Oklahoma votes to ban AP US history citing "it fails to teach American exceptionalism"...

Doer

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The point is, actual Conservatives and actual Progressives are very rare. They live off the Publish Crap, gravy train, like Karl Marx, or W.F. Buckley. (that asshole)

And these are just cocktail party Ideology to these people, for power, position and purse. Then there is the Power Broker level, that probably does believe it. Then the Acolytes, that are there for future power, position and purse., and dare not question it. And then there are the ones that say, yeah, yeah, sure sure, whatever...I'm Conservative, goldangit. Or, I do believe Progressive is the only hope for man, <sniff>

After that minor, small percent of total people, are the rest of us, Most on Earth, that really don't give a shit about these Black and White Ideologies, no matter what you call them.
 
Padawanbater2

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Doer said:
Where you sit in the ivory tower only your Progressive Gods make sense.
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You're taking the things you disagree with about progressivism, then generalizing an entire group of people based on your misconceptions

Progressive: Favoring or advocating progress, change, improvement, or reform, as opposed to wishing to maintain things as they are, especially in political matters: a progressive mayor.

The reality is, the label 'progressive' is purposefully ambiguous because it incompasses a wide range of people, just like 'atheist', who all don't share the exact same ideas, they share one idea. As with any ideology that gets popular enough, it shouldn't be surprising to find a few examples of extremism, but it's incorrect to paint the whole group the same color based on that

Now, it's something entirely different to oppose the actual ideology of progress... make the things that are shitty now, not so shitty tomorrow.. I can't imagine what logical justification one could come up with to oppose that..

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It is an organized Ideology, no different from any religion.
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You're telling me you can't find one difference between Progressivism and Islam or Christianity?

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It can be soundly debunked as having no proof whatsoever.
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How can "favoring or advocating progress, change, improvement, or reform, as opposed to wishing to maintain things as they are, especially in political matters" be debunked exactly? Again, sounds like you're generalizing everybody based on the most extreme members..

Doer said:
It has it's shrill adherents that poise personal violence of thought, as we see, if anyone disagrees.
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Name one organization with more than 100 members that doesn't. Perhaps that's why it's incorrect to judge the group based on those one or two guys

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It is all about evangelizing one point of view, that dis-allows other points of view.
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I'm guessing you're referring to things like scientific theories or something that might contradict someones religious ideology. Advocating for those things is reality, it's not "my position", I just happen to hold the same position, too. So take evolution for example, I'm sure you would say that for someone to say that evolution should be taught in school and creationism shouldn't because there is no valid scientific evidence for it (same concept with climate change, sex education, US history, etc.), then that person is "evangelizing one point of view, that dis-allows other points of view", right? Well what about the other parent that says the same thing about Islam? What about the other guy that wants to teach his alternative theory to mathematics? We should just teach them all, right? To be fair and show everybody's point of view, right?

No, not right. That's not how education works. We teach what we know and can prove and is useful. Teaching religion has it's place in schools, but in the history and maybe philosophy classrooms but not the science classrooms

Doer said:
It is hate filled while it pretend to be about Peace. It is divisive while it pretends to be inclusive.
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Could you be specific and provide an example?
 
Doer

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Padawanbater2 said:
You're taking the things you disagree with about progressivism, then generalizing an entire group of people based on your misconceptions

Progressive: Favoring or advocating progress, change, improvement, or reform, as opposed to wishing to maintain things as they are, especially in political matters: a progressive mayor.

The reality is, the label 'progressive' is purposefully ambiguous because it incompasses a wide range of people, just like 'atheist', who all don't share the exact same ideas, they share one idea. As with any ideology that gets popular enough, it shouldn't be surprising to find a few examples of extremism, but it's incorrect to paint the whole group the same color based on that

Now, it's something entirely different to oppose the actual ideology of progress... make the things that are shitty now, not so shitty tomorrow.. I can't imagine what logical justification one could come up with to oppose that..



You're telling me you can't find one difference between Progressivism and Islam or Christianity?



How can "favoring or advocating progress, change, improvement, or reform, as opposed to wishing to maintain things as they are, especially in political matters" be debunked exactly? Again, sounds like you're generalizing everybody based on the most extreme members..



Name one organization with more than 100 members that doesn't. Perhaps that's why it's incorrect to judge the group based on those one or two guys



I'm guessing you're referring to things like scientific theories or something that might contradict someones religious ideology. Advocating for those things is reality, it's not "my position", I just happen to hold the same position, too. So take evolution for example, I'm sure you would say that for someone to say that evolution should be taught in school and creationism shouldn't because there is no valid scientific evidence for it (same concept with climate change, sex education, US history, etc.), then that person is "evangelizing one point of view, that dis-allows other points of view", right? Well what about the other parent that says the same thing about Islam? What about the other guy that wants to teach his alternative theory to mathematics? We should just teach them all, right? To be fair and show everybody's point of view, right?

No, not right. That's not how education works. We teach what we know and can prove and is useful. Teaching religion has it's place in schools, but in the history and maybe philosophy classrooms but not the science classrooms



Could you be specific and provide an example?
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No no. Progressive. Progressive means, like the income tax, it has to favor the less well off instead of making them more well off and paying more tax. No. About 1/2 pay no tax, for some reason. And it is getting worse. Progressive means we don't track how many are actually becoming tax payers instead of in the earned income brackets, for example. And every Ideology has flowery prose, to extol the benefits. But, just like Conservative or Catholics, those benefits are for "later." Neither can be proven to be prosperous.

noun
noun: progressive; plural noun: progressives; noun: progressive proof; plural noun: progressive proofs
1.
a person advocating or implementing social reform or new, liberal ideas.
synonyms:




innovator, reformer, reformist, liberal, libertarian
"he is very much a progressive"
 
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overgrowem

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Doer said:
War is hell. Move on.
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Move on ??? The course is AP. HISTORY, that's about the past not the future....By the way, the trail of tears had to do with resettlement not war, although it is vaguely comparable to the Bataan Death March.
 
Doer

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overgrowem said:
Move on ??? The course is AP. HISTORY, that's about the past not the future....By the way, the trail of tears had to do with resettlement not war, although it is vaguely comparable to the Bataan Death March.
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War is hell. Move on from resentment.
 
see4

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nitro harley said:
see4.

I guess you don't watch the factor?
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That would be an affirmative. I only youtube his out takes when he gets man handled by his guests when he isn't talking over them or yelling at them.

Gotta love how it shows, "Fox News" in the lower corner of the screen during his "show", along with Hannity and the rest of the rat pack.
 
nitro harley

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see4 said:
That would be an affirmative. I only youtube his out takes when he gets man handled by his guests when he isn't talking over them or yelling at them.

Gotta love how it shows, "Fox News" in the lower corner of the screen during his "show", along with Hannity and the rest of the rat pack.
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see4.

I liked bill a lot more before his war on pot. I don't watch it at all sense I moved.
 
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