Dj Short 20 year old back stock seed sprout.

Jd Short

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This 'original' blueberry everyone speaks of was produced in such small quantity and for such a small time its most unrealistic that anyone on this site actually every tried it. All that 'original' pre-98 everyone is talking about is the original offered now by Dj. People just like to reminisce over how much better the past was because they have a hard time living in the present. They have a hard time accepting that that once rare bag of herb they used to lord over their friends is now available to many. They like to ascertain that only they know what it was like to smoke the 'real' Blueberry.
 
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eastcoastmo

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Either directly from me or Dj himself. I am available in oregon and Dj often makes himself available at the premiere cannabis cups like the emerald cup in cali or the high times cup in michigan and or denver. Myself and Dj should be available at the high times cup in oregon this july. Currently there is no distributor offering them for this price. Seeds are generally market up 100% and as much as 200% when not acquired directly from myself or Dj and unfortunately cannot be verified at this time from any major distributor as authentic because they are bought and resold from another 3rd party distributor.

Im not going to get into a flamewar here over the authenticity, production, distribution or price of Dj Short genetics or business practices. What I will say is that Dj Short's Old World Genetics does not work directly with any distribution center and anything offered by any 'premiere' seed bank are bought and resold from another smaller 3rd party seed vender and no proceeds, royalties or payments are received by Dj Short's Old World Genetics from any premiere seed bank offering Dj Short's genetics.
All good mate, cheers for the reply. I'm in Australia so aren't able to get them direct from you or DJ. I thought there may have been a bank that sold them at that price. Cheers for your help mate and I'm enjoying the pics you are posting! Hope the rest goes well :)
 

Jd Short

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All good mate, cheers for the reply. I'm in Australia so aren't able to get them direct from you or DJ. I thought there may have been a bank that sold them at that price. Cheers for your help mate and I'm enjoying the pics you are posting! Hope the rest goes well :)
There will be a bank offering them at a price that beats the current offerings soon. It's working itself out.
 

Fogdog

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Thanks for putting up this thread. I think its cool that you are able to continue on and hopefully grow the business. I don't know that I'd like to stare at the wallpaper every morning while drinking my coffee but the plant in front of it looks awesome. Look forward to seeing more.
 

Jd Short

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The blueberry I see today, compared to that one dutch passion blueberry pheno I grew in 2002, is a joke and no wonder younger smokers are always bashing blueberry. Sure the one super potent grape/blueberry that I kept was a mutant with twisted leaves and slow growth but few strains compare to that pheno in overall enjoyment both aesthetically and potency/taste wise.

@eastcoastmo I believe there are Blueberry seeds packs at select dispensaries here in oregon and some in colorado and california, though I couldn't tell you if they are indeed $65 but I'm sure that's where he was referring to.
So why not just buy another pack from Dutch Passion and get your pheno back?

Did they lose their 'original' moms?

I mean I find the whole thing an interesting and effective marketing campaign for sure, but nothing more.

As has already been said, "the proof is in the pudding." I'm currently working on assembling an f5 Blueberry grow journal now and also have an F-13 going as well. Next I'll do a Grape Krush followed by a Cocoa Kush and then maybe an Old Time Moonshine or Blue Moonshine or something else.

Also, keep an eye out for those PFK progeny, they should be exciting as well as telling of the capabilities of the genetics.
 

King Arthur

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This 'original' blueberry everyone speaks of was produced in such small quantity and for such a small time its most unrealistic that anyone on this site actually every tried it. All that 'original' pre-98 everyone is talking about is the original offered now by Dj. People just like to reminisce over how much better the past was because they have a hard time living in the present. They have a hard time accepting that that once rare bag of herb they used to lord over their friends is now available to many. They like to ascertain that only they know what it was like to smoke the 'real' Blueberry.
:clap: gotta love the ignorance.
 

Lysemith, Lowkey

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Yes there was. It was in production for a very limited amount of time and remains a very small represented of what Blueberry has been presented as in the past 17 years. I've been in many a grow room where someone had their own special cut of 'Blueberry' they got from so and so. I've seen more mis/representations of Blueberry than I have the real thing unfortunately. I've seen this with many strains. I bet we all have. ;)
Please improve your vernacular, it makes it difficult to understand you. No mean to offend, I just want to learn and understand clearly.
 

Lysemith, Lowkey

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....strange...I have the parents in my possession. And I did the math....3.2 keepers out of every ten seeds. And they sell for $65 for 13 seeds. So one can either pay the 65 bucks for 4 keepers that are authentic original Blueberry, or they can spend the 500 bucks for one keeper out of 150 knock-off f2's. And by keeper I mean something that equals or surpasses the quality of the parent. Out of 28 females I got 9 that equaled or surpassed the quality of the mother. With the males it would have probably been closer to 4 out of ten keepers. Please troll somewhere else. It's obvious that that's what you're doing. Go away.
I have a 10 year old plus Bluemoonshine that I have been breeding for a year or two. The seeds are basically exactly the same regardless of the male, but they really need help to germinate, even if it is only a month fresh and frozen. I feel they need to be scuffed and inoculated with bene bacteria to really maximize their germ rate. My rates increase 50 percent when I do this.
 

Jd Short

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Please improve your vernacular, it makes it difficult to understand you. No mean to offend, I just want to learn and understand clearly.
To a max of 90 percent germ rate fyi. I have more success with clones.
The seeds themselves had above 95% germination success rate.

What I meant by a 'keeper' is a pheno that's worth keeping based on "Dj's Law" that it equaled or surpassed the quality of the mother or father.

And I'm working on improving my vernacular, thanks for the advice. :smile:
 

Jd Short

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I was under the impression you started 6 seeds from 60 or something, making it 10 percent. And I'm glad you didn't take offense. I am admittedly a dick.
Yes, for the 20 year old Dj Short back-stock I only had about 50 to start. But the comment you quoted was in regards to another project of f5 Blueberry's I just finished up, sorry about the confusion.

I got sidetracked by an off the cuff comment that had nothing to do with this grow journal.

And for my future 'back-stock' seed adventures I will consider your advice of using bene bacteria. I do scuff them and I also use bottled water and a few drops of H202 per/ every 8oz of water. Im under the impression that the H202 prevents bacterial growth that the seeds are susceptible to which might prevent them from germinating.

And no offense taken for constructive criticism, thank you.
 

althor

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I am going to say this and then I am going to get out of your thread...
http://rollitup.org/t/dj-shorts-f-13-grow-journal.860766/page-2

You will see my quote under that from DJ Shorts book about backwards hermie. Nothing about a hermie trait in chocolate thai that he loved and worked the line anyway. This is about "backwards hermies" males that hermie female, something your father is well known for so it is perplexing that you arent aware of it.

As far as "unrealistic", I am pretty sure I have been smoking before you were born. Around the mid 90's my bestfriend had a hookup with the blueberry. He absolutely loved it and talked about it non-stopped. I liked it quite abit myself, just not as overboard in love with it as he was. So, when indoor growing became viable, that was my first stop. When he started growing himself, it was his first grow as well. Out of both of our packs, we didnt find the blueberry that he loved so much. We did find mutants and a lot of different phenos and some were pretty good, just not what we paid for.
 

Jd Short

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I am going to say this and then I am going to get out of your thread...
http://rollitup.org/t/dj-shorts-f-13-grow-journal.860766/page-2

You will see my quote under that from DJ Shorts book about backwards hermie. Nothing about a hermie trait in chocolate thai that he loved and worked the line anyway. This is about "backwards hermies" males that hermie female, something your father is well known for so it is perplexing that you arent aware of it.

As far as "unrealistic", I am pretty sure I have been smoking before you were born. Around the mid 90's my bestfriend had a hookup with the blueberry. He absolutely loved it and talked about it non-stopped. I liked it quite abit myself, just not as overboard in love with it as he was. So, when indoor growing became viable, that was my first stop. When he started growing himself, it was his first grow as well. Out of both of our packs, we didnt find the blueberry that he loved so much. We did find mutants and a lot of different phenos and some were pretty good, just not what we paid for.
There is no 'book' about backwards hermis. He mentioned it a few times in a few articles and interviews and his book about breeding. And what he's said is pretty clear;

The quote you selected from his book on breeding;
"Backward" hermorphidites are males that eventually sport female flowers (as opposed to the usual female to male hermorphodites). These are rare occurrences, usually sterile but sometimes viable, that I found to be genetically valuable. Many resinous and desireable males exhibit this trait, which almost guarantees against unwanted homeomorphism in subsequent generations as it also increases the female to male ratio in it's progeny."

And what he's said about his genetic line, which is as follows;
"Originally, in the late 1970's, I was growing up to 100 plants at a time using over 1000 watts of light, and also outdoors in a backyard garden space. These were all land race sativa that fortunately cloned well. The ratio of highly desirable individuals from these plants was about 1:100. One of the most annoying traits of these varieties was hermaphroditism. Approximately 60% of all of these plants from seed were unmanageable hermis, and about 25% more were what I referred to as manageable hermaphrodites, meaning that with close observation and intense scrutiny the male pods could be seen and eliminated as they appeared. About 15% of these sativa plants were female enough to produce marketable sinsimilla bud, with a constant vigilance toward the occasional stray pollen sack. In other words the hermaphroditism expressed in these equatorial sativa was extreme and nearly total.

A quick word about the virtues of hermaphrodites: Ask any old-time herbalist, one who has been experiencing fine herb since at least the early 1970's, what their favorite all-time herbal variety was, and the answer will be something to the effect of; “Santa Marta or Acapulco Gold” or “Highland or Chocolate Thai” or “Punta Roya (red-tipped gold Highland Oaxacan)” or “Guerran Green” or “Panama Red” etc. et. al., all of which were equatorial, or sub-tropical, origin sativa and hermaphroditic. Even the great hashish of the era such as Lebanese Red and Blonde, all Moroccan and Nepalese were produced from seeded stock."

But nowhere has Dj directly mentioned working with these types of "backwards hermis." If Im mistaken, please feel free to correct me.

And Im not sure what you paid for or how much you paid, but Im sorry you feel you paid too much and didn't find what you wanted, better luck next time.
 
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TheChemist77

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....strange...I have the parents in my possession. And I did the math....3.2 keepers out of every ten seeds. And they sell for $65 for 13 seeds. So one can either pay the 65 bucks for 4 keepers that are authentic original Blueberry, or they can spend the 500 bucks for one keeper out of 150 knock-off f2's. And by keeper I mean something that equals or surpasses the quality of the parent. Out of 28 females I got 9 that equaled or surpassed the quality of the mother. With the males it would have probably been closer to 4 out of ten keepers. Please troll somewhere else. It's obvious that that's what you're doing. Go away.
please,,can i buy a few seeds directly from you? the original blueberry...im sorry but ive bought them for 25 bucks a piece from seed distributers w/ no germ, i would love to buy direct if u can..u can speak to me directly if u wish
 

TheChemist77

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There is no 'book' about backwards hermis. He mentioned it a few times in a few articles and interviews and his book about breeding. And what he's said is pretty clear;

The quote you selected from his book on breeding;
"Backward" hermorphidites are males that eventually sport female flowers (as opposed to the usual female to male hermorphodites). These are rare occurrences, usually sterile but sometimes viable, that I found to be genetically valuable. Many resinous and desireable males exhibit this trait, which almost guarantees against unwanted homeomorphism in subsequent generations as it also increases the female to male ratio in it's progeny."

And what he's said about his genetic line, which is as follows;
"Originally, in the late 1970's, I was growing up to 100 plants at a time using over 1000 watts of light, and also outdoors in a backyard garden space. These were all land race sativa that fortunately cloned well. The ratio of highly desirable individuals from these plants was about 1:100. One of the most annoying traits of these varieties was hermaphroditism. Approximately 60% of all of these plants from seed were unmanageable hermis, and about 25% more were what I referred to as manageable hermaphrodites, meaning that with close observation and intense scrutiny the male pods could be seen and eliminated as they appeared. About 15% of these sativa plants were female enough to produce marketable sinsimilla bud, with a constant vigilance toward the occasional stray pollen sack. In other words the hermaphroditism expressed in these equatorial sativa was extreme and nearly total.

A quick word about the virtues of hermaphrodites: Ask any old-time herbalist, one who has been experiencing fine herb since at least the early 1970's, what their favorite all-time herbal variety was, and the answer will be something to the effect of; “Santa Marta or Acapulco Gold” or “Highland or Chocolate Thai” or “Punta Roya (red-tipped gold Highland Oaxacan)” or “Guerran Green” or “Panama Red” etc. et. al., all of which were equatorial, or sub-tropical, origin sativa and hermaphroditic. Even the great hashish of the era such as Lebanese Red and Blonde, all Moroccan and Nepalese were produced from seeded stock."

But nowhere has Dj directly mentioned working with these types of "backwards hermis." If Im mistaken, please feel free to correct me.

And Im not sure what you paid for or how much you paid, but Im sorry you feel you paid too much and didn't find what you wanted, better luck next time.
i also wondered if i could buy some bb seeds from you, are they stabilized hybrids,or f1's..i wonder why so many people like f1's, in my opinion stabilized hybrids are far better as they are more uniform and the f1 hybrid vigor isnt really all that much better than knowing what your getting with stabilized strains..do u have an opinion on f1' or stabilized?? please i will pay for seeds!!
 
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