Is 18 oz a good return for 2 x 600w in soil?

[jwreck]

and all im saying is that he can veg a little longer and get a higher yield but you want to quote me and start a debate so every one can know what a master grower you are.
i hate SOG thats not my thing, i like to look at my plants make sure there are no hermies or bugs and thats hard to do in a sog set up, also in my state they dont care if your plant is big or small male or female, every plant is considered 100g so make sure you know the laws of your state

 

[Tone5500]

How log have you been growing OP??

 

[mo841]

anytime you can grow it for less than you can buy it is a win.

 

[brimck325]

and all im saying is that he can veg a little longer and get a higher yield but you want to quote me and start a debate so every one can know what a master grower you are.
i hate SOG thats not my thing, i like to look at my plants make sure there are no hermies or bugs and thats hard to do in a sog set up, also in my state they dont care if your plant is big or small male or female, every plant is considered 100g so make sure you know the laws of your state

thats not at all what you were saying. sativa was giving good info, but because it wasn't the advice you gave you deemed it as wrong. read your post! i run 4 plants next to 2x600's n give a long veg because it works for me, not everyone else. 40 oz. is a very realistic number to shoot for, 48 or higher isn't out of reach either.

 

[jay719]

I would be extremely disappointed to pull 18oz from 2x 600w lamps. 12 to 14oz off each lamp should be quite easy to do.

 

[jwreck]

thats not at all what you were saying. sativa was giving good info, but because it wasn't the advice you gave you deemed it as wrong. read your post! i run 4 plants next to 2x600's n give a long veg because it works for me, not everyone else. 40 oz. is a very realistic number to shoot for, 48 or higher isn't out of reach either.

i asked the OP a simple question as it seems he hasnt been growing long, 18 oz? i can get that with just 2 plants and one 600 easy and not have to risk getting caught with 10. never recall asking you or the other guy anything.
i dont post on RIU to debate and hate when others flood a thread with quotes and bullshit drama

 

[brimck325]

so don't start drama! real simple. i can get 16 from 1 plant with 2 600's and 3 other plants in the room. this isn't a size contest though, it's trying to help the op.

 

[personal lux]

Basically as the title says, ive got this as final dry weight but am disappointed as i was expecting a bare minimum of 25 oz. I got 15 under one 600w in an adjusta wing reflector the time before so assumed i should be able to double this in theory? How come ive ended up with only 3zs more?

Everything was the same as before except the temps were higher slightly. 2 x 600w hps in a 2x1.2x2m tent. House and garden full range, plagron bat mix soil, 11 litre pots. Plants were vegged from seed for 3 weeks till they were 12 inches tall and fimmed one.
This time i used 2 supernova air cooled hoods rather than the one adjusta wing, simply due to the heat. My lights on temps average 33 degrees celsius and lights off temps are 20 degrees. I have to grow on the top floor of a 3 story house so naturally all the heat collects up there and ive tried everything to get rid of it but this is the coolest i can get it. I would have thought i could have still got about 25 to 30 oz..where has this gone wrong?

18 zips under A 600 is a decent job in my honest opinion. Where you messed up on your swcond run was not having large enough containers and too short of veg times. Try again with 10 5-7 gallon pots with 5-6 weeks veg. I think youll hit atleast 3 zips per plant if you managed 18 from 1 600 in 3s. Dont let it get you down keep trying man

 

[jwreck]

he got 18 from 2 600s not 1 and 10 plants at that. its still good dont get me wrong but all im saying is he could get that with fewer plants just veggin a little longer

 

[Dankfactory]

youre telling him to shorten his veg time which is short already (3 weeks) and then also telling him hes gonna pull 40 0s off ten plants that way lol talk about disinformation

Some critical info that hasn't been mentioned: A three week veg time is appropriate as long as the cuts came out of rooting with vibrant, white heathy roots, enabling them to explode from day 1. Also, people always forget to factor in the stretch phase of bloom which offers more growth prior to flowers appearing. This is why end yield numbers don't mean shit. I think this is what Sativied is trying to get across. Sure, ANYone can yield 8 zips off of one plant. But is it economical considering Veg time just went up drastically? It's not as cut and dry as it would seem...
By the way, this problem is of course solved with a dedicated Veg room, which I employ, but many do not. For those vegging in the same space as their bloom phase? Quick rotation of veg to bloom is the way to go.
By the way: the word is "misinformation."

 

[Dankfactory]

i asked the OP a simple question as it seems he hasnt been growing long, 18 oz? i can get that with just 2 plants and one 600 easy and not have to risk getting caught with 10. never recall asking you or the other guy anything.
i dont post on RIU to debate and hate when others flood a thread with quotes and bullshit drama

You don't post on RIU to debate eh? The reality is, when you pontificate on matters in such a demeanor so as to come across like you haven't the slightest fucking idea what you're talking about, sometimes the debate just inevitably finds you. Again, end yield is utterly meaningless as it relates to veg time, unless you have a dedicated veg space where the plants have been vegged out for a couple to a few months. But even then, the only argument is that a larger plant will yield more. Well, No Shit.

 

[Dankfactory]

"Hey dudes. Did you guys, like, know that, like, if you Veg your plant out longer that it'll like, yield more?
Killer right? Alright compadres. Just makin sure you like, were savvy to that knowledge. Over and out. "

 

[Sativied]

"Hey dudes. Did you guys, like, know that, like, if you Veg your plant out longer that it'll like, yield more?
Killer right?

Or you can use more plants, veg less, still get the same total amount of yield (only so many bud sites /colas can fit in a space), and do an extra run per year. And if you don't want to use those remaining weeks to yield more per year you save a shit load of electricity without having to settle for led. Fucking awesome aye?

 

[Dankfactory]

Or you can use more plants, veg less, still get the same total amount of yield (only so many bud sites /colas can fit in a space), and do an extra run per year. And if you don't want to use those remaining weeks to yield more per year you save a shit load of electricity without having to settle for led. Fucking awesome aye?

Agreed. I thought this was common knowledge. Can anybody hold JWreck's hand and explain this to him?

 

[Greenhouse;save]

Both sides r CORRECT longer veg time equals bigger plants equals bigger yield........sog means more plants LESS veg time therefore anouther cycle will be achieved.......but guys sativied is offering his way of obtaining the ops objectives the same as outhers are offering theirs..........so at the end of the day..............it's ALWAYS nightime.....same applies to a preferred way of growing......we will all get their in the end..... but if my 2pence means anything you your temps r wots affected your yield......

 

[switch]

Haha wow didnt expect this thread to cause such a fuss lol. Cheers for all your input gents. ive been Growing for several years now but only very small scale up till a couple of grows ago. Like someone else said what i do with my harvest is my business. I was just really looking for opinions on wether i was expecting too much or not, but i realise now that i definately should be achieving more. The veg time thing is an obvious one, i dont care for long veg and big trees, overall yeild is king for me. Cheers for the info anyway lads.

p.s. if any of you have any experience with leds can you let me know as im still in the dark over these.

 

[Sativied]

p.s. if any of you have any experience with leds can you let me know as im still in the dark over these.

There's a sub forum here about lighting, pretty much dedicated to leds and if you really can't solve the ventilation/temp issue and stealth is such a major issue the LED may be a good solution for you.

 

[Greenhouse;save]

Led thread might be a good start .......and a few outhers earlier in the thread mentioned a few guys that r expert's on leds........oilmaker is an outher.........listen my Freind u say u have been growing for a couple of years.........well surely it's not that hard to search the info you require out........

 

[Dankfactory]

Haha wow didnt expect this thread to cause such a fuss lol. Cheers for all your input gents. ive been Growing for several years now but only very small scale up till a couple of grows ago. Like someone else said what i do with my harvest is my business. I was just really looking for opinions on wether i was expecting too much or not, but i realise now that i definately should be achieving more. The veg time thing is an obvious one, i dont care for long veg and big trees, overall yeild is king for me. Cheers for the info anyway lads.

p.s. if any of you have any experience with leds can you let me know as im still in the dark over these.

I'm not sold on them as a sole source of lighting, but supplementing HID with LED COBs is a good way to get a solid yield while drastically cutting your electric bill. I've done dozens of DIY led builds for both cannabis cultivation as well as aquarium lighting and I don't think I'll ever ditch HID entirely.

 

[personal lux]

he got 18 from 2 600s not 1 and 10 plants at that. its still good dont get me wrong but all im saying is he could get that with fewer plants just veggin a little longer

He got 15 from 1 600 actual. Even still about .7 gpw better than most still.