Under what individual authority does government exist?

[Red1966]

Consent is defined as permission for something to happen or agreement to do something. There is nothing In the standard definition that implies consent being voluntary........ consent no longer has to be voluntarily given, it can be taken by threat of force

Do you realize how foolish you appear?

 

[Red1966]

At no time did I state money in politics is a virtue. Electing people into office, does not and should not require billions of dollars on campaigns. I believe if you can't run solely on your ideas and principals, and not on rhetoric and slander, there is no place for you as a person of authority in this country. I also believe that it's the responsibility of the voter to be informed independently of biased mainstream sources, which is why I support classes at the high school level, as well as free courses inside community centers that will give people the mental tools required to source their own facts and data.

So you want publicly supported indoctrination?

 

[Red1966]

So RobRoy is asking what monarch allows democracy to exist?
Such strange questions...such smelly fur.

The Queen of England is one.

 

[NewtoMJ]

Do you realize how foolish you appear?

It's not foolish, that is our sad reality.

So you want publicly supported indoctrination?

If I review what it was like in school, as compared to what I have since learned to be true afterword... I would say we already have publicly supported indoctrination. I don't think I had one conservative professor in college, all of them would push their agenda at some point, and I was once reprimanded for arguing in support of our militaries men and women. Yes, I would say we already have indoctrination, so we should at least try to teach people how to fact check.

 

[Red1966]

It's not foolish, that is our sad reality.

No. You tried to twist the meaning of "consent" into "forced" to satisfy your belief that just being born is explicit consent to subjugation

If I review what it was like in school, as compared to what I have since learned to be true afterword... I would say we already have publicly supported indoctrination. I don't think I had one conservative professor in college, all of them would push their agenda at some point, and I was once reprimanded for arguing in support of our militaries men and women. Yes, I would say we already have indoctrination, so we should at least try to teach people how to fact check.

The schools are already controlled by the left wing. They're not going to teach you to fact check. You'll just get more of the same shit they've been feeding you/

 

[abandonconflict]

There is no left wing.

 

[NewtoMJ]

No. You tried to twist the meaning of "consent" into "forced" to satisfy your belief that just being born is explicit consent to subjugation



The schools are already controlled by the left wing. They're not going to teach you to fact check. You'll just get more of the same shit they've been feeding you/

The dictionary definition of consent doesn't say anything about the means through which consent is obtained, legally speaking it must be given on free will, without any coercion while someone is of sound mind. However the paradox is if you accept the legal definition, that means you must have given that legal entity(the government court system in this case) consent to define the term for you. But if you have not given them consent to enforce their laws that are perceived as unjust upon you, how can you trust or consent them to define such an important term? If you want to pick and choose what applies and what doesn't, then why cm a serial killer not consent to murder being illegal? Sure, there may be moral issues drawing a line at murder, but then you are forcing someone to conform to your ideas without consent. Is your goal not to allow institutions to force their agenda unto you without consent? Sorry if my writings are poorly formatted, this touchscreen carl sucks.

 

[Red1966]

The dictionary definition of consent doesn't say anything about the means through which consent is obtained, legally speaking it must be given on free will, without any coercion while someone is of sound mind. However the paradox is if you accept the legal definition, that means you must have given that legal entity(the government court system in this case) consent to define the term for you. But if you have not given them consent to enforce their laws that are perceived as unjust upon you, how can you trust or consent them to define such an important term? If you want to pick and choose what applies and what doesn't, then why cm a serial killer not consent to murder being illegal? Sure, there may be moral issues drawing a line at murder, but then you are forcing someone to conform to your ideas without consent. Is your goal not to allow institutions to force their agenda unto you without consent? Sorry if my writings are poorly formatted, this touchscreen carl sucks.

con·sent
kənˈsent/agreement, assent, acceptance, approval, approbation;More
permission, authorization, sanction, leave;
backing, endorsement, support;
informalgo-ahead, thumbs up, green light, OK
"the consent of all members"
antonyms:dissent
verb
verb: consent; 3rd person present: consents; past tense: consented; past participle: consented; gerund or present participle: consenting

1. 1.
   give permission for something to happen.
   "he consented to a search by a detective"
   synonyms:agree to, assent to, yield to, give in to, submit to;More

"Depends on what the definition of is is."

Oh, give us a break

 

[NewtoMJ]

con·sent
kənˈsent/agreement, assent, acceptance, approval, approbation;More
permission, authorization, sanction, leave;
backing, endorsement, support;
informalgo-ahead, thumbs up, green light, OK
"the consent of all members"
antonyms:dissent
verb
verb: consent; 3rd person present: consents; past tense: consented; past participle: consented; gerund or present participle: consenting

1. 1.
   give permission for something to happen.
   "he consented to a search by a detective"
   synonyms:agree to, assent to, yield to, give in to, submit to;More

"Depends on what the definition of is is."

Oh, give us a break

Yea, nowhere does it say consent cannot be coerced. If you can't develop a rebuttal against my statements, that's fine. But trying to dismiss the logic, because you don't like it does not further the conversation. I agree government plays far too large a role in the private lives of citizens, but to expect the right to individually consent to everything is equally as asinine as my argument.

 

[Red1966]

Yea, nowhere does it say consent cannot be coerced. If you can't develop a rebuttal against my statements, that's fine. But trying to dismiss the logic, because you don't like it does not further the conversation. I agree government plays far too large a role in the private lives of citizens, but to expect the right to individually consent to everything is equally as asinine as my argument.

nowhere does it say consent can be coerced either, Pretending I didn't rebut your statement and there was some logic to them is dishonest.

No, your argument was just being born is giving consent and "society" has the right to force you to comply. Now you're try to make it out to be something else.

 

[NewtoMJ]

nowhere does it say consent can be coerced either, Pretending I didn't rebut your statement and there was some logic to them is dishonest.

No, your argument was just being born is giving consent and "society" has the right to force you to comply. Now you're try to make it out to be something else.

Those are my statements, but you're only rebuttal was saying the thoughts were ridiculous.

 

[NoDrama]

There is no left wing.

Correct, those people are now called Idiots. So now there are idiots, centrists and righties.

 

[UncleBuck]

Correct, those people are now called Idiots. So now there are idiots, centrists and righties.

science shows conservatism correlates with lower intelligence and racism though.

so you almost got it right, except for the fact that you were 100% wrong.

 

[Red1966]

Those are my statements, but you're only rebuttal was saying the thoughts were ridiculous.

No, I said you were trying to redefine the meaning of "consent" to suit your promoting of serfdom. So "dishonest", not "ridiculous".

 

[Rob Roy]

The Queen of England is one.

She's a Sasquatch? Fuck!!!

I knew it.

 

[Rob Roy]

science shows conservatism correlates with lower intelligence and racism though.

so you almost got it right, except for the fact that you were 100% wrong.

Some tests have revealed that Libertarians are smarted than liberals....go figure.

 

[UncleBuck]

Some tests have revealed that Libertarians are smarted than liberals....go figure.

no, this has not been demonstrated at all. ever.

you are simply too stupid to interpret the results of the study you are citing, and instead relied on the spin of one of your fellow retard libertarians.

 

[NewtoMJ]

No, I said you were trying to redefine the meaning of "consent" to suit your promoting of serfdom. So "dishonest", not "ridiculous".

I'm not redefining consent, even the definition you posted previously does not make clear whether consent can be coerced or strictly voluntary. If you are implying that it's generally accepted as something that must be given without coercion, well I did not consent to that.

 

[Harrekin]

I'm not redefining consent, even the definition you posted previously does not make clear whether consent can be coerced or strictly voluntary. If you are implying that it's generally accepted as something that must be given without coercion, well I did not consent to that.

Consent and coercion are mutually exclusive terms.

 

[Rob Roy]

no, this has not been demonstrated at all. ever.

you are simply too stupid to interpret the results of the study you are citing, and instead relied on the spin of one of your fellow retard libertarians.