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[Guitar Man]

My bad on your lights I had it in my head as I was typing that you said 2 250's it was 2 150's ( I had to go look again LOL )

And I have to disagree on it being a 100% strain thing as I have made many strains tric up like that

Do you flower all of your Stains, using the same time length? I grow a Purple Cookie Indica that is a total different animal than my Sour Diesel.

 

[TheChemist77]

6.5 + .5 = 7 ,, 7 + 4 = 11 ,, 11 + 13 = 24

sorry didnt see the point in front of the 5,,thanks

 

[RM3]

Do you flower all of your Stains, using the same time length? I grow a Purple Cookie Indica that is a total different animal than my Sour Diesel.

Yes, because my thing is all about early true amber, my garden is dialed in to bring out this rare genetic trait and I breed for it. I'm all about your fathers weed LOL

I read all the crap about how todays weed is not your fathers weed and I said, You got that right, our weed blew todays weed away completely. I have spent years dialing my garden to get those old Sats back with all they had to offer and have done so with several strains

 

[harris hawk]

Indica's take about 8 weeks (= -) Sativa's can take up to 12-16 weeks - now Hybrids can take anywhere fro 8-12 weeks Depends on gentics/strain

 

[Kush Killington]

Lots of documentation on the Gas Lantern Routine, tis used by greenhouses and def boost the flower response I have watched it and it expresses in several ways. They show sex (once mature) they have more bud sites, they flower faster, they stretch less

Hey bro do yu use clones?
I been using the 12/1 cycle for awhile but had to switch to 16/8 cause my clones wud flower. Jus curious what light cycle yu use for clones or if yuve noticed this as well?
I've read yu shud clone with 16/8 then veg 12/1 but found no reason for it. I assume its because of clones flowering but this issues isnt consistent between phenos. I gotta weed out the ones that flower instead of veg when cloned. Lol.
Unfortunately i have no space to run a seperate clone area atm.
The 12/1 cycle is legit thou. Plants flower very quickly after switch with no stretch. I flowered out my sativas at 18"-20" and they ended around 30. None of them even double in height wen i was expecting 3-4x.

Straight up if yu want tight nodes and crazy budsites, find a way to incorporate the 12/1 cycle. Plants sex faster to and look like they're flowering in veg. I advice 2 seperate lights instead of one light cycling on and off twice a day. Though im not really sure how much itll shorten yur ballast/bulbs life span.

Sir KK

 

[RM3]

Hey bro do yu use clones?
I been using the 12/1 cycle for awhile but had to switch to 16/8 cause my clones wud flower. Jus curious what light cycle yu use for clones or if yuve noticed this as well?
I've read yu shud clone with 16/8 then veg 12/1 but found no reason for it. I assume its because of clones flowering but this issues isnt consistent between phenos. I gotta weed out the ones that flower instead of veg when cloned. Lol.
Unfortunately i have no space to run a seperate clone area atm.
The 12/1 cycle is legit thou. Plants flower very quickly after switch with no stretch. I flowered out my sativas at 18"-20" and they ended around 30. None of them even double in height wen i was expecting 3-4x.

Straight up if yu want tight nodes and crazy budsites, find a way to incorporate the 12/1 cycle. Plants sex faster to and look like they're flowering in veg. I advice 2 seperate lights instead of one light cycling on and off twice a day. Though im not really sure how much itll shorten yur ballast/bulbs life span.

Sir KK

Yes I do clones (and seeds) I simply added a half hour to the one in dark to stop em from trying to flower, seems to be a strain thing. Hell i've rvegged one under 12/1

 

[Kush Killington]

Yes I do clones (and seeds) I simply added a half hour to the one in dark to stop em from trying to flower, seems to be a strain thing. Hell i've rvegged one under 12/1

Funny yu say that. I was gonna try a 2 hr break in dark but am not in much of a position to experiment.
I actually started all my plants from seed under 12/1 just fine, but clones seem to flower haha.
I'll have to try adding another 30min. The growth jus aint the same comparing 12/1 to 16/8.
Less sites, more stretch, yuck!

Sir KK

 

[RM3]

Remember that little TE that was tricin up at 3 weeks, well it has been 5 and a half weeks now and she is lookin pretty good

 

[Guitar Man]

Remember that little TE that was tricin up at 3 weeks, well it has been 5 and a half weeks now and she is lookin pretty good
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They look nice, but nothing special IMO. Here's some frost from just my normal grow, doing it the easy, cheesy, way.

 

[RM3]

They look nice, but nothing special IMO. Here's some frost from just my normal grow, doing it the easy, cheesy, way.

They look great ! but are done (harvested) and mine have 4 more weeks to go, so I have to ask how did they look at 5 weeks ?

Never said mine were special LOL

 

[Guitar Man]

They look great ! but are done (harvested) and mine have 4 more weeks to go, so I have to ask how did they look at 5 weeks ?

Never said mine were special LOL

Thanks. That strain is kick ass in every way. I've shared that grow/smoke with professional commercial growers who said it was some of the best cannabis they've ever smoked. I was born in San Francisco and raised in the Bay Area during the 60-70's, so I have many friends in the industry who know their shit.

I did look at your pictures at 3 weeks, and then 5 weeks. I don't see a lot of difference between the 2, but pictures are deceiving sometimes. I'm not saying your buds look bad, I'm just saying they look normal. You are also fucking with the lights, attempting to stir the flowering into something different, but the end product is the end product.

I really want to see them when they are finished. Your plants look great but I don't see the benefit of going too far outside of nature to get quality, good weed. Like Uncle Ben says about his topping technique, "Easy cheesy!", and that's how I like to do it. There's too many potions and lotions in this business that can lead a grower into wasting precious time on nothing but nothing.

I did mention this already, but you are growing in plastic. That would be the first big change I would make in your grow, instead of messing with the lights or doing any other experiment. That root ball is the life source of your plant.

 

[RM3]

Thanks. That strain is kick ass in every way. I've shared that grow/smoke with professional commercial growers who said it was some of the best cannabis they've ever smoked. I was born in San Francisco and raised in the Bay Area during the 60-70's, so I have many friends in the industry who know their shit.

I did look at your pictures at 3 weeks, and then 5 weeks. I don't see a lot of difference between the 2, but pictures are deceiving sometimes. I'm not saying your buds look bad, I'm just saying they look normal. You are also fucking with the lights, attempting to stir the flowering into something different, but the end product is the end product.

I really want to see them when they are finished. Your plants look great but I don't see the benefit of going too far outside of nature to get quality, good weed. Like Uncle Ben says about his topping technique, "Easy cheesy!", and that's how I like to do it. There's too many potions and lotions in this business that can lead a grower into wasting precious time on nothing but nothing.

I did mention this already, but you are growing in plastic. That would be the first big change I would make in your grow, instead of messing with the lights or doing any other experiment. That root ball is the life source of your plant.

I actually posted the pics to simply bump the thread, I suppose I could've just typed "bump" but felt it was better to bump it with bud porn.

I don't use any of the potions or lotions available in this industry, so not really sure what your point was? I don't use any training methods, I just let plants grow.

And I actually prefer the plastic pots, I have no issue with yield or roots or whatever

and I have learned a lot playing with my light experiments, I was simply trying to share that info with others that might be interested.

And I have no problem puttin my end product up against any.

I will for sure post pics when they are finished, I like takin pics

 

[bellcore]

Hey Riddle, any idea if the UVB fluorescent bulbs put off more heat than the 2700k/6500k type bulbs?

 

[RM3]

Hey Riddle, any idea if the UVB fluorescent bulbs put off more heat than the 2700k/6500k type bulbs?

They feel the same, but honestly hard to tell for sure in the middle of 18 of em

 

[TheChemist77]

They feel the same, but honestly hard to tell for sure in the middle of 18 of em

hey rm3, whats ur take on the 7,200 k mh bulbs in compare to the normal 6,400 k mh bulbs..from what i learned,, and now trying to relearn was that lower k is for flower, higher k for veg as lower is more red wile higher is more blue...now we are finding that an even distribution of red and blue is even better correct? if so would using the 7,200k be a better balanced bulb..ive also been told not sure its true that the 2,000k bulb is more balanced than the 2.700k bulb??

 

[RM3]

hey rm3, whats ur take on the 7,200 k mh bulbs in compare to the normal 6,400 k mh bulbs..from what i learned,, and now trying to relearn was that lower k is for flower, higher k for veg as lower is more red wile higher is more blue...now we are finding that an even distribution of red and blue is even better correct? if so would using the 7,200k be a better balanced bulb..ive also been told not sure its true that the 2,000k bulb is more balanced than the 2.700k bulb??

I went and looked at the Plantmax
http://www.amazon.com/Plantmax-PX-MPS1000-7K-Discontinued-Manufacturer/dp/B00A4FMQQW
Which is discontinued and no longer available

It had a WONDERFUL spectrum

 

[RM3]

I would be more apt to use a 10,000K MH

this is a Solistek 600 watt 10000K MH

 

[churchhaze]

If you're already set in your ways, I can understand why you would stick to what you're familiar with .... however....

These fluorescent lamps would be better used in a fish-tank than for growing weed, and even there, reefers are quickly ditching the tubes for cree cobs.

I know there was a specific argument made by RM3, but the tried and true reality is that florescent are both inefficient at converting electricity to photons, and way too high in blue. While it's nice to experiment, I know from first hand experience that these designer spectrum fluorescent tubes are somewhat of a novelty, and that actinic tubes in particular are actually the lowest value. I did see more frost from the actinic tubes, but it also lengthened flowering. I actaully have pictures of my 500W tube array and the finished plants on weedfarmer.com from back in the early 2000s if that still exists. (I don't think it does)

RM3, I know you never intended to argue that florescent are better than HPS for flowering, but I am, however, willing to argue the other way around. HPS lamps are far superior to ANY fluorescent tube available on the market when it comes to flowering. In my opinion, this thread is very misleading, and doesn't really focus on any of the advanced aspects of light, in fact everyone seemed to glaze over when discussing phytochromes, which technically should be one of the only things being discussed in this advanced thread.

Instead, it's turned into a discussion about which color temperature flourescent lamps to buy.

For about 2 decades now, HPS has beaten all fluorescent tubes, t5s, high output.. whatever. fluorescent is dino tech, and should be phased out slowly. For cree cobs.

Especially in veg!!

 

[ibsippin]

Google Mid day depression in plants and read up on it.

This morning, I read this thread ,,,,
Google Mid day depression in plants and read up on it. View attachment 3311363 View attachment 3311364

dude you changed the game right here... thanks for the info

 

[churchhaze]

The thing is that members in the led section have been testing various spectrums for years now, and it turns out that nothing beats 3000k 80cri white.

That warm white 3000k 80cri spectrum has been producing over 1gpw in just about everyone's setup.

As a side note, there are about 10 people in the LED section doing experiments with 730nm leds to manipulate darkness periods and R:FR ratio. The discussion on light here seems way less advanced.