mar2 1200 just didnt cut it.

[Lighterfighter]

Hey I ran a mars 2 1200 and It jsut didnt make the cut, for what a 600W hps woulda produced it was way loooowwww. I seent it. Sooo, where to go from here... I am highly confused at what is best, but i do believe in the power of led (the smells too, mmmmmmmmmmmmm). there is a million led companies that look exactly alike and some with different warranties. I was highly considering the following

Apollo 120x3w

Bonsai hero 150http://www.bonsaihero.com/index.php/led-growlight-150-watthttp://www.bonsaihero.com/index.php/led-growlight-150-watt

A51 150

Advanced Platinum Series P450

200w Diamond Series LEDs

Grow sun

advancedledgrow.com has other lights I am unsure about. but that grow sun looked cool
http://advancedledlights.com/3w-led-grow-lights/new-diamond-series-leds-extreme-3w-led-technology/
there are alot of options but these were the ones I thought would be best. Please help me decide. If you have alot of exp with brands let me know whats up. I had good smell low quantity, Dont wanna waste more chedda. I am interested in cob lights to, just so much convoluted info out there I am having trouble sorting through the bs. IF I can make my own I have the ability to, just not the knowledge. I am shooting for like 400-600$ budget range. any resources, advice, or good reads im down. I appreciate it. No bashing, I see the other threads get bash heavy. show data or quantifiable exp, so we can keep it constructive. Im especially interested to hear about yields and umols DDD.

 

[churchhaze]

1 pound.

Im especially interested to hear about yields

 

[Lighterfighter]

you could get like 2 pounds in tomatoes lol

 

[SupraSPL]

Hey LF, my new favorite to recommend is Optic Vero 29. This model uses a pair of genuine Bridgelux Vero 29s running at 2.1A (79W ea) and genuine 90% efficient Mean Well drivers. It is the only commercial all white COB lamp available, so I reached out to the company to see if the parts were legit and they sent me a sample (Vero 18 model). It had some heat issues so they upgraded the cooling and now it passes my test with flying colors. (I did not use it to flower yet, just testing the temp performance). I estimate the Vero29 model I linked is 39.5% efficient at operating temp, the most efficient commercial lamp by far, and the cheapest/PAR W at the same time. It remains untested in the grow room, but on paper it is the best available. They gave us a discount code for 10% off + free shipping "supraspl".

Some other lamps worth mentioning: Amare has a few Cree COBs mixed in, but I am not sure of its availability. The A51 is tested and proven, but having availability issues I believe? The Onyx Grow is a decent choice, very cheap/PAR W but uses frosted lenses. The California Light Works got away from generic LEDs and went with OSRAM. The Apache uses Nichia. The HANS uses good diodes but I am curious about the operating temp and temp droop.

Anything that is using generic LEDs, you would be better off with HPS

 

[zippi]

At the moment i run a mars 144x3reflector for veg and mums etc did one full crop with it..Yield was down slightly compared to the 400w sodium it replaced..Resin content and flavour is better although the buds are smaller but still firm..
I now have hans 150watt panel which is brighter than the mars to my eyes..I also have a Grownorthern HS1 which is 75 watts and i am flowering with it now only 1 week in though and its got tight nodes and lush growth..
The Grownorthern is an space 1mx.5 2m high it covers it ok,will prob chuck the Hans in there next time and use the GN unit in a space 1.2x800 1.8 which is the mum and veg space..
Mars is ok for small spaces if you get bigger than you need it worked well in the 1.2x800 in flower when i used it although it draws 300w in flower mode 250 veg irc..
I would say to people if you new to all this learn to grow well with sodiums etc then move on to led..

 

[blowincherrypie]

Hey LF, my new favorite to recommend is Optic Vero 29. This model uses a pair of genuine Bridgelux Vero 29s running at 2.1A (79W ea) and genuine 90% efficient Mean Well drivers. It is the only commercial all white COB lamp available, so I reached out to the company to see if the parts were legit and they sent me a sample (Vero 18 model). It had some heat issues so they upgraded the cooling and now it passes my test with flying colors. (I did not use it to flower yet, just testing the temp performance). I estimate the Vero29 model I linked is 39.5% efficient at operating temp, the most efficient commercial lamp by far, and the cheapest/PAR W at the same time. It remains untested in the grow room, but on paper it is the best available. They gave us a discount code for 10% off + free shipping "supraspl".

Some other lamps worth mentioning: Amare has a few Cree COBs mixed in, but I am not sure of its availability. The A51 is tested and proven, but having availability issues I believe? The Onyx Grow is a decent choice, very cheap/PAR W but uses frosted lenses. The California Light Works got away from generic LEDs and went with OSRAM. The Apache uses Nichia. The HANS uses good diodes but I am curious about the operating temp and temp droop.

Anything that is using generic LEDs, you would be better off with HPS

How much would something like that cost to make?

 

[werm11]

How much would something like that cost to make?

Cherrypie beat me to the question.

 

[zippi]

less than that charge i reckon doubt they get parts exclusive to them..Like the frankenstein case..

 

[churchhaze]

Before drying, sure. How much would those tomatoes weigh after a good sun dry/cure?

you could get like 2 pounds in tomatoes lol

 

[Lighterfighter]

mm sun dried tomatoes, as long as they aren't grilled or cooked. I actually saw HGL(hydrogrowlight) had a lab study where they gave their light to a lab of students and an advanced led came out with 2 pounds, and over 4 with the hgl. If you want I can pull the study. I really have been looking at platinum led. Im like on the verge. I have actually read alot of your posts church, good to see knowledgeable peeps.

Hey LF, my new favorite to recommend is Optic Vero 29. This model uses a pair of genuine Bridgelux Vero 29s running at 2.1A (79W ea) and genuine 90% efficient Mean Well drivers. It is the only commercial all white COB lamp available, so I reached out to the company to see if the parts were legit and they sent me a sample (Vero 18 model). It had some heat issues so they upgraded the cooling and now it passes my test with flying colors. (I did not use it to flower yet, just testing the temp performance). I estimate the Vero29 model I linked is 39.5% efficient at operating temp, the most efficient commercial lamp by far, and the cheapest/PAR W at the same time. It remains untested in the grow room, but on paper it is the best available. They gave us a discount code for 10% off + free shipping "supraspl".

Some other lamps worth mentioning: Amare has a few Cree COBs mixed in, but I am not sure of its availability. The A51 is tested and proven, but having availability issues I believe? The Onyx Grow is a decent choice, very cheap/PAR W but uses frosted lenses. The California Light Works got away from generic LEDs and went with OSRAM. The Apache uses Nichia. The HANS uses good diodes but I am curious about the operating temp and temp droop.

Anything that is using generic LEDs, you would be better off with HPS

yea Generic just isnt there. It was also highly sativa so its partially to be expected quantity wise. but quality was great. so Hans is missing white spectrum completely and is supper stubborn from what I read. Looks kinds cool, but costly for the watts I thought. I should really try to make him a new site cause it is really bad too lol.

-osram top bin ect. I have read about bins and osram. Top bins are best due to clarity, which exponentially affects the lights ability to efficiently make it through the diode- menaing more par output at plant level. Read a bit about lenses too. frosted lenses are known as difusers when it comes to my rave gloves as a kid lol. intended to diffuse the light and make it more dispersed and less direct. I wonder the output affect on range and concentraition of the light(or footprint and mols). untested scares me to. cause the mars are tested and people got mroe then i did with less. Its a bit to be expected when converting to new methodologies. I know I can d more but got a 4x4 table. so another is needed anyway, Keep it coming guys.

 

[Lighterfighter]

At the moment i run a mars 144x3reflector for veg and mums etc did one full crop with it..Yield was down slightly compared to the 400w sodium it replaced..Resin content and flavour is better although the buds are smaller but still firm..
I now have hans 150watt panel which is brighter than the mars to my eyes..I also have a Grownorthern HS1 which is 75 watts and i am flowering with it now only 1 week in though and its got tight nodes and lush growth..
The Grownorthern is an space 1mx.5 2m high it covers it ok,will prob chuck the Hans in there next time and use the GN unit in a space 1.2x800 1.8 which is the mum and veg space..
Mars is ok for small spaces if you get bigger than you need it worked well in the 1.2x800 in flower when i used it although it draws 300w in flower mode 250 veg irc..
I would say to people if you new to all this learn to grow well with sodiums etc then move on to led..

I am pushing 570w w mars 2. 1200 I can use that man and get 3x the yield. I have read. I prolly could get 2x my first run the 2nd go around w it. As i have alot of exp w hps. not as much w led. this is why I am calling on help. And the guys at the local shop suck when asked about the deets.

 

[zippi]

IMO its all about training to get an even canopy and good general horti practice..%80 is getting the environment dialled in as led are cooler so maybe need to add a heat source..Also lots of people turn down the extractor fan as its cooler i do not do this as plants still need plenty of fresh air..I also use calmag with my feed schedule as led seem to make the leaves deficient.
If you can get good results with sodiums and adjust your system to led you should be happy with results..

 

[Lighterfighter]

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If you can get good results with sodiums and adjust your system to led you should be happy with results..

maybe, but im saying my first cheap led is not the best. I have already been veging under 1200 mars if you want a pic, but I topped em for 4 main colas and stressed em a bit. Letting leaf count jump back up to 7 or 9 before flipping. The 1200 wont cover the 4x4 table in the 5x5x room. Straight up. I am even looking to replace the hps cause quality is more important then maybe 1/4 the yield i could miss out on. and I agree. Sativcas beeing stretchy, not a good pick for the test run but atf is bomb lol. that is why i am confident 2x that is manageable. leds finish faster!!!! if yall want pics i got all sorts of pics form my mars ruin, i mean run ;D just didnt care to share as it provides nothing of value to the conversations. a bit sad I fell for the marketing tactic or general assumption of more watts is better output. (general hps theory) but completely invalid from what ive seen about leds. I also read that running higher temp room temps are neccisary due to lower heat output, leaf temperatures arent high enough. Prompting me to test close my mars n there it hit 87 with exaust. I then considered investing in co2 instead of light, but co2 wont add girth without all the other variables being right. Just to be clear, I didnt have any issue regarding deficiencies or nutrients( .... not like I do with hps) and i didnt push the light to close like most cause no white nugs. I do flushing for my hps room 2x more often then led when running 50/50 coco/perl and 2x or 3x flood a day. its just a matter of the light aint cutting it and if I can find out how to get the most bang for my buck id be a little happier with leds. I really think the community should take control of the sitch and we need to let others know, I spent like 3 days reading so far to gather all the info that I have, but it doesn't help their sales forces infiltrate sites and post falsified info too.

 

[zippi]

I think some people remove the glass from in font of the panel to stop light loss...I did see it somewhere but can't remember as i am stoned...

 

[Greengenes707]

Out of all you choices you listed a51 takes the cake and the bride with it. Higher quality and efficient components and a design that capitalizes on it better than the others too.
Hans can be real good, but I wouldn't recommend them for someone trying to take down a bigger hps.

Do you mind me asking what you pulled with your mars's?

 

[zippi]

If you mean me got five ish from 3 small ugorg1 2nft 1hand watered in clay balls as experiment ,no popcorn as that made other stuff which was 11g dry sift...
Could have run another 5 if i had planned better i like to stay under 8 plants..

 

[Lighterfighter]

I think some people remove the glass from in font of the panel to stop light loss...I did see it somewhere but can't remember as i am stoned...

I like it zipp! Yea I read that as well, i believe it was 7-10% par output. but it wasnt backed by data. and i didnt want to start fucking with it on my first run lol. no worries green about 90g lol. they were changed right after transplanting from red cups. first try i ran hps style bushes in there and they all came out total nitrogen tox and not enogh light (basically didnt move for a whole week in week 4 so i pulled) everything suffered so i scaled down A BIT. I dont do that with my hps cause they are ebb and flow buckets so they are on the ground the led is a elevated table. I am sure I could double that with better efforts though. I just called platinum led and they made a hefty claim. They "said" they had a user beat The HGL light, which HGL offers a 5k bounty on right now lol. Thats be a sick run and free chedda. put both on credit card. Get 5k or return the platinum lights and a free run lol. idk just bsing now, but Im not sure if HGL is as good as they say. I found that platinum Is now running 12 bands I think they added uva or b which ever they were lacking. sounds like they mean business too w 5 year warranty, and par output statements. lastly, thay stated a pull from 1200 of thiers is like 1.5lb which is comp to a good 600 or maybe a ok 1k. He offered me the old spectrum at a discounted rate. for the p150, they are backordered on the p600's :"( itd cost 60 more for the 4xp150 then the p600, not sure if the mobility would be beneficial at the increased rate. Also they have par outputs on youtube

Out of all you choices you listed a51 takes the cake and the bride with it. Higher quality and efficient components and a design that capitalizes on it better than the others too.
Hans can be real good, but I wouldn't recommend them for someone trying to take down a bigger hps.

Do you mind me asking what you pulled with your mars's?

Their top tier light is a bit to much for me like 1k or somthing. I saw thier smaller light was in reach, you have used their 600, but how is ther 150? what coverage like and umols or exp with yeild?? I guess the costs go up when you work with nasa, Not like thier budget paid for the research. or did it? either way I heard stellar things about apache.

 

[Lighterfighter]

the mars 2 1200 could do a half pound. I wont argue with people but they run hot and are really inefficient.not quite what people think when considering led. lol. and youd miss out on almost full p for a hps on the table easy. I would almost say 4 of the mars 900 would fit the table. but thats be 1800w lol and maybe the same quantaty. lol so dumb to bump the math out. as 2 apaches would murder that table im sure.

 

[Lighterfighter]

i am not sure a bout rules on links, but on another forum I found almost 400 g harvest from p450 (really is was 792/2 cause 2 lights)

 

[Greengenes707]

Their top tier light is a bit to much for me like 1k or somthing I saw thier smaller light was in reach, you have used their 600, but how is ther 150? what coverage like and umols or exp with yeild?? I guess the costs go up when you work with nasa, Not like thier budget paid for the research. or did it? either way I heard stellar things about apache.

I said a51...which is what you asked about.
Yes, I run Apache's...the ones no one ever sacks up to get, but always drools over and wants them. But I am a realist that knows people tendencies, and thus suggest the comparable and cheaper single panel a51.

a51 24" give the truest 3x3 coverage. If in a smaller area, you could drop it to 18" and cover.


Look around for grows...they are everywhere on here. And was more before cobs came to town.