Net Neutrality... No, really it will be faster and cheaper... Says the government.

[Padawanbater2]

That is what the clip claims, almost verbatim.

there are more than 6000 ISP's in the USA. I have a choice of 7 different ones in my rural area.
http://www.giiresearch.com/press/cg8742_en.shtml

"It's like if one store in town super promised to pay for fast roads everywhere as long as the town gave them absolute power for all the roads for ever, no backsies."

=/=

"ISP's have promised to give you greater and greater speeds just as long as you give them absolute power over the internet forever, no backsies."

Why do you suppose Comcast is the leading ISP in the US while simultaneously holding the worst company in the US badge?

 

[abandonconflict]

"It's like if one store in town super promised to pay for fast roads everywhere as long as the town gave them absolute power for all the roads for ever, no backsies."

=/=

"ISP's have promised to give you greater and greater speeds just as long as you give them absolute power over the internet forever, no backsies."

Why do you suppose Comcast is the leading ISP in the US while simultaneously holding the worst company in the US badge?

private infrastructure in public places

 

[heckler73]

private infrastructure in public places

Hot dog cart on a beach?

 

[abandonconflict]

Hot dog cart on a beach?

yeah, never had a chili-cheese comcast?

 

[heckler73]

yeah, never had a chili-cheese comcast?

Food Network?

 

[NLXSK1]

Update on my most recent run-in with Comcast; first they provide unacceptable internet service- then tell me that because I tested it I was using it and therefore they can charge me for it.

The bill also magically rose from less than fifty dollars to $79.03.

Please join my protest against self serving corporate giants by doing your account with them and choosing an alternative. If we cost them enough money, they'll find a way to behave. It's the only language they seem to understand.

Net Neutrality doesnt promise to make your costs any cheaper. It promises to give a dysfunctional buracracy that couldnt program one website given more time than it took to fight an entire world war control over everyone's internet access.

Why do people have faith in these government fuckups?

 

[Padawanbater2]

Net Neutrality doesnt promise to make your costs any cheaper. It promises to give a dysfunctional buracracy that couldnt program one website given more time than it took to fight an entire world war control over everyone's internet access.

Why do people have faith in these government fuckups?

Net neutrality isn't proposing cheaper costs..

It's about access to content, not faster speeds. You and NoDrama might be reading from the same talking points..

Do you like the internet the way it is? Would you prefer to pay more to reach less popular sites? No, right? Then you support net neutrality

 

[abandonconflict]

Food Network?

only if they are willing to pay comcast a mordida in order to make their content available to me.

of course, sites like piratebay wouldn't even be able to do that, they'd just be goners, facebook would be as fast as ever though

 

[abandonconflict]

Why do people have faith in these government fuckups?

why do you have faith in private, unaccountable corporations with only profit driving their actions?

everything you fear about socialism has come true in capitalism

 

[NLXSK1]

Net neutrality isn't proposing cheaper costs..

It's about access to content, not faster speeds. You and NoDrama might be reading from the same talking points..

Do you like the internet the way it is? Would you prefer to pay more to reach less popular sites? No, right? Then you support net neutrality

I would support the companies right to offer products and services and my right to accept or deny them.

You support government coercion at the point of a gun to make things *fair* because you feel that life is extremely unfair to you.

 

[NLXSK1]

why do you have faith in private, unaccountable corporations with only profit driving their actions?

everything you fear about socialism has come true in capitalism

Profit is not driving their actions. Their actions are driven to provide the customer a product or service they want. Profit is the result if that action is successful. Bankruptcy is the result if they are not.

I have not been forced by any company to buy a product or service but I am forced by the government to pay a large chunk of my salary to them in the form of taxes to do with as they choose with almost no input from me. Within the last few years healthcare has been added on as a demand if I am breathing. I cannot opt out, I dont have a choice in these things unlike with corporations.

Do you understand the difference or is living in that direct deposit cage made you a bit fuzzy on the logic side?

 

[NLXSK1]

Net neutrality isn't proposing cheaper costs..

It's about access to content, not faster speeds. You and NoDrama might be reading from the same talking points..

Do you like the internet the way it is? Would you prefer to pay more to reach less popular sites? No, right? Then you support net neutrality

I dont care about some internet boogieman drummed up to create a problem where none exists.

For the last 20 years my internet costs have been between 20 and 50 dollars depending upon services. The speed has skyrocketed and the cost has dropped when compared over time. There is no content I do not have access to. THERE IS NO ISSUE!!!

Right now we are looking at gigabit internet being installed and there are probably levels above that.

None of this is costing us money. Stop supporting ideas that will COST MORE AND SLOW DOWN THE INTERNET!!!!

FFS, we both want the same thing, you just dont understand that...

 

[NLXSK1]

Right now I would compare the internet to the German Autobahn. You can go whatever speed you want. If you have a faster car you can go higher speeds. It is unregulated.

I look at the concept of net neutrality as the tollway on I90 in Chicago... Everything backed up to pay a toll and pass a checkpoint so the government can monitor it all.

Companies compete and work out interrelationships. That is how we have innovation and new technologies.

You are trying to make it illegal for normal capitalism to occur by introducing a set of bureaucratic rules that have little or nothing that will help the issue.

 

[abandonconflict]

Profit is not driving their actions. Their actions are driven to provide the customer a product or service they want. Profit is the result if that action is successful. Bankruptcy is the result if they are not.

There is not a morsel of truth to any of this drivel. Profit is the only thing driving their actions. The success of a business is measured in profit, anything else is advertizement fodder. As UB proved before, people do not always purchase based upon reason or even self interest. When they do, it is necessity. Profit is the result of cutting costs and savvy marketing.

 

[NLXSK1]

There is not a morsel of truth to any of this drivel. Profit is the only thing driving their actions. The success of a business is measured in profit, anything else is advertizement fodder. As UB proved before, people do not always purchase based upon reason or even self interest. When they do, it is necessity. Profit is the result of cutting costs and savvy marketing.

So businesses do not provide products and services that people need, want and use happily? You know, like the internet, the access you have right now, the computer you are typing from etc??

You seem to want to completely ignore that people WANT the products and services companies provide. Why do you want to ignore the part that benefits the consumer and is the reason for businesses in the first place?

Oh right, it makes it so much harder to demonize corporations...

 

[abandonconflict]

So businesses do not provide products and services that people need, want and use happily?

Only insofar as it is profitable to do so. Case in point, planned obsolescence. Lightbulbs used to last decades, then manufactures came to realize this wasn't profitable, now we pay a premium for cfls that last somewhat longer than incandescant. they got us to switch by making brighter incandescants that didn't last, then brought out the cfls. This is not hyperbole, this is fact.

 

[abandonconflict]

another example, all of the innovations present in the iphone 6 were available before the iphone 4 launched, but they wanted to sell yearly models, right out of the automotive industry's playbook

 

[NLXSK1]

Only insofar as it is profitable to do so. Case in point, planned obsolescence. Lightbulbs used to last decades, then manufactures came to realize this wasn't profitable, now we pay a premium for cfls that last somewhat longer than incandescant. they got us to switch by making brighter incandescants that didn't last, then brought out the cfls. This is not hyperbole, this is fact.

Incandescent are by far cheaper and economically safer than the mercury loaded CFL's. We would never have adopted the technology was it not for the government interference.

The government has tried to make it illegal to obtain incandescent light bulbs in the USA. And you call that progress? That is better than the alternatives?? Are you stupid?? NM.

 

[NLXSK1]

another example, all of the innovations present in the iphone 6 were available before the iphone 4 launched, but they wanted to sell yearly models, right out of the automotive industry's playbook

So what? Are you going to demand the government force companies to skip over product development now? Are they somehow going to be forced to provide newer and better products cheaper??

 

[NLXSK1]

another example, all of the innovations present in the iphone 6 were available before the iphone 4 launched, but they wanted to sell yearly models, right out of the automotive industry's playbook

Were you able to obtain these features by buying another phone? Does the Iphone have a monopoly on the market? Do you have to pay a fine if you dont have an i-phone like healthcare? Will Apple come and confiscate your property if you dont send them a yearly tithe?