see4
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But, but, creationism is science too!! According to Arizona and Texas law. And I'm sure many others.
AZ GOP/tea party quashes free speech
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BDOGKush
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This bill came about because the GOP keeps slashing the education budget. They recently cut back $99 mil in university budgets and pretty much eliminated funding for community colleges, while increasing prison funding.
We have schools in this state that are struggling just to keep their doors open and teachers who are using money from their own pockets to buy supplies for their class.
We have one of the worst education systems in the country and the GOP keeps cutting their budgets, making it even worse.
Superintendents are sick of cutting programs, firing good teachers and not being able to repair their schools, they spoke out and the GOPs response was to try and shut them up.
And no, there is no law in this state that prevents police officers or firefighters from talking about legislation that affects them.
We have schools in this state that are struggling just to keep their doors open and teachers who are using money from their own pockets to buy supplies for their class.
We have one of the worst education systems in the country and the GOP keeps cutting their budgets, making it even worse.
Superintendents are sick of cutting programs, firing good teachers and not being able to repair their schools, they spoke out and the GOPs response was to try and shut them up.
And no, there is no law in this state that prevents police officers or firefighters from talking about legislation that affects them.
see4
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Spot on. Absolutely right.
@see4 , I am somewhat familiar with the creationist BS and agree that it has no place in science class. I don't share the belief that this has anything at all to do with that, though. The language seems pretty clear to me.
BTW, from what I saw, a full house vote is expected this week.
You all won't get any argument from me on the budget. If it was up to me, education would be like the military: Insanely expensive and "free" for anybody to enjoy the rewards.
BTW, from what I saw, a full house vote is expected this week.
You all won't get any argument from me on the budget. If it was up to me, education would be like the military: Insanely expensive and "free" for anybody to enjoy the rewards.
theexpress
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Closet cased homosexual ... Come out already and leave Ur wife for see4 and go makelittle Hilary babies.. you fucking gun grabbing tree hugger.http://www.azcentral.com/story/laurieroberts/2015/03/30/house-amendment-silence-schools/70676094/
the bill "prohibits an employee of a school district or charter school, acting on the district's or charter school's behalf, from distributing electronic materials to influence the outcome of an election or to advocate support for or opposition to pending or proposed legislation."
good ol' constitutional conservatives, eh?
last week it was mandatory church attendance, this week it is silencing teachers (or they face a $5000 fine).
thanks, GOP and tea party.
tightpockt
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I supposed that depends on how you define "facts" and "data" because we know conservatives love "facts"! They almost never try to redefine history or science!
BDOGKush
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The language of that bill makes it illegal for anyone involved in education to take a stand on proposed law that would specifically impact them. Under this bill a Superintedent could be arrested for merely talking about proposed educaton legislation.
"One of the bills that has people talking is Senate Bill 1172. Some teachers are even calling it a gag order but as of Tuesday it was stifled.
The controversial SB 1172 wasn't put to a vote in the House because it didn't have the votes to pass."
http://www.azcentral.com/story/news/12-news/2015/04/01/12-news-legislatures-final-days-of-session/70758416/
"One of the bills that has people talking is Senate Bill 1172. Some teachers are even calling it a gag order but as of Tuesday it was stifled.
The controversial SB 1172 wasn't put to a vote in the House because it didn't have the votes to pass."
http://www.azcentral.com/story/news/12-news/2015/04/01/12-news-legislatures-final-days-of-session/70758416/
Nothing but insults. Typical.
Did you know that science says that trolls are horrible people? Trolling and sadism especially are strongly linked.
So the question that begs to be answered: Are you here simply because snuff porn doesn't do it for you anymore?
Science, man. Science.
Source: Trolls just want to have fun
Google it.
see4
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I have to disagree that the language is clear. I don't think it is. And the scope of target is very specific to an already pacified group of individuals.
I know the extreme sadist in you wants to believe that I'm crying, but wishing doesn't make something so.
As somebody here is fond of saying, it's not an insult if it's fact. Science says you are a low life and that the amount of time you spend trolling (which would be off their chart) indicates an extreme level of sadism. It's not exactly a stretch associating torture porn with sadists.
Or are you a science denier? Maybe this study was funded by Big (Something?), exerting it's powerful lobby on Canadian researchers.
Could be. Chances are overwhelming though that you are simply mentally ill. As such, I wouldn't expect you to see it.
Do you have anything relevant to add to the thread you started, or are we just gonna watch you continue proving the study is accurate?
The only part of the language that stands out to me is this:
The language seems like it could be taken like an excuse to trample rights when I believe the intent is that nothing in this bill can override freedoms guaranteed elsewhere.
And yeah, like I said previously, I've never heard of this being an issue to begin with. We all can agree they have better shit to do.
UncleBuck
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you seem upset. there is no need to be so upset. not about my trolling at least.
however, there is good reason to be upset about the AZ GOP & tea party trying to bully teachers who push back against their anti-education agenda. silencing those who wish to exercise their freedom of speech is never a good thing, unless we are talking about hate speech. but this is not hate speech they are trying to silence, so good reason to be upset remains.
Hmmn. Relevant, yet entirely useless. Got anything to actually debate on it beside your feelings? Lets start with freedom of speech. So you'd be ok with Rob Roy giving his sole interpretation of upcoming legislation to all his students before the bell rang? Where does it say that school staff cannot advocate for whatever cause they want outside of class?
Why do you think school resources should be ok to use for crap like that? Maybe I'm funny, but I expect money earmarked for education to be spent on education and not election propaganda.
- A really upset guy in tears. (did that make your cock jump?)
It would have been faster to just say no since you clearly can't back up a single one of your claims.
Nice job continuing to prove the study is right. You are a mentally ill cancer of society. Cool stats, bro.
see4
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Mental illness and cancer aren't funny. Using them to defame someone is equally not funny.
No it's not. And it sucks that people actually cheer him on for it, making it spread. It does nobody any favors.
Facts are facts.
see4
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The language in that bill is slightly ambiguous, and can be left for some interpretation. If you don't agree with that, then I'm not sure we have a basis for debate.
If however, we can agree that as a basis for debate, that parts of that bill can be left to interpretation. I feel like you conceded to that fact earlier, maybe I was unclear on your assessment. That being said, if the basis is that, then, "facts aren't facts", in this case. Meaning, your interpretation of the language leads you to one conclusion, or facts as you see it, and his interpretation leads to another. I suppose in this case, it will be left for a judge to decide. Or hopefully it won't even make it that far, and the bill won't pass? You said it yourself, you'd like to see it fail, no?