when do you consider her to be in flower stage

[Thundercat]

Yeah a few more days and you should know for sure, I would think.

 

[srichard722]

Yeah a few more days and you should know for sure, I would think.

Would be great especially since one of them has been trained and topped beautifully i think thats one of the girls really hope so id be happy if that was the only female out of 4

 

[Sativied]

Why does it matter? I never quite got that. It's not like starting to count at either point will make a difference as for when it's ready to harvest. At the end the amount of weeks 12/12 matters, when it exactly started throwing pistils not so much. Transitioning faster doesn't necessarily mean finishing faster.

The plant goes from veg to flower through a transition period. It's fully flowering (no longer vegging) once the stretch is over, about 10-14 days after 12/12 although differs per strain and veg time. While it's usually good to not switch to bloom (high PK nutes) during the transition, I clearly notice that the transition period is also not a time to boost N as it will lead to taller plants and I like to keep'm short. After the stretch I lower N gradually but only a little.

Anyway, yes N to the end (although... last few days or week, if there's plenty in the soil...). Plants nutrients without N aren't plant nutrients.

 

[jarvild]

It's just a guide to give you an idea of finishing times, not set in stone. I run bloom nute's from start to finish( except PK booster )

 

[Thundercat]

Would be great especially since one of them has been trained and topped beautifully i think thats one of the girls really hope so id be happy if that was the only female out of 4

Its always tough to wait and see the sex when you've put time into vegging and training a plant. My last soil grow I did was from seed, and after 2 months of veg and training 3/12 ended up being males. Thankfully the rest of the girls filled in enough and produced clones.

 

[theexpress]

.
.Why not N till the end?

A big boost to bring out the most is a very good thing.
Maximizing is the key not just settling for what ever you get or
whatever happens I believe.

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cuz it will taste like shit u fucking serbian baby killer peace of shit.. kurve...

 

[Silky Shagsalot]

you should not switch to flower nutes till week 4. The plants use alot of N in the first 3 weeks of flower stretching.

i don't even count the days i'm in flower, or or note when i switch to 12/12. it's done when it's done, no matter what number of days have passed, imo... i use the same/exact mix, from beginning veg, to end of flower. i still don't understand how that works in coco, but don't care, lol...

 

[srichard722]

i don't even count the days i'm in flower, or or note when i switch to 12/12. it's done when it's done, no matter what number of days have passed, imo... i use the same/exact mix, from beginning veg, to end of flower. i still don't understand how that works in coco, but don't care, lol...

Thats what im trying this grow useing the same soil, my local has a great organic soil. so far compaired to fox farms price is the only difference. keeping track of the days just for my records to use as a future guid only my second grow still working out kinks and perfecting my technique

 

[NorthernHize]

I'm a firm believer that it takes anywhere from a few days to a few weeks depending on maturity and genetics for a plant to begin to flower after the lights are switched. Its not an instant thing! Most nutrient bottles and feed schedules even refer to this as the "transition period". Indoor growers in particular seem to think they are gods of their garden and when they switch the lights the plants instantly change. It takes some time.

A mature clone will usually begin to flower within 4-7 days of a light change. Though some sativas may still take longer even if they are mature.

Now an immature plant will likely take much longer, often 12-14 days, again though sativas can take longer. An immature sativa dominant plant might take 3-4+ weeks to begin to flower even with the light change.

Take a look at the 12/12 from seed grows that some people do. Most times it takes several weeks of "veg" growth before the plants begin to flower at maturity even if they are under 12/12 lighting.

Outdoor plants undergo the exact same transition, it just gets over looked more easily because there isn't a light controller.

See the fact is that even after a few days or few weeks I would love to see your results if you were to put them back in veg. the only reason I say that is get prepared for herm's, just because the plants aren't flowering the very next day after you flipped your light cycle doesn't mean you haven't tipped that first domino. You are very much so in flowering once you flip the light cycle. I have no argument for you as to when you notice flowers or you observation on flowering from a clone.

 

[churchhaze]

I only count the days after 12/12. Anything else is kind of pointless. The transition period counts as part of flowering time.

If you tell me you are 20 days into flowering but have been in 12/12 for longer, please make sure to specify the days since switching the lights to 12/12, otherwise I will have no idea what the number you gave me really means.

The only meaningful number to communicate with other growers is to use days since 12/12.

 

[Thundercat]

See the fact is that even after a few days or few weeks I would love to see your results if you were to put them back in veg. the only reason I say that is get prepared for herm's, just because the plants aren't flowering the very next day after you flipped your light cycle doesn't mean you haven't tipped that first domino. You are very much so in flowering once you flip the light cycle. I have no argument for you as to when you notice flowers or you observation on flowering from a clone.

I have put plants back into veg multiple times after they showed sex. It was no problem at all, just took longer for the veg growth to begin since the plant had to transition back. I've also put plants into the flower room and taken them back out 2-3 days later because I decided not to flower them yet. The plants were fine, and didn't even skip a beat. When I was moving I had to leave my plants in rubber made totes sealed up for 3 days with no light, then it was another 3 days before I got my new room built and all they had was what ever light they got sitting in my basement with the totes opened up. The point being they were all fine.

Silky shagsalot really put it how I treat it. I don't really count time either, its silly the plants will be done when they are done. I run plants at all stages of flowering growth on the same nutes, and harvest which ever plants are done when needed. Typically I have 3-4 cycles of 10-12 plants each flowering all at once under my 1k in a flood table. Usually I have between 5-8 strains running that all take different amounts of time, so my harvests are staggered that way also.

I personally don't think 12/12 time really matter either. Even if you share a clone with someone, their grow will be different. That plant may take longer, or even finish faster because the environment is different. Thus you telling them it is finished after 8 or 9 weeks of 12/12 is irrelevant. Really the whole thing is a big can of worms. Since I don't bother counting days, I try to look at it from a more natural point of view.

You aren't gonna say a plant is flowering outdoors until you see evidence on the plant so I don't know why indoor growers think they should be different.

 

[NorthernHize]

I have put plants back into veg multiple times after they showed sex. It was no problem at all, just took longer for the veg growth to begin since the plant had to transition back. I've also put plants into the flower room and taken them back out 2-3 days later because I decided not to flower them yet. The plants were fine, and didn't even skip a beat. When I was moving I had to leave my plants in rubber made totes sealed up for 3 days with no light, then it was another 3 days before I got my new room built and all they had was what ever light they got sitting in my basement with the totes opened up. The point being they were all fine.

Silky shagsalot really put it how I treat it. I don't really count time either, its silly the plants will be done when they are done. I run plants at all stages of flowering growth on the same nutes, and harvest which ever plants are done when needed. Typically I have 3-4 cycles of 10-12 plants each flowering all at once under my 1k in a flood table. Usually I have between 5-8 strains running that all take different amounts of time, so my harvests are staggered that way also.

I personally don't think 12/12 time really matter either. Even if you share a clone with someone, their grow will be different. That plant may take longer, or even finish faster because the environment is different. Thus you telling them it is finished after 8 or 9 weeks of 12/12 is irrelevant. Really the whole thing is a big can of worms. Since I don't bother counting days, I try to look at it from a more natural point of view.

You aren't gonna say a plant is flowering outdoors until you see evidence on the plant so I don't know why indoor growers think they should be different.

I can appreciate your first hand experience and offer no argument. I guess at the same time genetics has something to offer in the equation. I would not replicate the situation with your grow room, and maybe I put the plant on a pedestal. i would tend to argue with the 12/12 time, but I wont. Happy growing.

 

[Thundercat]

Genetics have a ton to do with all this man. People regularly over look how much I think.

FYI I'm not trying to argue about any of this, just adding to the conversation what I've gleaned over the years. We all have different experiences, different opinions, and different grows. There are very few things in life that are definite, and I try to do my best to keep an open mind towards anything that isn't.

Hope you have a green filled day .

 

[jarvild]

I have a strain that finishes in 50 days from flip. It takes 10 days from flip for bud clusters start to form. If I was to come on here and say I had a plant that finished in 40 days I'm sure I would get a lot of flack even from veteran growers.

 

[Silky Shagsalot]

dr. greenthumb claims to have some pretty quick finishers...