Want to hang my HiDs (pic inside)

[indicat33]

Yeah I agree, I started with CFLs too and by the time you spend all the money for all the sockets, adapters etc you just created an expensive fire hazard (not saying the OP did, I know I did) that cost almost the same as a $110.00 cheap 250 kit.

~ Exactly, Frosty HPS Lamp all the way. Too many reasons to list (yeah, i'm being a lazy bastard)

 

[FrostyPelican]

going to get either the apollo or ipower 400w since its only $20 more then the 250w.

Im going to take the socket off the hood and make it vertical because that would fit my growroom best anyway. Going to hang it vertically inbetween 2 plants.

Cool, you'll be happy with it and have much better results. When they ship it to you the reflector (the cheap default one) is not even assembled so you can just cut off the chincy support bar real quick and hang it vertical. I put some wire around mine because I had my closet crammed with a bunch of plants (mostly regular garden plants) and didn't want to burn em.

 

[indicat33]

Cool, you'll be happy with it and have much better results. When they ship it to you the reflector (the cheap default one) is not even assembled so you can just cut off the chincy support bar real quick and hang it vertical. I put some wire around mine because I had my closet crammed with a bunch of plants (mostly regular garden plants) and didn't want to burn em.

Maybe I'm old, but when I started learning about growing (1990's) it was common place to advise someone about the benefits of horizontal vs. vertically positioned HID Lamps. The likes of Jorge Cerevantes and Ed Rosenthal contended that horizontal is the way to go. Now I hear all this about "vertical grows" and see the Lamps hung without a reflector, vertically. I know nothing about this style of growing. How can a vert bulb deliver those lumens effectively to the plants in such a position? Seems like a lot of light might be wasted, off to the sides. Just my thoughts -

 

[hydroMD]

Untrue, just like you can't do much with an empty head and a poor attitude - know anyone?

Nope, I know no one.

But what I do know is you have more surface area exposed to your plant in a vert grow. Your Losing lumens from the top half of your bulb in a horizontal grow even if your using a hood, because they have to travel further to your plants. I believe its called the inverse square rule. I can provide a link if your not familiar

 

[hydroMD]

Maybe I'm old, but when I started learning about growing (late 1990's) it was common place to advise someone about the benefits of horizontal vs. vertically positioned HID Lamps. The likes of Jorge Cerevantes and Ed Rosenthal contended that horizontal is the way to go. Now I hear all this about "vertical grows" and see the Lamps hung without a reflector, vertically. I know nothing about this style of growing. How can a vert bulb deliver those lumens effectively to the plants in such a position? Seems like a lot of light might be wasted, off to the sides. Just my thoughts -

Put it this way, a light hung horizontally, positioned 18" from your canopy, the underside is making direct contact, while the lumens from the top half must reflect off your hood, then travel even further to your canopy. A verticle set up will have a canopy growing optimal distance around tue entire perimeter of the bulb, thus your not losing lumens from reflecting OR from distance.

Sorry if this is hard to fallow, sometimes its hard to type on a phone so I try to make ot as short and sweet as possible

 

[indicat33]

Nope, I know no one.

But what I do know is you have more surface area exposed to your plant in a vert grow. Your Losing lumens from the top half of your bulb even if your using a hood, because they have to travel further to your plants. I believe its called the inverse square rule. I can provide a link if your not familiar

I can provide myself the link, thanks. I can also offer some advice: Seek psychiatric counseling, and GET a LIFE, in the order of your choice.

 

[hydroMD]

I can provide myself the link, thanks. I can also offer some advice: Seek psychiatric counseling, and GET a LIFE, in the order of your choice.

First off, wasn't trying to come down on ya, just providing some info for those who are interested in learning.

Not sure how your panties got so twisted, nothing I stated was false or meant to offend

 

[indicat33]

First off, wasn't trying to come down on ya, just providing some info for those who are interested in learning.

Not sure how your panties got so twisted, nothing I stated was false or meant to offend

GET THE FUCK OUTTA HERE.... BITCH

 

[hydroMD]

[QUOTE="indicat33, post: 11370627, member: 420160" I hear all this about "vertical grows" and see the Lamps hung without a reflector, vertically. I know nothing about this style of growing. How can a vert bulb deliver those lumens effectively to the plants in such a position? Seems like a lot of light might be wasted, off to the sides. Just my thoughts - [/QUOTE]

This Iis the part of the post I was responding to... actually trying to help you out not bash ya.

 

[ebcrew]

Personally for me it will be better since i will have the bulb hanging inbetween 2 plants.

Or perhaps i can just move my T8s to inbetween the plant and have the HPS above them.

I'll decide when it arrives.

 

[hydroMD]

GET THE FUCK OUTTA HERE.... BITCH

come at me bro

 

[hydroMD]

Personally for me it will be better since i will have the bulb hanging inbetween 2 plants.

Or perhaps i can just move my T8s to inbetween the plant and have the HPS above them.

I'll decide when it arrives.

If your growing vert, you will want to train your plants into a circular trellis so the canopy is a cylinder.Goal with vert is to have the bulb equal distance from tops for 360 degrees if your just rocking one bulb

 

[ebcrew]

Ladies please, start your own beef thread

lol really i dgaf you answered my questions man thanks!

purchasing the HPS tonight.

 

[FrostyPelican]

Maybe I'm old, but when I started learning about growing (late 1990's) it was common place to advise someone about the benefits of horizontal vs. vertically positioned HID Lamps. The likes of Jorge Cerevantes and Ed Rosenthal contended that horizontal is the way to go. Now I hear all this about "vertical grows" and see the Lamps hung without a reflector, vertically. I know nothing about this style of growing. How can a vert bulb deliver those lumens effectively to the plants in such a position? Seems like a lot of light might be wasted, off to the sides. Just my thoughts -

I tried it on a whim after browsing the vert section on this site during my last grow (haven't started another yet). My last grow was about experimenting so I tried it and it worked out OK for me because I had a bunch of non MJ plants I wanted to keep lit. Yeah you can loose a lot of light but you can fit a lot more because you're using the side of the light that would normally be obstructed by the hood. I did trim the back side (side opposite of the light) of the plants some but did wrap the larger branches around so they were very close to the light. There is more ground foot print with vertical too because you circle the light with plants.

I'm pretty much just a hobbyist so I didn't meter the lumens or anything but I was impressed with how much more usage of the bulb I got by using every side of it.

 

[ebcrew]

If your growing vert, you will want to train your plants into a circular trellis so the canopy is a cylinder.Goal with vert is to have the bulb equal distance from tops for 360 degrees if your just rocking one bulb

Yeah i got autos going and i LST them to keep the stress low but maybe my LST was off because the canopy is not level, its all over the place.

 

[hydroMD]

I tried it on a whim after browsing the vert section on this site during my last grow (haven't started another yet). My last grow was about experimenting so I tried it and it worked out OK for me because I had a bunch of non MJ plants I wanted to keep lit. Yeah you can loose a lot of light but you can fit a lot more because you're using the side of the light that would normally be obstructed by the hood. I did trim the back side (side opposite of the light) of the plants some but did wrap the larger branches around so they were very close to the light. There is more ground foot print with vertical too because you circle the light with plants.

I'm pretty much just a hobbyist so I didn't meter the lumens or anything but I was impressed with how much more usage of the bulb I got by using every side of it.

Thank you! Verification from someone with actual experience

Ppl can choose to listen and learn, or get offended.... most on here seem to choose the latter

 

[hydroMD]

Yeah i got autos going and i LST them to keep the stress low but maybe my LST was off because the canopy is not level, its all over the place.

LST can be rough getting a real level canopy. Much easier in a scrogged when you can bend and weave into an already flat template. Best thing about this plant is it doesnt take perfection to get good quality

 

[FrostyPelican]

Thank you! Verification from someone with actual experience

Ppl can choose to listen and learn, or get offended.... most on here seem to choose the latter

Not getting into the argument lol all I can say is why not buy/make vert socket and try it during a run? That's probably the best way, everyone try different things and see what works for them so they can decide if it's something they want to do or not.

 

[indicat33]

I tried it on a whim after browsing the vert section on this site during my last grow (haven't started another yet). My last grow was about experimenting so I tried it and it worked out OK for me because I had a bunch of non MJ plants I wanted to keep lit. Yeah you can loose a lot of light but you can fit a lot more because you're using the side of the light that would normally be obstructed by the hood. I did trim the back side (side opposite of the light) of the plants some but did wrap the larger branches around so they were very close to the light. There is more ground foot print with vertical too because you circle the light with plants.

I'm pretty much just a hobbyist so I didn't meter the lumens or anything but I was impressed with how much more usage of the bulb I got by using every side of it.

And now I can imagine how it works, considering the way you explained it. Interesting, even though it's not for me. Oh well, I'll just keep doing what works for us. Our CSSH is looking Nice, and the Hindu Kush is coming along also. Delicious seeds has some Good Gear apparently... this Bitch is Unstoppable! She started flowering later, but has now FAR surpassed the H.K. growing alongside. I had to skewer her meristem as she kept trying to hug the 400w HPS bulb. Anyway, I'm only running a medical grow for 2 people, & I really have all the wattage I need. Can't wait for the summer!

 

[FrostyPelican]

And now I can imagine how it works, considering the way you explained it. Interesting, even though it's not for me. Oh well, I'll just keep doing what works for us. Our CSSH is looking Nice, and the Hindu Kush is coming along also. Delicious seeds has some Good Gear apparently... this Bitch is Unstoppable! She started flowering later, but has now FAR surpassed the H.K. growing alongside. I had to skewer her meristem as she kept trying to hug the 400w HPS bulb. Anyway, I'm only running a medical grow for 2 people, & I really have all the wattage I need. Can't wait for the summer! Now, I'm going to learn to maximize my Lamp in my 2x3' grow-space

Sounds great and yeah, summer can't get here fast enough!