Sheriffs sue Colorado over legal marijuana

[Fogdog]

Big banks don't exist with "public backing". They exist thru bullshit cronyistic laws and regulations that discourage competitive currencies and competition. Innovations have been intentionally limited to facilitate big banks making money, not to help people.

The government is an institution that relies on coercion to exist and you think they should be the one to keep people from hurting each other? Really???? More people have died (been murdered) and had their property stolen via coercive government and you think they are the great and wise nanny who will teach mankind to get along? That is demonstrably false.

Believing that the institution that has caused the greatest harm in the world will somehow solve problems is a fairy tale. Can you say "drug war" ?


Endorsing what is, a system base in coercion, can never lead to peace, since there is already coercion involved at the onset,. therefore it is impossible. Polishing a coercive government may make it shiny, but it will still be a coercive turd when your arm gets tired of polishing it.

Ok, so I guess that you think the govmint causes more harm than good. If you don't like living in a society that rules by laws, try Somalia. No taxes, no govmint interfering with peoples affairs, no gun laws and you can do what you you want to on your property. Assuming you can defend it. Which is the problem. Without laws and law enforcement, society tends towards the lowest common denominator.

Can you provide an example of any nation of any size that doesn't need to enforce laws with some some form of coercion? People are people the world over.

War on Drugs is a major fail. I hate, hate, hate it. How to end it is the question. You might or might not know that the WOD began under the Reagan administration and its biggest, most vicious proponents today are in the GOP. Nobody in the GOP is going to win the nomination for president without declaring himself to be a warrior against drugs, including MJ. The Democrats are divided on this subject but there is at least a glimmer of hope that this country will move away from this failed action under leadership that is more left-leaning. And it's begun to move in the right direction under the Obama administration, not enough but some. He can't do much with congress dominated by the right. The Democratic Party is nothing to brag about but in this matter, there is no question that you'll find political allies in the DP against this pernicious policy and practically none in GOP. Oh sure, there are a few but pointing this out would only prove the point that there aren't nearly as free thinkers regarding drug policy in the GOP compared to the DP. For my part, I'll side with the blue party and use my piddly little vote to support the left. Other than tossing incendiary statements here and there on RUI, what do you think should be done to eliminate this abomination of a policy?

You aren't going to hear me defend banks but if you want to buy a house and don't happen to have a few hundred thou lying about, you have to deal them. Would you defend a bank's right to discriminate due to ethnicity or sexual orientation based upon your axiom that property rights trump all other rights?

Are you saying that this country has caused the greatest harm in the world? Umm it would be too easy to destroy this assertion. I'll just assume that you were high when you wrote this and let it slide. If you are saying government in general, I'd like to point out that religion has caused plenty of damage too, and that religion has used govmint as a tool to carry out these actions.

One last comment regarding your behavior. You seem to have some sort of fixation on poop. A few references I guess might be funny to some of the lower powered minds on this site but it wears thin. I think you are better than this. Could you clean up your act a little bit?

 

[Fogdog]

Well,I wasn't gone say anything. But, if I was the judge, I woild tell the Sheriff if he don't like policing what the people of Colorado voted to make marijuana legal in the state. Then he can just quit his job and MOVE STRAIGHT THE FUCK UP OUT OF THE STATE! So they can get a real man in there to do the job without whining.

Great fucking post! Judge should tell that inbred sheriff his job is to enforce the law in state and not to write it.

 

[abandonconflict]

Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force.

Gov't exists to serve the ruling class and protect private property. Capitalism can not exist without government.

 

[Fogdog]

Gov't exists to serve the ruling class and protect private property. Capitalism can not exist without government.

How about -- governments can't rule without the the consent of its people

 

[abandonconflict]

How about -- governments can't rule without the the consent of its people

Nope, they only need the consent of the oligarchy.

 

[Fogdog]

Nope, they only need the consent of the oligarchy.

Yeah, I'm not very cynical about government. Not saying you are wrong, but when governments stop governing with the consent of its people then people undermine that government. It can take a long time but those governments don't last. Nobody thought the monarchy in France was going to fail until it was overthrown, communist Russia is no more and the uprising in the Arab world started when its young people could not find gainful employment. Its a messy process too.

By and large, this country's govmint has its people's consent. And what you said was also true.

 

[abandonconflict]

Yeah, I'm not very cynical about government. Not saying you are wrong, but when governments stop governing with the consent of its people then people undermine that government. It can take a long time but those governments don't last. Nobody thought the monarchy in France was going to fail until it was overthrown, communist Russia is no more and the uprising in the Arab world started when its young people could not find gainful employment. Its a messy process too.

By and large, this country's govmint has its people's consent. And what you said was also true.

I was addressing his cognitive dissonance specifically. He blames gov't for everything but preaches about private property incessantly. He doesn't realize that private property is only possible through gov't authority.

 

[Fogdog]

I was addressing his cognitive dissonance specifically. He blames gov't for everything but preaches about private property incessantly. He doesn't realize that private property is only possible through gov't authority.

check totally agree

 

[NoDrama]

You might or might not know that the WOD began under the Reagan administration and its biggest, most vicious proponents today are in the GOP.

Actually it was Nixon.

The most vicious opponents are the Prison guard Unions

 

[UncleBuck]

wow, nodrama even posted his source (the far right wing CATO institute).

that's a step up from the plagiarizing he is known for.

 

[Pinworm]

Ok, so I guess that you think the govmint causes more harm than good. If you don't like living in a society that rules by laws, try Somalia. No taxes, no govmint interfering with peoples affairs, no gun laws and you can do what you you want to on your property. Assuming you can defend it. Which is the problem. Without laws and law enforcement, society tends towards the lowest common denominator.

Can you provide an example of any nation of any size that doesn't need to enforce laws with some some form of coercion? People are people the world over.

War on Drugs is a major fail. I hate, hate, hate it. How to end it is the question. You might or might not know that the WOD began under the Reagan administration and its biggest, most vicious proponents today are in the GOP. Nobody in the GOP is going to win the nomination for president without declaring himself to be a warrior against drugs, including MJ. The Democrats are divided on this subject but there is at least a glimmer of hope that this country will move away from this failed action under leadership that is more left-leaning. And it's begun to move in the right direction under the Obama administration, not enough but some. He can't do much with congress dominated by the right. The Democratic Party is nothing to brag about but in this matter, there is no question that you'll find political allies in the DP against this pernicious policy and practically none in GOP. Oh sure, there are a few but pointing this out would only prove the point that there aren't nearly as free thinkers regarding drug policy in the GOP compared to the DP. For my part, I'll side with the blue party and use my piddly little vote to support the left. Other than tossing incendiary statements here and there on RUI, what do you think should be done to eliminate this abomination of a policy?

You aren't going to hear me defend banks but if you want to buy a house and don't happen to have a few hundred thou lying about, you have to deal them. Would you defend a bank's right to discriminate due to ethnicity or sexual orientation based upon your axiom that property rights trump all other rights?

Are you saying that this country has caused the greatest harm in the world? Umm it would be too easy to destroy this assertion. I'll just assume that you were high when you wrote this and let it slide. If you are saying government in general, I'd like to point out that religion has caused plenty of damage too, and that religion has used govmint as a tool to carry out these actions.

One last comment regarding your behavior. You seem to have some sort of fixation on poop. A few references I guess might be funny to some of the lower powered minds on this site but it wears thin. I think you are better than this. Could you clean up your act a little bit?

You are such a fine addition to RIU. We should do hugs one time.

 

[Rob Roy]

Ok, so I guess that you think the govmint causes more harm than good. If you don't like living in a society that rules by laws, try Somalia. No taxes, no govmint interfering with peoples affairs, no gun laws and you can do what you you want to on your property. Assuming you can defend it. Which is the problem. Without laws and law enforcement, society tends towards the lowest common denominator.

Can you provide an example of any nation of any size that doesn't need to enforce laws with some some form of coercion? People are people the world over.

War on Drugs is a major fail. I hate, hate, hate it. How to end it is the question. You might or might not know that the WOD began under the Reagan administration and its biggest, most vicious proponents today are in the GOP. Nobody in the GOP is going to win the nomination for president without declaring himself to be a warrior against drugs, including MJ. The Democrats are divided on this subject but there is at least a glimmer of hope that this country will move away from this failed action under leadership that is more left-leaning. And it's begun to move in the right direction under the Obama administration, not enough but some. He can't do much with congress dominated by the right. The Democratic Party is nothing to brag about but in this matter, there is no question that you'll find political allies in the DP against this pernicious policy and practically none in GOP. Oh sure, there are a few but pointing this out would only prove the point that there aren't nearly as free thinkers regarding drug policy in the GOP compared to the DP. For my part, I'll side with the blue party and use my piddly little vote to support the left. Other than tossing incendiary statements here and there on RUI, what do you think should be done to eliminate this abomination of a policy?

You aren't going to hear me defend banks but if you want to buy a house and don't happen to have a few hundred thou lying about, you have to deal them. Would you defend a bank's right to discriminate due to ethnicity or sexual orientation based upon your axiom that property rights trump all other rights?

Are you saying that this country has caused the greatest harm in the world? Umm it would be too easy to destroy this assertion. I'll just assume that you were high when you wrote this and let it slide. If you are saying government in general, I'd like to point out that religion has caused plenty of damage too, and that religion has used govmint as a tool to carry out these actions.

One last comment regarding your behavior. You seem to have some sort of fixation on poop. A few references I guess might be funny to some of the lower powered minds on this site but it wears thin. I think you are better than this. Could you clean up your act a little bit?

You've turned your argument into an either / or and that is a false dichotomy. To really examine things, it is wise to consider all of the possibilities, perhaps you haven't. Political means are coercive, which means peaceful people reject them.

You've also confused imposed order for peace. Peace is not achieved when a central authority that holds that authority thru threats exists. If I'm wrong, without a lot of distraction, please point out how that is possible.

As far as banks go, they hold a coercive institutional monopoly of sorts. So the question to me isn't whether they should be forced to lend to this person or that. The question should be why do they exist in present mode in the first place? Strike the Root, don't flail in the branches.

You could be right about the other stuff, my intention was always not to get involved in the silly stuff. I arrived there as a defensive response to those that were unable to hold a debate without going to insults. I'm happy to stop, anytime the others want to. I'll consider doing it anyway. You've brought up a good point there.

 

[Rob Roy]

I was addressing his cognitive dissonance specifically. He blames gov't for everything but preaches about private property incessantly. He doesn't realize that private property is only possible through gov't authority.

How do you feel about that spear Ogg the caveman? Is it yours? Did you make it? Do you own it only because government has your back?

In order to have a reasonable conversation about private property it is a bit childish of you, not to offer your definitions of what private property is and isn't and who can own it etc. Your refusal to do that is telling.

I don't blame Government for everything, I hold individuals responsible, since after all the pomp and officialness of "government" it is after all really only an aggregate of individual people, but I am digressing..

As far as holding individual people responsible ....I do that. For instance a person that steals is individually responsible. A person that commits an unnamed heinous fouling act to another persons floor is responsible.

When I say you have cognitive dissonance, and point out that your inconsistency when you claimed on one hand to be an Anarchist, then on the other you rely on government to fund your life, you first offered a rationalization, then you got angry and dickish.

Prior to that we may have had disagreements, but you hadn't sunk to the level of going on the offensive with insults. Regrettably, I responded with insults defensively. Sorry I did that. If you'd like we can communicate intelligently, if not it will be your choice and there is nothing I can do about that.

 

[Rob Roy]

Gov't exists to serve the ruling class and protect private property. Capitalism can not exist without government.

I'm not a capitalist in the sense that I think government must be involved as an overseer. I am an advocate of a truly free market.

You've consistently mingled private market control with a truly free market as if they are the same thing. I distinguish between the two. I agree with you in some ways about the evils of government coercion, but I don't know if I've done a good job of explaining my position or that you've done a good job of explaining yours, plus we got sidelined in silliness and ego. Although some of it was kind of funny in a goofy way. Peace.

 

[Rob Roy]

Well,I wasn't gone say anything. But, if I was the judge, I woild tell the Sheriff if he don't like policing what the people of Colorado voted to make marijuana legal in the state. Then he can just quit his job and MOVE STRAIGHT THE FUCK UP OUT OF THE STATE! So they can get a real man in there to do the job without whining.

Your post brings up another point, thank you..

Since all of the various Cop agencies spend alot of time processing "pot crimes" isn't it reasonable to lay at least some off, when those acts are no longer "crimes" ?

 

[ginwilly]

Your post brings up another point, thank you..

Since all of the various Cop agencies spend alot of time processing "pot crimes" isn't it reasonable to lay at least some off, when those acts are no longer "crimes" ?

This is a large impediment in our way. There are many lives that rely on the war on drugs to put food on their table. I say too bad, find another line of work, but it's still most definitely a factor. Especially when government jobs are involved. It's damn hard to get laid off from a government job.

When people's livelihood is at stake emotion trumps logic. Joe DEA may be against the war on drugs in the back of his mind, but keeping his family fed trumps pretty much everything else.

 

[Pinworm]

Your post brings up another point, thank you..

Since all of the various Cop agencies spend alot of time processing "pot crimes" isn't it reasonable to lay at least some off, when those acts are no longer "crimes" ?

I find it extremely disturbing when I agree with something you say.

 

[Rob Roy]

I find it extremely disturbing when I agree with something you say.

It just means you are capable of being logical sometimes. Go hit yourself on the head with a hammer a few times and think of something else, your momentary sensibility will pass.

 

[Pinworm]

It just means you are capable of being logical sometimes. Go hit yourself on the head with a hammer a few times and think of something else, your momentary sensibility will pass.

 

[Rob Roy]

How about -- governments can't rule without the the consent of its people

Lysander Spooner is shaking his head in a grandfatherly, but slightly condescending know it all way now.