DNA Testing and Terpene Fingerprinting

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HGK420

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That's a good point. I haven't really messed with any cookie crosses or other stuff that's more prone to intersex
most of the herms(just nanners) that were actually winning phenos flavor wise usually grew out of it the first clone run too. One in particular I was really really sad.. Whole batch threw weiners and smelled awesome... Second run 3 different phenos that germed seed run didn't herm first clone run.. Whatever that means
 

Jd Short

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Which strain of yours would you recommend for the best odds at landing a blueberry tasting and smelling plant?
If you want something that tastes and smells like the Blueberry Id recommend the Blueberry. If you want something that resembles all the knock-off's Id recommend the Whitaker Blues.
 

Jd Short

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....what are you using for an outcross?
Looking into a 'LambsbreadXSour Diesel' and AC/DC pheno now. Unfortunately at this time I am unable to verify the linage of the Lambsbread Sour Diesel cut, but it's dank. I know everyone and their grandma has done the sour diesel crosses. But no one has done one with an f-4 Dj Blueberry boy. The Lambsbread is just for me, just for fun. Im genuinely curious about what this AC/DC pheno will offer as an outcross and what the medicine will be like. I got some pics of my AC/DC and Lambsbread pheno's. Maybe later I'll post em if there's interest.
Alright, now I gotta go now.
Peace.
 
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Ace Yonder

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It's rare that they go full Herm and drop clusters. That was the 1 in 4 packs will drop one bean that does it. Every big handful of seeds I see usually 1 full Herm is how I judged that. I usually germ about 40 at a time.

I'd be wiling to bet i haven't seen to many herms outa the companies of the last 15 packs you've germed. Look at my list back there.. A lot of diff companies some good.... Some not so good Imo. Certain genetics you can't really help it either, Death Star crosses love to show wieners, same with cookies and some OG's
You can go ahead and add "Most Trainwreck" to that list of "likely to nanner" also. Years and years before I ever started growing I noticed that almost every batch of trainwreck I smoked had at least a couple little male flowers in the buds, and Jason King even notes the trait in his descriptions of it in the cannabible. Some strains, even some very good strains, just carry the tendency. Probably hard to breed out since pot's ability to herm is part of what's kept it alive through the generations.
 
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greenghost420

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most of the herms(just nanners) that were actually winning phenos flavor wise usually grew out of it the first clone run too. One in particular I was really really sad.. Whole batch threw weiners and smelled awesome... Second run 3 different phenos that germed seed run didn't herm first clone run.. Whatever that means
i have a theory that thers 2 dif kind of herms, one thats genetic and the other is environmental. i feel those environmental herms due to differences in the way the plant grew up at the breeders house, passes on that environmental code to the seeds. then when u grow it it senses shits not home and gets those herms that adjusts to environment when cloned? just a theory...lol
 

Ace Yonder

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i have a theory that thers 2 dif kind of herms, one thats genetic and the other is environmental. i feel those environmental herms due to differences in the way the plant grew up at the breeders house, passes on that environmental code to the seeds. then when u grow it it senses shits not home and gets those herms that adjusts to environment when cloned? just a theory...lol
You could be close, I am always a little skeptical about environmental stimuli passing down through genetic code, but in the case of weed you could be on the right track since there is already kinda a phenomenon where first filial generation seeds will always mature at the same time if grown in the environment they were bred in, even if they are strikingly different phenos, that's why if they were bred in a different climate they often require a generation of climitization before they will show good results in the new area.
 

greenghost420

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You could be close, I am always a little skeptical about environmental stimuli passing down through genetic code, but in the case of weed you could be on the right track since there is already kinda a phenomenon where first filial generation seeds will always mature at the same time if grown in the environment they were bred in, even if they are strikingly different phenos, that's why if they were bred in a different climate they often require a generation of climitization before they will show good results in the new area.
i stopped chucking plants that only show nuts on the lower nodes . once iv cloned those plants they never herm again even with stress. i wont hesitate to chuck a full blown(genetic herm?) with nuts mixed with pistils. but iv never had one of those now i think of it...
 

HGK420

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Looking into a 'LambsbreadXSour Diesel' and AC/DC pheno now. Unfortunately at this time I am unable to verify the linage of the Lambsbread Sour Diesel cut, but it's dank. I know everyone and their grandma has done the sour diesel crosses. But no one has done one with an f-4 Dj Blueberry boy. The Lambsbread is just for me, just for fun. Im genuinely curious about what this AC/DC pheno will offer as an outcross and what the medicine will be like. I got some pics of my AC/DC and Lambsbread pheno's. Maybe later I'll post em if there's interest.
Alright, now I gotta go now.
Peace.
Oddly enough I think that lambsbreadxdiesel is how I heard about you from your father I think. I asked him if he had any fuel in the works and he said you were workin on something with diesel in it. He said it would probably be some time before he could get anything to market too just to make sure, which I totally respect.

But quick question, do you use a large batch of testers? Is it just you and your trusted friends doing selections? Just the same close circle as forever? Honest question, no more poop flinging lol
 

Jd Short

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i have a theory that thers 2 dif kind of herms, one thats genetic and the other is environmental. i feel those environmental herms due to differences in the way the plant grew up at the breeders house, passes on that environmental code to the seeds. then when u grow it it senses shits not home and gets those herms that adjusts to environment when cloned? just a theory...lol
This is fact. And there are probably more than two kinds in regards to breeding/growing induced hermaphroditism. The plant goes through an acclimation of sorts from all of the different growing conditions it's passed through. Remember indoor grows are controlled climates, so from one to the next the climate/environment may be different enough to induce all sorts of genetic anomalies and things that would appear to be genetic instability but are in fact an instability of the growing conditions. Even outdoor grows are different enough from year to year or even plot to plot to induce all sorts of anomalies to occur during this acclimation process. We've all seen this first hand when our friend down the street grew the exact same cut as us and ended up with something completely different. It's for this reason that when taking on any new genetics we must harmonize with the environment they came from as much as possible to make that acclimation for the plant as smooth as possible. And if we are seeing that much genetic drift from one environment to the next I think it may in fact most likely be this acclimation process creating these instabilities and not the genetics. Hence my comment about trying less nitrogen. This is the most common form of hermaphroditism I believe we are seeing. And as Ace says, I'm skeptical about this genetic drift via environmental acclimation being passed on to the offspring to the degree of being able to unlock some recessed hermaphroditic tendencies. But it makes some sense. The second most common form of hermaphroditism we're seeing is again exactly as Ace has implied only a way for the plant to assure it's reproduction. This form of hermaphroditism is in fact a sign of a very strong genetic desire to reproduce and shouldn't be something breeders are choosing not to select for.This is only what happens when we attempt to remove the male counterpart of the plant, this is my theory anyway....or one of em. We think we're in control of this plant....but it's just trying to teach us.



The other most likely possibility for all the herms are all the breeding programs out there using feminized seeds in their breeding programs because they think it's somehow faster or more efficient than doing the actual selecting.
 
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Jd Short

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Oddly enough I think that lambsbreadxdiesel is how I heard about you from your father I think. I asked him if he had any fuel in the works and he said you were workin on something with diesel in it. He said it would probably be some time before he could get anything to market too just to make sure, which I totally respect.

But quick question, do you use a large batch of testers? Is it just you and your trusted friends doing selections? Just the same close circle as forever? Honest question, no more poop flinging lol
HGK, thank you for you inquiry and interest. Unfortunately Im not sure who you were talking to or whom you think you may have been talking to that you thought was Dj. Whoever you were talking to about me and my Sour Diesel outcrosses was not Dj and I can personally attest to that for a fact.



As far as my selection process I've selected both my AC/DC cut and LambsbreadXSour Diesel cut from my close circle of friends and growers. Im in the process of forming a collective here in Oregon. We're going by the name "Oregon High Maintenance" collective, or O.H.M. The collective is just forming but we are made up of many growers from around my surrounding area which is already a complete hot spot for dank genetics. Between all of us we have as many as 75-100 amazing phenos floating around. Many of them are of the same genetics, but not many people know that…I do. The two that have clearly caught my eye so far were the LSD cut and the AC/DC cut.



And before the trolls come flooding in and talking about me ripping someone else's genetics for my outcrosses lemme say a few things. I'm putting a lot of effort into verifying the genetics for this reason. As a matter a fact anyone who knows the history of the sour diesel will understand the irony of me using those genetics for an outcross. I could easily change the name and lie about the genetics and burn the original breeder. But instead I'll play the game like everyone else and I'll show how it's done with ethics.
 

greenghost420

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This is fact. And there are probably more than two kinds in regards to breeding/growing induced hermaphroditism. The plant goes through an acclimation of sorts from all of the different growing conditions it's passed through. Remember indoor grows are controlled climates, so from one to the next the climate/environment may be different enough to induce all sorts of genetic anomalies and things that would appear to be genetic instability but is in fact a instability of the growing conditions. Even outdoor grows are different enough from year to year or even plot to plot to induce all sorts of anomalies to occur during this acclimation process. We've all seen this first hand when our friend down the street grew the exact same cut as us and ended up with something completely different. It's for this reason that when taking on any new genetics we must harmonize with the environment they came from as much as possible to make that acclimation for the plant as smooth as possible. And if we are seeing that much genetic drift from one environment to the next I think it may in fact most likely be this acclimation process creating these instabilities and not the genetics. Hence my comment about trying less nitrogen. This is the most common form of hermaphroditism I believe we are seeing. And as Ace says, I'm skeptical about this genetic drift via environmental acclimation being passed on to the offspring to the degree of being able to unlock some recessed hermaphroditic tendencies. But it makes some sense. The second most common form of hermaphroditism we're seeing is again exactly as Ace has implied only a way for the plant to assure it reproduction. This form of hermaphroditism is in fact a sign of a very strong genetic desire to reproduce and shouldn't be something breeders are choosing not to select for.This is only what happens when we attempt to remove the male counterpart of the plant, this is my theory anyway....or one of em anyway. We think we're in control of this plant....but it's just trying to teach us.



The other most likely possibility for all the herms are all the breeding programs out there using feminized seeds in their breeding programs because they think it's somehow faster or more efficient than doing the actual selecting.
well think about it, you pop the seeds. they will recognize that they are not in kansas, all the males are back in kansas, stressed bout that they herm. this is happening alot, more people are running em from clone seeing this will "fix itself". mother nature can be a bitch sometimes....lol
 

HGK420

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HGK, thank you for you inquiry and interest. Unfortunately Im not sure who you were talking to or whom you think you may have been talking to that you thought was Dj. Whoever you were talking to about me and my Sour Diesel outcrosses was not Dj and I can personally attest to that for a fact.



As far as my selection process I've selected both my AC/DC cut and LambsbreadXSour Diesel cut from my close circle of friends and growers. Im in the process of forming a collective here in Oregon. We're going by the name "Oregon High Maintenance" collective, or O.H.M. The collective is just forming but we are made up of many growers from around my surrounding area which is already a complete hot spot for dank genetics. Between all of us we have as many as 75-100 amazing phenos floating around. Many of them are of the same genetics, but not many people know that…I do. The two that have clearly caught my eye so far were the LSD cut and the AC/DC cut.



And before the trolls come flooding in and talking about me ripping someone else's genetics for my outcrosses lemme say a few things. I'm putting a lot of effort into verifying the genetics for this reason. As a matter a fact anyone who knows the history of the sour diesel will understand the irony of me using those genetics for an outcross. I could easily change the name and lie about the genetics and burn the original breeder. But instead I'll play the game like everyone else and I'll show how it's done with ethics.

O no bro.. It was your dad.. Goofy hat and all lol. He dabs from this weird metal syringe thing and barely ever smokes anyone else's stuff.. He comes to the Genesee county compassion club quite often.

And he didn't mention lambsbreadxdiesel specifically be just said a diesel cross when I asked him if fuel was coming down the pipeline anytime soon. He almost looked annoyed when I asked lol I'm prolly the 100,000 person to ask when dj's diesel or OG is coming lol.

Cool shit on the collective I'd love to run another batch of blueberry like I've said multiple times do you know the next time your dad will in flint by chance? Prolly to much to ask?
 

Jd Short

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O no bro.. It was your dad.. Goofy hat and all lol. He dabs from this weird metal syringe thing and barely ever smokes anyone else's stuff.. He comes to the Genesee county compassion club quite often.

And he didn't mention lambsbreadxdiesel specifically be just said a diesel cross when I asked him if fuel was coming down the pipeline anytime soon. He almost looked annoyed when I asked lol I'm prolly the 100,000 person to ask when dj's diesel or OG is coming lol.

Cool shit on the collective I'd love to run another batch of blueberry like I've said multiple times do you know the next time your dad will in flint by chance? Prolly to much to ask?
Strange, because my dad doesn't know about the LSD. In fact this is the first time I've spoken about it....we do think A LOT alike though...lol
 
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