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Shastafarian

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I'd like them a lot better if they were really F1's, since IMO nothing beats true hybrid vigour, but most of TGA gear is based on only a few males, so re-crossing their stuff probably yields a lot more BX or poly-hybrids than true F1s, since a true F1 has parents with distinct genotypes (i.e. when you cross two different landraces). Equilibrium is a good example of someone who has REAL F1's, since he has a couple great heirloom landraces that go into crosses like Colombian x Malawi
Really hmmm my bad I guess I mixed that up ….? thought F1 was 1st cross was kinda unstable if those where from very first choice of bad parents to screw especially, like Old Bobylynn and her cousin Billy to bang in the back woods and they give you some inbred looking harder to find F1s that have to be worked into a decent cross by choosing your best phenos out of alot more beans. But you put 2 or even 3 sexy adults together very compatible to bang and they give you good F1s with your Hybrid vigor.
 

Ace Yonder

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Really hmmm my bad I guess I mixed that up ….? thought F1 was 1st cross was kinda unstable if those where from very first choice of bad parents to screw especially, like Old Bobylynn and her cousin Billy to bang in the back woods and they give you some inbred looking harder to find F1s that have to be worked into a decent cross by choosing your best phenos out of alot more beans. But you put 2 or even 3 sexy adults together very compatible to bang and they give you good F1s with your Hybrid vigor.
F1 is the first cross, but it has to be the first cross of two plants with completely different genotypes. In terms of stability, f1 is actually much more stable than f2, since you see a lot more recessive genetics pop up in the f2 generation. For instance, lets say purple is a recessive gene and let's call it p (p for purple, lower case since it's recessive), and lets say green is a dominant gene and let's call it G (For green, capital for dominant). Now we breed A purple plant with genes pp to a green plant with genes GG. Every single member of the F1 generation will be Gp, and will express green, with no purples to be found. Now we cross two of those, Gp x Gp, and our F2 generation will be 25% GG, 25% pp, and 50% Gp, giving us an F2 generation that will be 25% purple 75% Green (66% of which will carry the recessive allele for purple). If you were trying to get purple you could keep isolating and breeding. Since most of the TGA strains share parental lineage, crossing them won't yield an F1, but rather just backcrossing or moving forward another filial generation. Because Hybrid Vigour as a natural phenomenon is correlated most strongly to the dissimilarities in the genetics of the crossing plants, crossing two plants that share genetic lineage is unlikely to induce true hybrid vigour, or heterosis.
"The physiological vigor of an organism as manifested in its rapidity of growth, its height and general robustness, is positively correlated with the degree of dissimilarity in the gametes by whose union the organism was formed … The more numerous the differences between the uniting gametes — at least within certain limits — the greater on the whole is the amount of stimulation …"

So yeah, inbred Bobylynn screwing her cousin Billy wouldn't give you F1 hybrid vigour because they are cousins so they share too many genetics.
 
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Shastafarian

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Thanks, that was a really good explanation I finally enjoy and understand this deeper discussion. The last part is getting pretty deep with the gametes and Zygots, Diploid or Haploids wow. I did a bunch of research around 2005 in Jorge Cervantes grow bible and he does get pretty deep into breeding also but I couldn't really rap my mind fully around it. I did get the jist of it back then and started working with a bunch of my different clones and took a solid Afghani Male to try breeding them the best way I could with the different hybrid clones. I made 2 decent crosses but the others where so weird never showing real good quality bud. I understood that this was going on but not in this detail. I have since been working with some quality genetics and I seem to get some pretty good success crossing my Indica dom hybrids now .
 
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yodabuds

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Oh shit, was going to maybe drop the ball on some yetis and noticed this posted on ngr, wtf I hope everything is alright.... I love this seedbank to much and will be sad if it's shut down sending positive vibes ngrs way
NOTICE:

To all Nature Green Remedies customers,

Due to unforeseen circumstances, all sales are suspended until further notice. Orders already placed will be processed as soon as possible. We know this is an inconvenience for all our loyal customers, and we are working hard to figure out a solution to continue providing you with the quality of service you expect.
 

Shastafarian

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It sucks I went on the site yesterday morning:o to check the new stuff but it wouldn't let me… yikes:cry: ? I knew something wasn't good right then and emailed NGR about it with no response back. I hope we didn't advertise them too much.
 

akhiymjames

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Yea I realized this too yesterday and was very bummed out. Looks like legislation may have caught up with the business. This is not facts just my opinion but I'd bet money that's what happened. Until this is accepted by the federal government as not being illegal which I don't overstand why its not being that the federal city state whatever you wanna call it is legal to smoke and grow. Once that happened the law should've changed but oh well. I really hope they get back up and running. Made about 10-15 orders past year and I would just like to see them stay running.
 

amgprb

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It might just be a problem with their merchant account/payment system...

I went on yesterday morning. The site was working but when I went to click to buy a strain/check availability - when it redirected to the next page it was their payment section and it displayed "oops there was a problem, if you are the owner of this site you must log in"
 

topcat

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It might just be a problem with their merchant account/payment system...

I went on yesterday morning. The site was working but when I went to click to buy a strain/check availability - when it redirected to the next page it was their payment section and it displayed "oops there was a problem, if you are the owner of this site you must log in"
I'm thinking the same thing. At least, I'm trying to think positively that it's just a financial setback and things will return to normal. I think if they were put out of business they'd shut down the site except for a brief explanation like Seed Depot did a couple years ago. At least, that's what I hope, I would be bummed out if they folded. I'd still send a money order or even cash if need be.
 

Shastafarian

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Oh Ya….sending those good vibes that way always in hopes for the best but we gotta be more careful with all the talk maybe too. You think the Gov maybe read these forums from time to time to see whats going on though?:-? we have to be a little respectful to that.
 
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amgprb

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Oh Ya….sending those good vibes that way always in hopes for the best but we gotta be more careful with all the talky talk maybe too. You think the Gov maybe read these forums from time to time to see whats going on though?:-? we have to be a little respectful to that.
Nah... Carry on and talk!

NGR is all over Instagram promoting his site... I dont think he is worried about it
 

thenotsoesoteric

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Yea I realized this too yesterday and was very bummed out. Looks like legislation may have caught up with the business. This is not facts just my opinion but I'd bet money that's what happened. Until this is accepted by the federal government as not being illegal which I don't overstand why its not being that the federal city state whatever you wanna call it is legal to smoke and grow. Once that happened the law should've changed but oh well. I really hope they get back up and running. Made about 10-15 orders past year and I would just like to see them stay running.
I figured this would happen, once they start selling to non legal states they were pushing their luck. This isn't a game and there are nut jobs whose careers are to try and send people to prison. Plus if NGR wasn't paying brides or greasing palms, a lot of rich fat cats don't like that kind of shit and would see to it to do something about it. Americans are off our rockers. Go buy your alcohol and get you opiates legally prescribed but some weed and get arrest and not get a nice job because you smoked two weeks before a drug test. Sucks to live in suck a state of ignorant bliss.
 
Had the chance to speak with the owner yesterday! He was kind enough to let me know what was happening to him.
hes going through some personal issues guys. im not gonna get into detail out of respect for his privacy.
But he also let me know that he was gonna be back on it as soon as he could! And we shouldnt worry too much!
Also said any orders waiting to be shipped right now will just take an extra couple days but they will still go out. so if u were lucky enough to get in on the loompa deal quick enough u should still be getting ship confirmation soon!
 
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