Feds: Banks Should Call Police if Customer Withdraws More Than $5k in Cash

Rob Roy

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I see where you are coming from, and I can see how you strongly believe in your rationale. However, it's simply not true.

Regulating alcohol and firearms is most definitely not a regulation of freedom. Tobacco, like marijuana is debatable. But firearms and alcohol are not. And if you can't see why, then we don't have a debate.

Please explain to me how the ATF is funded by theft. Please provide empirical evidence to support your argument. You are making the claim, so support it.
It's self evident. All federal agencies rely upon money taken with or without the permission of the owner. That accumulated money is then used to fund your friends.

Regulations of your freedom might be acceptable to you, what if other people don't accept them? Do they have the option of not being bound by other peoples edicts? The answer is obviously no.

Also thank you for reasonable approach this morning.
 

see4

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It's self evident. All federal agencies rely upon money taken with or without the permission of the owner. That accumulated money is then used to fund your friends.

Regulations of your freedom might be acceptable to you, what if other people don't accept them? Do they have the option of not being bound by other peoples edicts? The answer is obviously no.

Also thank you for reasonable approach this morning.
You of course have every right to renounce your citizenship. Have you looked into that at all? Might not be a bad thing for you, as you seem very upset about everything the government does.
 

schuylaar

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Want to see what happens when tax dollars aren't available?

if he pounded on the steering wheel, he would be my ex-husband.

:lol:

he is driving a truck, aren't they made for rough terrain?

the guy didn't even mention what the roads name is or state.
 

see4

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if he pounded on the steering wheel, he would be my ex-husband.

:lol:

he is driving a truck, aren't they made for rough terrain?

the guy didn't even mention what the roads name is or state.
Youngstown, which I believe is in Ohio. He did yell "Youngstown" at one point. Or at least I think he did.
 

see4

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If you are referring to me, which I can only assume you are, Im neither misogynist nor have I ever had sloppy seconds. And if you are creating a correlation between the use of the term sloppy seconds and misogyny, you are really reaching. Try harder kiddo.


Edit: Now that I looked up "sloppy seconds" as defined by the urban dictionary, I can see how you would interpret that. And no, none of my friends nor I have had "sloppy seconds" as defined by urban dictionary. I use the term sloppy seconds to mean simply that I dated a girl, slept with her and then we broke up, at which point a friend of mine started dating them, and I can only assume they slept together.
 

desert dude

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You strike me as a privileged frat-boy type. You probably raped more than one unconscious coed after the rest of your Greek buddies were done with her.

It's hard to get much more misogynist than to use the term "sloppy seconds". It's hard to get much more despicable than to associate with ATF highway robbers, and secret service toadies of the cartels.
 

Wavels

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I like how your sig references FZ , ya know he predicted all this type shit 40 yrs ago & people laughed at him , welcome to the soft core socialist America .
You are correct Sir,
Yes, FZ was quite prescient regarding US Government behavior.

I am particularly fond of his Central Scrutinizer character from Joe's Garage (1979).
It is a shame that he has not been around for quite some time now so he could see just how prophetic he was. He died in late 1993.
Yikes.
 

see4

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You strike me as a privileged frat-boy type. You probably raped more than one unconscious coed after the rest of your Greek buddies were done with her.

It's hard to get much more misogynist than to use the term "sloppy seconds". It's hard to get much more despicable than to associate with ATF highway robbers, and secret service toadies of the cartels.
Says the racist who supports the right wing moral leaders like Robertson who condone the rape and murder of women and children.

You are a silly fool.
 

Rob Roy

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You of course have every right to renounce your citizenship. Have you looked into that at all? Might not be a bad thing for you, as you seem very upset about everything the government does.

Rights? Okay lets talk about them.

Can you show me any agreements that I or other people made with the purported "leaders" where we agreed to be subjects in the first place?

If you can't wouldn't their assumed authority over me be then based in an assumption they are my superiors and that I have no rights at all?

Show me those agreements please.

If you're not upset by coercion and systems that have them embedded in them, why not?
 

see4

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Rights? Okay lets talk about them.

Can you show me any agreements that I or other people made with the purported "leaders" where we agreed to be subjects in the first place?

If you can't wouldn't their assumed authority over me be then based in an assumption they are my superiors and that I have no rights at all?

Show me those agreements please.

If you're not upset by coercion and systems that have them embedded in them, why not?
Don't blame the government, blame your parents for getting you a birth certificate and social security card. Without either you are completely unidentifiable and traceable. I assume that is what you are looking for.

I'm not upset by your definition of coercion in the system of government, because I don't believe it exists. I am however, not happy with certain aspects of government. For example, I don't like how overly complex the tax system is, I don't like the under-regulated financial system, I don't like that we spend 16x more on our military than the next 10 nations combined. I could go on and on, but I think you get the point there.
 

Rob Roy

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Don't blame the government, blame your parents for getting you a birth certificate and social security card. Without either you are completely unidentifiable and traceable. I assume that is what you are looking for.

I'm not upset by your definition of coercion in the system of government, because I don't believe it exists. I am however, not happy with certain aspects of government. For example, I don't like how overly complex the tax system is, I don't like the under-regulated financial system, I don't like that we spend 16x more on our military than the next 10 nations combined. I could go on and on, but I think you get the point there.

Your not believing in something that is self evident and clearly a fact will not make it cease to exist. Your governments business model is to acquire funding coercively, that is an irrefutable fact.

I notice you never answered my very basic questions. Why not?
 

see4

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Your not believing in something that is self evident and clearly a fact will not make it cease to exist. Your governments business model is to acquire funding coercively, that is an irrefutable fact.

I notice you never answered my very basic questions. Why not?
Do you want me to answer the question, "Why not?"? Or do you want me to answer the question, "If you're not upset by coercion and systems that have them embedded in them, why not?"?

The first I can't answer because it has no subject matter for me to answer to. The second is also difficult because I do not believe the government is coercing me to do anything. I, as an adult, have accepted that tax is a necessary evil to balance a system that would otherwise be in complete chaos without structure. I believe that without tax funding, we wouldn't have a military to protect our land, roads to drive on, railroads to distribute goods, clean air to breathe, etc etc.

Now that I've answered your question the best I could, how about you answer mine?

Why not simply denounce your citizenship if you are so unhappy?
 

Rob Roy

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Want to see what happens when tax dollars aren't available?

Why do you base your flawed assumptions on the idea that the present way of paying for roads and other valuable services is the ONLY way they could eve be paid for?


Note - I did not watch the video...low internet speed presently.
 

see4

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Why do you base your flawed assumptions on the idea that the present way of paying for roads and other valuable services is the ONLY way they could eve be paid for?


Note - I did not watch the video...low internet speed presently.
Firstly, the video itself was light entertainment, and my aforementioned comment to said video was in the same light context.

That being said, I am completely open to other ideas of paying for basic needs of the community, both local and national. What do you propose?
 

Rob Roy

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Do you want me to answer the question, "Why not?"? Or do you want me to answer the question, "If you're not upset by coercion and systems that have them embedded in them, why not?"?

The first I can't answer because it has no subject matter for me to answer to. The second is also difficult because I do not believe the government is coercing me to do anything. I, as an adult, have accepted that tax is a necessary evil to balance a system that would otherwise be in complete chaos without structure. I believe that without tax funding, we wouldn't have a military to protect our land, roads to drive on, railroads to distribute goods, clean air to breathe, etc etc.

Now that I've answered your question the best I could, how about you answer mine?

Why not simply denounce your citizenship if you are so unhappy?
These are the questions I wanted you to answer.

Can you show me any agreements that I or other people made with the purported "leaders" where we agreed to be subjects in the first place?

If you can't wouldn't their assumed authority over me be then based in an assumption they are my superiors and that I have no rights at all?

Show me those agreements please.


Now, I'll answer your question.

Its my belief and also a fact, my "citizenship" and the claimed "citizenship" of many others is not based on a consensual interaction or relationship with the people that claim us as their subject.

So, to renounce them and make a claim of self ownership is something I've already done in a sense. The fact is I do comply under duress with some things they insist upon, not because I want to, because I know they will harm me if I do otherwise. This too is irrefutable, unless you get absurd.
 

Rob Roy

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Firstly, the video itself was light entertainment, and my aforementioned comment to said video was in the same light context.

That being said, I am completely open to other ideas of paying for basic needs of the community, both local and national. What do you propose?

I propose things be done on a consensual basis and those that want or need things be free to chose those services amongst those that wish to provide them.

A coercive monopoly in a given geographical area exists not for the benefit of the livestock / subjects, it exists for the benefit of those in power. That too is self evident as a fact, since my proposals of real free trade are disallowed under threat of force by those holding the coercive power.

It would be nice if you answered my questions above too.
 
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