Need some help choosing an organic method.

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personal lux

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Pattahabi said:
I'm not asking you to. I'm asking for you to back up your statements about Kyle.

The way I see it, it's not organic, and it's not great. However, if you want to expound on your claims, I'm all ears.

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None of the statements ive made are from my own findings. If you want the real research, again ill push you towards the kylekushman.com forums.
 
hydroMD

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Or throw a little something in the water to neutralize the chloramine.


Pretty sure MM (Tim Wilson) disproved the bubble size theory. Not all anaerobic bacteria are harmful. Check out theunconventionalfarmer.com.

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Ill have to look Into that. As far as im concerned, a few studies that show some anerobics being helpful Isnt enough to outweigh the fact that most will not be... and if conditions promote anerobics your simply not going to have the beneficial biomass of a properly made aact (unfortunately I dont have the time to thoroughly read the page you linked, so if there is some groundbreaking findings that im unaware please link me up brotha! ) Thanks for the link, im outta books :)
 
Pattahabi

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hydroMD said:
Ill have to look Into that. As far as im concerned, a few studies that show some anerobics being helpful Isnt enough to outweigh the fact that most will not be... and if conditions promote anerobics your simply not going to have the beneficial biomass of a properly made aact (unfortunately I dont have the time to thoroughly read the page you linked, so if there is some groundbreaking findings that im unaware please link me up brotha! ) Thanks for the link, im outta books :)
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I didn't say you want anaerobic bacteria in an act. I said not all anaerobic bacteria are harmful.

Here's a book for you. It's not a how to grow your cannabis book. More on the philosophical side.

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Pattahabi said:
I didn't say you want anaerobic bacteria in anitact. I said not all anaerobic bacteria are harmful.

Here's a book for you. It's not a how to grow your cannabis book. More on the philosophical side.

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Lets be honest, even the how to grow your cannabis books contain a lot of philosophy :)
 
greasemonkeymann

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hydroMD said:
Just a tid bit... tap, well, and spring water are a no go for organics... as well as the fact that aerobic bacteria is what your after, 24 hours of a non aerated soak is going to allow anerobic bacteria to get the upper hand, (bacteria multiply every 20 seconds or so) s providing the acceptable conditions for the microbes you want are very Important.

Id suggest adding an air stone that provides bubbles no less than 1mm in diamteter as this will also hinder fungal growth. (Fungus spores are very fragile and too small of air bubbles will literally shred them Apart

:) hope someone finds this useful.
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I don't agree with this at all. Tap water and well water are totally fine if they test ok.
To say that type of a blanket statements is sorta not helpful.
hydroMD said:
Well water can contain contaminants from ground soil and spring water already has a microbial system living in it. These will compete with your beneficial bacteria making thingsless affective.

Edit: spring, well & tap can be used with carbon filtering as long as your ppms stay below 100. 50-60 is ideal in my experience. If you cant get your ppm that low with just carbon, reverse osmosis is recomended


Good call on the pvc :)

I do the same for my big dog, but lil stones are easily cleaned if were talking a few gallons of teas once a month :)
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so BIMs are a bad thing then?
I am beginning to think that you don't know as much as you first came across, gonna have to ponder the ignore button, it''s taking me entirely too much time to do this.
 
hydroMD

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greasemonkeymann said:
I don't agree with this at all. Tap water and well water are totally fine if they test ok.
To say that type of a blanket statements is sorta not helpful.

so BIMs are a bad thing then?
I am beginning to think that you don't know as much as you first came across, gonna have to ponder the ignore button, it''s taking me entirely too much time to do this.
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Well water, especially where Im from, draws from a water pool heavily saturated in synthetic commercial fertilizer for the last 80 years.

Tap water will contain chlorine or chloramine. Which whole purpose is to kill microorganisms. If you read all my post then you'd see I said later on that if tap is all you have a carbon filter will work to make it ok as long as your ppm are low. If not you'll need RO.

Tell me what is false about this advice?!?!
 
greasemonkeymann

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hydroMD said:
Well water, especially where Im from, draws from a water pool heavily saturated in synthetic commercial fertilizer for the last 80 years.

Tap water will contain chlorine or chloramine. Which whole purpose is to kill microorganisms. If you read all my post then you'd see I said later on that if tap is all you have a carbon filter will work to make it ok as long as your ppm are low. If not you'll need RO.

Tell me what is false about this advice?!?!
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So well water from where you are is bad, and YOUR tap water is bad, doesn't mean ALL is.
that's what I was saying.
And what about BIMs?
 
Pattahabi

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hydroMD said:
Well water, especially where Im from, draws from a water pool heavily saturated in synthetic commercial fertilizer for the last 80 years.

Tap water will contain chlorine or chloramine. Which whole purpose is to kill microorganisms. If you read all my post then you'd see I said later on that if tap is all you have a carbon filter will work to make it ok as long as your ppm are low. If not you'll need RO.

Tell me what is false about this advice?!?!
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Dude, that stuff evaporates out when you mix it with water! Lol! :roll:
 
hydroMD

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greasemonkeymann said:
So well water from where you are is bad, and YOUR tap water is bad, doesn't mean ALL is.
that's what I was saying.
And what about BIMs?
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All tap water not run through a filter Is bad.

I have extremely good tap water. Ppm of 70. But chloramine is still present.


This is pretty general stuff. No where in America is tap water fit for TLO straight from the faucet from a public water supply.
 
Pattahabi

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hydroMD said:
Chloride yes. Pesticides, herbicides, etc... maybe not.
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Don't forget Sodium! Those metallic elements will evaporate out if you're not careful!

hydroMD said:
All tap water not run through a filter Is bad.

I have extremely good tap water. Ppm of 70. But chloramine is still present.


This is pretty general stuff. No where in America is tap water fit for TLO straight from the faucet from a public water supply.
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Lol, coming from the guy that is talking about it's possible to use chemical ferts and not kill your microherd! Lots of people have grown perfectly healthy plants using tap water (no carbon filter) and well water. It's possible!

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hydroMD

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Pattahabi said:
Don't forget Sodium! Those metallic elements will evaporate out if you're not careful!


Lol, coming from the guy that is talking about it's possible to use chemical ferts and not kill your microherd! Lots of people have grown perfectly healthy plants using tap water (no carbon filter) and well water. It's possible!

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I never said chemical ferts wont hurt your micro populations. I actually stated several times that it does. Several times.

I did say there are products that come in a bottle that are organic, that will sustain microbial life without hindering (NOT SYNTHETIC/CHEMICAL) -


Your contradicting yourself.

Chemical fertilizers is a no go but chemical water is ok!?!?!
you know why chlorine is added to tap right? TO KILL MICROORGANISMS!!!


Your right, plenty of people have grown great bud with tap and well water.


Probably not a lot of TLO growers though considering it prohibits the main goal... microbes
(Well water CAN be fine, but there are instances that make me weary in some locations)

Please. Just stop.
 
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