If someone wants to use the Blueberry or some other strain to breed something 'better' or different, that's awesome. Its totally doable. I definitely don't pretend to think there aren't scores of people out there capable of doing things with the genetics that I couldn't comprehend. There are so many good growers and breeders out there. So if someone wants to take the Blueberry and breed it into something else, shit even if they just continue the IBL from the f5 point, I wouldn't want to stop anyone from doing that. That's good business for me and good business for them and provides good smoke for everyone. As far as what someone should call it, that's completely up to them. Just don't call it Blueberry, and certainly don't market it as Dj Shorts Blueberry or Dj Shorts strain. I've never heard of Peak seeds and don't understand the hypothetical part about working out an 'earlier' version of Blueberry and then offering it as a homage to my father. Sure seems a lot more like pirating the brand than paying it homage. Did they contact Dj to ask? Have they offered royalties for using the brand that's selling their product? Or is the 'homage' the payment? Because the other problem is that if Dj is not associated with peak seeds, then they are offering a product under the guise of my fathers brand that may in fact be sup-par. And at any rate most likely is not Blueberry, anyone purchasing these strains are then under the impression that what peak seeds offers is representative of my father work. Again, I've never heard of peak seeds and am only using them as an example.
Call it whatever you want, just don't call it one of the biggest brands in the biz to sell a few more packs.
I came here to whine and evoke sympathy? Odd, I clearly stated I expect zero sympathy. King Arthur, you're clearly a troll or 11. I can't respond to you in any manner worth either of our time unless you provide a statement worth responding to. If you're just hear to insult me, kindly fuck off please and thank you.
The reason I don't know how much seed banks charge for our gear is because 99% of the gear out there you think is 'ours' isn't. And I know for a fact that the price point on the gear is beyond reasonable, especially considering how rare it is. And I know lowering the prices would be good for everyone. However, think of the logistics involved. Its not like these things just grow on trees, oh wait, that's right….but the problem being that those trees are illegal and that I/we are conducting ourselves within the framework of a legal system. I will not go into this in detail. I won't be prodded anymore on this subject, all I I will say, and I'll leave it at this, is that if you don't know how this works, then you don't need to, and the knock-off seeds you've been buying will suffice just fine for your purposes. Once you want to look out from under the covers maybe then you'll find the beans you've been looking for.
"You just seem to have the wrong attitude completely when it comes to dealing with growers on here. I do understand how there is always 2 sides to everything though, and I am sure growing up with the life and family you have you see things quite differently then any of us on the outside of things." <<<<< BAMM!! Nailed it! Thank you DoctorFost. Yes, I am figuring out what angle to take with the growers. I understand this is part of my complication. I am new to this scene here, Im new to stepping out from my retreat. All this shit is new to me, and Im a breeder/grower. I have to work with the growers around me, and I don't know how, it's been hard. And there is a lot of educating that needs to be done on all fronts. I need to learn some things about the life and struggles of a grower in order to support them as they need, and vice versa. I am learning. And please forgive my frustration, as a community, we haven't all been playing too nicely.
I try to have respect for those using the genetics ethically. There really are too many to name, just as there are too many knock off's to name. And honestly, this is why I am not at this time naming names. Here's the thing, those using the genetics appropriately and with a set of morals won't look twice at my rantings. They know it's below them and their time is way to precious to waste defending themselves to me, even if I may be Dj's son. Those using the genetics appropriately won't look twice at this and they know they won't need to. They know that when it comes time to do the DNA testing that not only are the genetics in their shit what they say they are, but that they were also given permission to use them. I think some of the confusion in all this may be about copyrighting of brands which is a completely different thing than patenting or copyrighting a genetic. Take the genetics, make your berry out/incross. But either provide reimbursement for the use of the brand, or make your own. No one is saying don't sell the cross because it has Dj's genetics in it. If that's what people were saying, a huge swath of the strains out there would be owning Dj a lot of money.
"If you do stick around here I hope you can show us the better side to everything and show the guys what all you can bring to the table. The online community is a big part of growing/breeding these days. If you get online and are polite and generous to others your outfit will go much further then it ever has before." <<<< Thanks again DoctorFrost. Im hoping I can show a better side of myself also. I should admit again, I began this conversation quite haphazardly. This is all practice for me. Practice at saying what I think needs to be said. Thank you for your understanding. As far as the comments about Blueberry being unstable, I can attest to that just not being true. I just rand 30 females through my flower room for this reason, to test the stability of the strain. It was annoyingly stable. And perhaps the reports about it not being stable or just not being what it used to be would fit right in line with what Im saying about there being so many knock-offs (which have only grown in numbers the past few years making the authentic thing that much harder to find) out there that the complaints from the knock-offs are louder than the praises of the real thing? Especially if only 1% of the people are getting the real thing. As I've said I do know that, the overwhelming majority of whitaker blues offered just ain't what people are saying they are, and this I know for a fact, because there is only one breeding mother of the quimby available.
Tonight_You, again lowering prices is a good idea Im all about it and working hard, seems a little unrealistic though to demand that production is increased. Again, consider the logistics of it all. But I hear ya. The gravity of the matter is searching for it's center
I am not in a position at this time to verify what seed companies are offering authentic Dj Short gear or not. I can say however that give it some time, perhaps as much as 2-4 years and all this knock-off shit should work itself out. I know it seems like a long time, but most of us have waited longer for the strain we've been wanting to be released. The demand side of the supply and demand is starting to demand that we tell them what is in the genetics. They will get their wish. Soon, much sooner than any of us could imagine we will start seeing who is offering the real deal and who's not. The first thing we'll start seeing are certain products being removed from offering. Here's some advice, get to know your seed venders personally. Watch the trend of sales in their products and what they're pushing. Ask where they get their genetics. Do research on what they say is their genetic stock and where it comes from. Get to know your seed venders. I think we might be surprised to find out how many of them will make no claims of being something they're not. I mean hell, just ask them.
I think as far as what expenses go into making beans, you're all overlooking something major. It may be cheap to produce seeds, but the logistics and money involved in getting them to all of you really isn't an easy thing AT ALL!
And if you give away free Blueberry seeds with a purchase of your seeds, is that not a gimmick to sell more of your seeds? And are those giveaway Blueberry seeds a fair representation of Dj Short's Blueberry? Was his breeding mother stock used to make them? These are all question that someone who wants to know the actual intent of this promotional Blueberry give away would need to know. And anyone who doesn't actually know those questions personally is only assuming, but apparently also only assuming on the side of what benefits their wallet.
