Everything I know is wrong?

gnm420

gnm420

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Well it has been over 10 years since I was growing. And I got all my info from various books and of course the legendary overgrow site as well as hands on. So back in the day I use chemical nutes. I know the importance of organics now but just reading up here I see a lot of opposition to things that were considered "the way to do things" back 10 years ago. Maybe someone can give me a breakdown on why these things are not used anymore.

1st off what I use with my babies.

Sprouting: water and hydrogen peroxide. From experience I get more healthy seedlings especially from old seed. But I read something here on someone joking about using it.

Seedlings: I use Hydrogen Peroxide, H2O2 again. The extra O so they don't get waterlogged. It was a great tip back in the day and again from experience it worked like a charm. Also helped my soil stay mold/fungus free.

Using superthrive for micro nutes and vities. I read now people are calling this snake oil. Is there another additive that is better? Honestly I saw a difference when using it. But that was before I went organic. If there is a better way I am into it. But I am also into super easy as I lead a very busy/ full life and I don't want to be messing with a bunch of stuff. I make my own compost and always used/made a no fuss compost tea with my veggie garden to feed with 0 deficiencies or problems. I know our favorite plant can get a little more hungry then other plants. And I have started digging but with organics it is very overwhelming because there are so many choices. Too many.

I picked up a few things to experiment with. Dr. Earths 7-4-3 Thies has feather, bone, kelp and stuff. I add it to water to make a tea. Age old Organics liquid 12-6-6 (this has some micro nutes). and Bat Guono. I forget the ratios of this one... something like 10-5-3. These are my veg nutes. And I add a combo to water to make a tea of sorts. So far so good. I am gust working on how much to give them and I am dialing it in. I started weak and I am still noticing that they are a little more hugry. So I am going to feed them a little more often until I get it dead on. To that I added the ST tho... so should I not do that next time? is it truly a waist? And I forgot I use to use Epsom salts too. Is this still relevant or not?
 
gnm420

gnm420

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foreverflyhi said:
I stopped reading your post after you said super thrive. Lay off the bottle mentality. Build soil.
Click on sticky ROLS thread here in the organic section, 500+ pages, get on reading.
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I can really see wisdom in that for sure. Build soil yes. That is what I do in the veggie garden. And I use the no till method and all that. But how do you do that when you are growing inside. I started to read the thread you mentioned. but like I said it is a little overwhelming. And I know everyone like to do things different. I have some very legit questions after the mention of superthrive. One of them being why people do not use it or consider it to be snake oil? And again do people still use Epsom salts for mag?

I am all for organic home compost and all of that. What I need is a okay on what I am using is enough without the superthrive and or what I add to the soil for micro nutes and all of that. I got organic ferts that I make into tea along with age old organics (like a liquid concentrate tea from what it looks like). I don't have any plant problems at the moment. I am just trying to avoid def that are more possible going into organic. And after a 10 year hiatus it looks like everything has changed. Especially since 10 years ago I was all about the chemical ferts. My family were hippies and they used them before me and just flushed good. Since then I have leaned the importance. But I really can't get my head around a well build soil in pots inside and 1st grow doing so. Help a brother out :D
 
greasemonkeymann

greasemonkeymann

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gnm420 said:
I can really see wisdom in that for sure. Build soil yes. That is what I do in the veggie garden. And I use the no till method and all that. But how do you do that when you are growing inside. I started to read the thread you mentioned. but like I said it is a little overwhelming. And I know everyone like to do things different. I have some very legit questions after the mention of superthrive. One of them being why people do not use it or consider it to be snake oil? And again do people still use Epsom salts for mag?

I am all for organic home compost and all of that. What I need is a okay on what I am using is enough without the superthrive and or what I add to the soil for micro nutes and all of that. I got organic ferts that I make into tea along with age old organics (like a liquid concentrate tea from what it looks like). I don't have any plant problems at the moment. I am just trying to avoid def that are more possible going into organic. And after a 10 year hiatus it looks like everything has changed. Especially since 10 years ago I was all about the chemical ferts. My family were hippies and they used them before me and just flushed good. Since then I have leaned the importance. But I really can't get my head around a well build soil in pots inside and 1st grow doing so. Help a brother out :D
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Superthrive is not needed, it doesn't do anything, if you want to do all the research into it you'll see, or you could just believe us...
The Epsom salts aren't needed in a good organic grow, you'll get your magnesium from many other areas.
just stick to reading the stickys here in the organic section, and you'll be on your way. It's not that hard really.
I also suggest to all organic growers to start both a wormbin as well as a good sized compost pile.
 
May11th

May11th

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If your lolking at simplicity, we can build you a soil yo just water through veg and most of flower. Easy pz
 
neonknight420

neonknight420

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Everything I use in organics none of the NPK numbers exceed 5. Especially the phosphorus, anything over that really pisses off the microbes. Keep your numbers really low and you will see exceptional results. You only want to feed your soil not the plant in organics. The NPK numbers you are stating are too high, that's more like numbers you see in synthetic nutes.
 
Alexander Supertramp

Alexander Supertramp

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greasemonkeymann said:
Superthrive is not needed, it doesn't do anything, if you want to do all the research into it you'll see, or you could just believe us...
The Epsom salts aren't needed in a good organic grow, you'll get your magnesium from many other areas.
just stick to reading the stickys here in the organic section, and you'll be on your way. It's not that hard really.
I also suggest to all organic growers to start both a wormbin as well as a good sized compost pile.
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Actually cannabis really benefits froms a bit of epsom salts added to your feeds. Especially the additional sulphur. Its so overlooked in the production of essential oils. IMO its best utilized when used as an amendment to your medium mix.
 
PoodleBud

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Alexander Supertramp said:
Actually cannabis really benefits froms a bit of epsom salts added to your feeds. Especially the additional sulphur. Its so overlooked in the production of essential oils. IMO its best utilized when used as an amendment to your medium mix.
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Could you say a bit more about epsom salts? I'm not familiar with using them and wouldn't know where/how to start. Thanks.
 
hyroot

hyroot

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Alexander Supertramp said:
Actually cannabis really benefits froms a bit of epsom salts added to your feeds. Especially the additional sulphur. Its so overlooked in the production of essential oils. IMO its best utilized when used as an amendment to your medium mix.
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you can also get sulphur / sulfer from neem seed meal, bentonite rock dust, glacial rock dust, basalt rock dust. Then you can get mag from crab shell meal, neem seed meal, and all the same rock dust. So Epsom salt is not necessary at all. You can get both from compost and worm castings (homemade)
 
Alexander Supertramp

Alexander Supertramp

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hyroot said:
you can also get sulphur / sulfer from neem seed meal, bentonite rock dust, glacial rock dust, basalt rock dust. Then you can get mag from crab shell meal, neem seed meal, and all the same rock dust. So Epsom salt is not necessary at all. You can get both from compost and worm castings (homemade)
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Those are other sources. I like Epsom Salts because it is readily available and has a much higher sulfur content than castings. EWC only contain trace amounts of sulfur. But EWC are still a vital part of good organic medium. And container medium as far as that goes.
 
Alexander Supertramp

Alexander Supertramp

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PoodleBud said:
Could you say a bit more about epsom salts? I'm not familiar with using them and wouldn't know where/how to start. Thanks.
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A good place to start is 1 tablespoon per gallon of medium when prepping soil for a grow. Or if the grow is already underway 1/4 teaspoon per gallon of water is a good place to start.
 
hyroot

hyroot

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Alexander Supertramp said:
Those are other sources. I like Epsom Salts because it is readily available and has a much higher sulfur content than castings. EWC only contain trace amounts of sulfur. But EWC are still a vital part of good organic medium. And container medium as far as that goes.
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that's why I said homemade castings. A worm bin is easy and doesn't take much space. Home made ewc contains what ever you feed the worms. Store bought castings contains very little. Except for agrowynn brand and build a soil.
 
moondance

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Super Thrive only help plants to up take minerals and food does nothing NPK wise at all ever! It is not food.
 
Cannasutraorganics

Cannasutraorganics

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Super thrive is a great way to increase growth and vigor in your plants during veg. 2 components in it stay in the bud and give a headache to most people when smoked.
The main ingediant inn super thrive is coconut milk from very young coconuts. I just get the young coconuts and do it myself.
 
Dr. Who

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Super Thrive LOL really?

If you want to actually do something for the kiddies.....Use a Kelp extract......Age Old Kelp is my fav...

I also like kelp meal and Alfalfa meal as my "meal" builders when building the soil. I do add some Crab meal, but that's in small amounts in relation to the others.
 
greasemonkeymann

greasemonkeymann

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Alexander Supertramp said:
Actually cannabis really benefits froms a bit of epsom salts added to your feeds. Especially the additional sulphur. Its so overlooked in the production of essential oils. IMO its best utilized when used as an amendment to your medium mix.
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like hyroot said, and I totally agree, magnesium, calcium, sulphur, etc, etc, ALL of those are covered with a properly made soil.
Epsom, calmag, d-lime, etc. Are not needed unless you have a deficiency. Which you should not have because it's easy to supply those.
not saying you are incorrect, just saying that my original post does have some merit to it. As does yours.
 
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