down , leaves that are crowded will rott & create slime on leaves .

Dont expect 100% success either , no matter how skilled a grower is at cloning he's gonna loose one or two .

 

[schuylaar]

Yeah they are snug in the plugs. Lol kinda rhymes. But thanks for the advice guys. I just want all my plants to be as happy and healthy as possible just like everyone else.

i looked at your pic again and it kinda looks like several dried out plants and i guess you removed from the other plugs.

i dunno..clone, dip, in the conditioned and nuted plug it goes and under the dome for a week..no mist during that time..that's me.

have you tried grodan? that's what i use.

http://grodan101.com/

 

[schuylaar]

1st off chill bro the clones look fine & damm near the same as my rapid rooter clones , i fill all 50 sites once a week & have done so for 4 yrs straight .

Thrive Alive & Super Thrive are useless & the last thing you want to introduce into a high humidity enviroment , heat plus light plus nutrients = mold & alge .

Cloning in a humidome you cant expect to see roots popping out everywhere in 5 or 6 days , my humidome rapid rooter clones normally take 2 weeks until 99% of the clones in the tray bust bunches of roots , humidomes are much slower than air cloning or hydro cloning .

Here is what i do , take all the unused sponge plugs out of the tray & leave them out , next take each clone & make sure it dont spin in circles or is loose within the plug , a loose clone wont root , flipping the plugs upside down where the fat part is at the bottom helps keep cuttings tight within the plug then you insert about half the plug into the tray , it keeps the cutting nice & tight that way .

Next take each cutting & dip the sponge plug in room temp water daily & let it sit in the water 4 or 5 seconds , tip the plug over where the cutting is tword the floor then gently squeeze roughly 90% of the water from the plug , this helps force water into the stalk & helps prevent embolisms , the plug should be damp all the way thru after squeezing the water out , not soaking wet , once you see even a tiny root stop squeezing the water from the plugs & keep them moist not soaked or dry .

Unless your room is under 70 degrees shut that heat mat off , after all plugs have been soaked & squeezed spray them lightly with plain water once or twice a day while keeping the air vents closed , mist the inside of the clear humidome so the clones are in 100% humidity , you want the dome to have water droplets all over the inside of it at all times until you bust roots .

You should also trim away some of the leaf material , i normally trim off about 25% of each leaf , this helps keep leaf rott down , leaves that are crowded will rott & create slime on leaves .

Dont expect 100% success either , no matter how skilled a grower is at cloning he's gonna loose one or two .

+rep

good tips, too!

 

[warble]

If I used the sparkling water would I need to ph the water?

Sparkling water will probably kill your plants. Sparkling water contains salts. If you spray w/ seltzer water you could ph it, but I don't. Seltzer water has co2 in it, not salts.

 

[Funkyskunk222]

1st off chill bro the clones look fine & damm near the same as my rapid rooter clones , i fill all 50 sites once a week & have done so for 4 yrs straight .

Thrive Alive & Super Thrive are useless & the last thing you want to introduce into a high humidity enviroment , heat plus light plus nutrients = mold & alge .

Cloning in a humidome you cant expect to see roots popping out everywhere in 5 or 6 days , my humidome rapid rooter clones normally take 2 weeks until 99% of the clones in the tray bust bunches of roots , humidomes are much slower than air cloning or hydro cloning .

Here is what i do , take all the unused sponge plugs out of the tray & leave them out , next take each clone & make sure it dont spin in circles or is loose within the plug , a loose clone wont root , flipping the plugs upside down where the fat part is at the bottom helps keep cuttings tight within the plug then you insert about half the plug into the tray , it keeps the cutting nice & tight that way .

Next take each cutting & dip the sponge plug in room temp water daily & let it sit in the water 4 or 5 seconds , tip the plug over where the cutting is tword the floor then gently squeeze roughly 90% of the water from the plug , this helps force water into the stalk & helps prevent embolisms , the plug should be damp all the way thru after squeezing the water out , not soaking wet , once you see even a tiny root stop squeezing the water from the plugs & keep them moist not soaked or dry .

Unless your room is under 70 degrees shut that heat mat off , after all plugs have been soaked & squeezed spray them lightly with plain water once or twice a day while keeping the air vents closed , mist the inside of the clear humidome so the clones are in 100% humidity , you want the dome to have water droplets all over the inside of it at all times until you bust roots .

You should also trim away some of the leaf material , i normally trim off about 25% of each leaf , this helps keep leaf rott down , leaves that are crowded will rott & create slime on leaves .

Dont expect 100% success either , no matter how skilled a grower is at cloning he's gonna loose one or two .

Thanks for the great advice! I came home after work and check on the lil ladies and to my surprise they had perked up more. I did go ahead and soak the plugs in 5.8ph distilled water. Held them upside down and squeezed them til the plugs were moist and not soaked. Also clipped off a few leafs I knew were dead and re arranged the clones from weakest to strongest that way it'll be easier to tell growth I feel like. I wanna keep some of the dying ones tho if the clone is feeding off its energy. Thanks again!