Soil to soilless

black jesus

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I understand about the bugs. But fox farm has the bug and not so well drainage with a high price. I like how soil has a good base so you can relax on the nutes but with things like coco I'm seeing crazy results with the insane root growth
 

az2000

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I understand about the bugs. But fox farm has the bug and not so well drainage with a high price. I like how soil has a good base so you can relax on the nutes but with things like coco I'm seeing crazy results with the insane root growth
I believe Pro-Mix HP with 20-25% more perlite (and 1tbsp/gal fine dolomite), and GH Flora 3-part is the most problem-free way to grow. No built-in nutes, immediate feedback from the plant, no investment in hydro equipment. Feed at ph 5.8 in veg, 6.2 in flower. Follow the so-called "useless" schedule.

I had great results with that. I'd highly recommend it to beginners (not implying your a noob. But, sometimes it's good to start over with something new. And that's perfect for such a reset.). Just use RO and add 3-5ml calmag to replace the lost minerals. (You might be able to use some amount of tap water and RO to get 150ppm and not use calmag. But, I used calmag and RO.).

After I did that for awhile I wanted a more "normal" soil grow. I added Kellogg Patio Plus. You could do the same thing with any soil. I chose Kellogg because it's cheap. 50-60% Pro-Mix, 20-25% Kellogg, 20-25% Perlite. Very light soil, not like your Fox Farms soils. At that point I didn't feel GH Flora 3-part was appropriate because it's soil. I switched to a soil fertilizer (Grow More Sea Grow). I unraveled what I had been feeding with GH[1] and replicated it with Grow More.[2]

I guarantee you won't be sorry doing that with GH (although GH was just purchased by Scotts-MiracleGro.). I think you could go straight to the light soil I described and you'd do well using any nutrients as long as you get the kind of NPK ratios described here. (The PPM strengths are a bit of a mystery to me because I got by with much stronger feeding with GH. When I fed GM that strong I got salt buildup. I think it has something to do with GM containing organic components, not purely synthetic like GH. So, if you use a different nutrient than the two mentioned here, you have to be flexible with the strength to find what's right.).

[1]
--------------- R A T I O S
-------- N-P-K ----------- K-Mg-Ca -------- PPM
VEG
week-1 1.32-1.00-2.41 -- 6.76-1.00-2.15 --- 418
week-2 1.85-1.00-3.06 -- 8.08-1.00-2.82 --- 721
week-3 2.06-1.00-3.31 -- 8.54-1.00-3.07 --- 830 [1a]
BLOOM
week-1 1.00-1.29-1.88 -- 4.54-1.00-1.77 --- 1020
week-2 1.00-1.47-1.70 -- 3.75-1.00-1.90 --- 1065
week-3 1.00-1.52-1.71 -- 3.65-1.00-1.88 --- 1218
week-4 1.00-1.72-1.87 -- 3.53-1.00-1.66 --- 1334
week-5 1.00-2.21-2.25 -- 3.33-1.00-1.31 --- 1395 [1b]
week-6 1.00-2.70-2.36 -- 2.91-1.00-1.23 --- 1421
week-7 1.00-3.16-2.72 -- 2.88-1.00-1.05 --- 1384


That's the results using the unmodified schedule. However, I added GH liquid Koolbloom (LKB) during flower, and powdered Koolbloom (PKB) the final week (prior to 10-20 days of water only). The following is how it turned out:

week-2 1.00-1.92-2.16 -- 4.75-1.00-1.90 -- 1275 [1c]
week-3 1.00-2.12-2.31 -- 4.95-1.00-1.88 -- 1534 [1d]
week-4 1.00-2.53-2.68 -- 5.07-1.00-1.66 -- 1755 [1e]
week-5 1.00-4.09-3.34 -- 5.07-1.00-1.22 -- 1165 [1f]


[1a] Repeat until bloom.
[1b] Cut dose in half if using bloom booster.
[1c] 2ml/gal LKB
[1d] 3ml/gal LKB
[1e] 4ml/gal LKB
[1f] Cut base nutes in half, as described in the Useless schedule. Use 1.25g/gal PKB.

[2] http://rollitup.org/t/grow-more-fertilizer.621368/page-5#post-11444678
 

black jesus

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To start I think I will use Kellogg's 3 cu. ft soil with 2 cu. ft of perlite. And I'll add the dolomite. I need my soil to be very light for my autos I have planned
 

az2000

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To start I think I will use Kellogg's 3 cu. ft soil with 2 cu. ft of perlite. And I'll add the dolomite. I need my soil to be very light for my autos I have planned
Promix is a bit high for me maybe I can throw in some coco
I wouldn't use Kellogg Patio Plus by itself (even improved with perlite). It's a bit rich for my taste. But, bagged soils like Happy Frog and Ocean Forest are too rich for my taste.

Lightening it with coco is more like I'd do. But, I can't speak to how soil lightened with coco works. All I've done is peat.

You don't have to use Pro-Mix. You could use ordinary peat. If the bag's label doesn't say dolomite, I'd do more dolomite to makeup for what's in Pro-Mix. I'd add more perlite to make up for the perlite that comes in dolomite. (Maybe add some Xtreme myco to make up for the myco that comes in Pro-Mix too. But, that wouldnt' be as important to me as just getting an equivalent texture.).

There's nothing special about Kellogg. Ocean Forest of Happy Frog (or others) might work fine (or better). I picked Kellogg because it's cheap and at Home Depot. Works well enough for me. Its ph raises Pro-Mix's 5.8 ph up to about 6.2.
 

black jesus

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So with promix and sunshine you have to treat it like hydro cuz there isn't any added nutes right. I'm thinking about getting some or fox farm...but do the mix expand like sunshine states
 

black jesus

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So a bag of fox farm and a bag perlite... I don't think I take enough care to do a hydro gro yet. I would hate to deal with a lock out
 

hbbum

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I was intimidated by hydro at first also, after running it a few rounds I find it much easier than soil. Less fussing with teas and repotting, easy to correct issues and easier feeding. If you have a good size rez, I only need to check once or twice week and swap every 2-3 weeks.
 

a mongo frog

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So with promix and sunshine you have to treat it like hydro cuz there isn't any added nutes right. I'm thinking about getting some or fox farm...but do the mix expand like sunshine states
Soilless is easy bro. Hand water 3x a week or more if doing other soilless mediums. Go sunshine #4, with a good plant food. I bet you never turn back.
 
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