2000 watts in 5x5 too ambitious?

HGK420

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Not entirely, except that it's not something the "big dogs" had to discover, it's something people from gavita have communicated to customers too, you get a rectangular and not perfectly square footprint. It's however a single square tent with reflective walls and unless you run a sog with mini plants along the edges it works fine for 5x5. Not entirely uniform, but better than 2x600/1000 or 2x anything really.
From what I've seen in the beginning everyone was going 5x4ish and 5x5. Then i saw some guys go 6x4 and now those same guys have it stretched out to 6'6"x4'6" the one guy I watched said adding the 6 inches upped the yields by a ton when he's already getting 3lb's a light...

By big dogs I mean the quality successful dispensary growers, some of these guys have 700,000k worth of flowering.. That's big dog status imo
 

Sativied

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From what I've seen in the beginning everyone was going 5x4ish and 5x5. Then i saw some guys go 6x4 and now those same guys have it stretched out to 6'6"x4'6" the one guy I watched said adding the 6 inches upped the yields by a ton when he's already getting 3lb's a light...

By big dogs I mean the quality successful dispensary growers, some of these guys have 700,000k worth of flowering.. That's big dog status imo
Right... and like I said those don't grow in a single tent like the thousands of small breadgrowers we got in the Netherlands were Gavita in 4.9x4.9 tents (150cm) and closets is very common. Raising the light includes the footprint. I posted setups with thousands of gavitas so high in the air you can't even touch them. Once you have space for multiple lamps it's actually best to let them overlap to create a more uniform spread.
 

HGK420

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Right... and like I said those don't grow in a single tent like the thousands of small breadgrowers we got in the Netherlands were Gavita in 4.9x4.9 tents (150cm) and closets is very common. Raising the light includes the footprint. I posted setups with thousands of gavitas so high in the air you can't even touch them. Once you have space for multiple lamps it's actually best to let them overlap to create a more uniform spread.
Ya that's what they are doing. 3 lights for 2 4x8 tables end to end running coco beds with a 19'6"x5'6" canopy with 3 rows of this set up per room with 18 inch isles in between. It's just insane what some of these guys pull per room. Most of the time floating around 1.5g per watt! Retirement would be callin me lol
 

Sativied

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The gavita in a 5x5 tent set is so common here (partly through the most popular dutch grow forum of which an admin now works for gavita, so they get the latest reliable info directly) it's called a "kiloknaller" aka kilobanger, named after cheap meat competion products. Doesn't mean it's limited to 1gpw, that's what people get rather effortless.

Ya that's what they are doing. 3 lights for 2 4x8 tables end to end running coco beds with a 19'6"x5'6" canopy with 3 rows of this set up per room with 18 inch isles in between. It's just insane what some of these guys pull per room. Most of the time floating around 1.5g per watt! Retirement would be callin me lol
To get over that 1gpw you need not only good budsite and plant spacing but long/tall colas, to be able to physically fit it in there, that's where professional gear makes the difference. Those small growers here pay their bills with it, as in are still commercial and a couple of oz more or less is important. Many start out with cheap/simple hps bulbs and hoods but upgrade to gavita once they sold their first harvest.

Many if not most of the larger cannabis growers here don't use gavita, they get raided by cops too often so use gear that's cheaper to replace.
 

Sativied

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When you want to get detailed about gpw, especially when testing against what everyone else says won't work, try this formula: https://www.rollitup.org/t/proper-calculation-of-gram-per-watt-ratio.843161/

I'm not saying its the de-facto, but it takes into consideration all costs.

Out of curiosity, @Sativied, woud you agree?

IMHO, if you can prove out this formula with 1kW against 2kW in a 5x5' space, I'd really like to know about it.

-spek
I recently read a story about how Jorge Cervantes supposedly made up gpw after traveling the world and comparing different growers results. Nothing saying I believe it, not even sure it was serious, but interesting nonetheless, and the supposed reasoning does align with how I'm used to using gpw and seeing it being used for decades. Which is to compare yields in rather standardized hps setups.

Veg time is irrelevant as it depends on plant count. Flower time is irrelevant (for gpw) because it differs per strain. It's based on 400/600w on 1 square meter which is 3.28x3.28 feet. When I say 3x3, 4x4, or 5x5 in these forums, I really mean 1m2, 1.44m2 (120cm x120cm) or 150x150cm (2.25m2) which does skew the numbers a little, but, 1 meter closet isn't always exactly 1 meter either. In other words, space is rather irrelevant too. If you want to use 1m2 or 3x3 feet or 4x4 even for 600 watt that's up to you. The determining factor will still be the light.

It sure is nice to know the flower duration and obviously the amount of cycles per year matters when you're growing commercially, but those variate a lot amongst growers. In the end, all that matters when it comes to gpw is gram and watt. The whole reason for the desire to add more variables is because the increasing amount of different grow setups. Adding more factors and variables doesn't make it more useful though, on the contrary. It's the simplicity that gives or at least gave it some value when comparing.

A common saying amongst dutch growers is "Light is weight" (it rhymes in dutch). Obviously only true to a limited extend, but the w in gpw is* a steady and common factor (amount of light is limited to space, although that's supposedly debatable according to this thread) so that's what we compare yield to.

*I should say 'was' with all the different settings even on hps, different bulbs, and LED.

All that said, that doesn't mean your formula isn't useful, but honestly no I can't say I agree. Is it a better way to calculate cost? Yes, obviously. Although when you get to the point that matters (the cost of vegging and other equipment) it's more about yield per cycle in total and then there are additional costs such as space and labor costs. Is it a better way to compare yields? No, imo it's not for the reasons above. To put it differently, your formula is more suitable for reducing costs, gpw is simply to gauge if you're getting a certain amount from a given setup, it doesn't serve well as an accurate measurement in a competition.
 

Sativied

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I see now there are two different yet similar threads... this was more meant for this thread then the other.
Sannie, from sannie seeds, who owns that forum that whazzup is/was admin at, mentioned this when they tested the 1000DE in 2010 already: "To be honest I should mentioned that it's advisable to use a space of 1.50x1.50m (5x5') with this 1000 watter but I'm very stubborn and like a lot on small spaces and then this is a challenge ". And then went on to test it in 4x4, which plenty of people still do too, but then they typically don't boost it to 1150 or run it at 825w. Same thing with a typical larger setup, 4x 1k watt in a 240cmx240cm (neatly 8x8feet) tent not boosted, or in a 300x300cm (over 9x9) boosted.

My comment about 5x5 being perfect for the 1k watter is based on picking between 4x4 and 5x5 tents or closets. If you can buy a 4.5x6' tent or build your own custom closet about that size it's probably worth it especially if you plant to stick with rectangular hps bulbs (it's not specific to gavita). If you hang the lamp in the middle however and got the typical 4-9 plants the light would on average per plant be divided in a similar way in 5x5.
 

Observe & Report

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1kW * $0.15/kWh * 12 hours * 90 days = $162. You don't have to yield very much more to cover that, even if you include lamp maintenance, the electricity from a bigger fan, or pay double that for electricity.
 

Dannoo93

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Waste plus you will light burn the shit out of your plants. I can pull 1.5lb off one regular hps. Look into new double ended sealed hoods
 

401bigsm0ke

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go for it lemme know how it works make a thread after you harvest its overkill cause 5x5 only needs one 1000 watt ot cover that space but if thats what you wanna do just do it 2 600s would b good tho thats even a little extra. plus 600 watts r more efficent than 1000 wat lights for lumens aspect. good look with grow
 

Frigault

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Wow okay. I was looking for something tottaly diffrent into lighting and i came across. This... I had to read... And laugh.. Lets all get it straight... All that bullshit about light is way over many's haed... 80w per sqare feet and 5x5... Lol... 2000w and hydro..

FOR FUTUR REFERENCE READ THIS.

65W Per square foot is a sweet spot for hps 80 will have heat stress and light burn.. If you know the whole mathematical equation. Tgat is.. Grow space canopy width by lengt not grow space... If actual canopy would be 1 feet thick in overall 5x5 spacing meaning leaf touch the wall and all. Have and optimal humidity temperatur control (humidifier and dehumidifier air cooled hood and a/c) and have an even PAR distribution of tge light spectrum on overal canopy. The maximum watt of light he could get from hps would be 1600w before risking ligh bleach... The center of each bulb on 2x1000 would be a sress zone. 2 600w would be better. But 4x400w woild diffuse light better. And he would havevis maximum light potential.. If he can cool it.. In an open room its no problem and 600w would be prefered over 400s or 1000s. Lifted just a little higer.. But A/C us a necessity when trying to get max out of grow space area. I've seen kilos per 1000w in 4x4 before. But i must mention 'the set up was on PAR...' not just air cooled
 
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