l.e.ds vs hps

[KarmaPaymentPlan]

Ok so the 4x8 is running almost 1000 watts but the plants look short. Small. And like they wont stretch like an hps could provide through early flower. Also theres like four fixtures that probably cost more than a cheap bulb and electronic ballast thatll last for as long as the leds would. Id spend the couple extra bucks on inefficientcy to get better results, and faster results.

i like denser plants the led lasts 5 years and they grow plants just as fast what am i missing?you guys always talk about these large yields and turn around but never have any money to throw down on some new shit the cost of an ounce can build you a solid light imo and it will perform to expectations

 

[REALSTYLES]

Ok so the 4x8 is running almost 1000 watts but the plants look short. Small. And like they wont stretch like an hps could provide through early flower. Also theres like four fixtures that probably cost more than a cheap bulb and electronic ballast thatll last for as long as the leds would. Id spend the couple extra bucks on inefficientcy to get better results, and faster results.

They had to be topped down to 18"-20" tall. They are no way short and they are super bushy under 744watts. Monday will be the first day of flower.

 

[Alienwidow]

i like denser plants the led lasts 5 years and they grow plants just as fast what am i missing?you guys always talk about these large yields and turn around but never have any money to throw down on some new shit the cost of an ounce can build you a solid light imo and it will perform to expectations

We have different expectations. I expect to be able to have six feet of penetration from the top to bottom of the plant. Hps has better penetration through the canopy to the bottoms for me. I can see if you want to train all the plants and make flat plants how youd like leds but i dont have the time for making my plants accept the light given. I like light that doesnt take no for an answer. Who knows if its more money to replace the bulbs or not. Even with "never having any money" a brand new hps bulbs intensity is amazing.

Out of curiosity does anyone know why stadiums arent using leds for light?? Well besides for the scoreboard?

 

[churchhaze]

We have different expectations. I expect to be able to have six feet of penetration from the top to bottom of the plant. Hps has better penetration through the canopy to the bottoms for me. I can see if you want to train all the plants and make flat plants how youd like leds but i dont have the time for making my plants accept the light given. I like light that doesnt take no for an answer. Who knows if its more money to replace the bulbs or not. Even with "never having any money" a brand new hps bulbs intensity is amazing.

Out of curiosity does anyone know why stadiums arent using leds for light?? Well besides for the scoreboard?

The thing about Realstyle's lamps is that they're totally overbuilt. They actually could penetrate 6 feet of growth at full setting.

The reason stadiums don't use LED's is because they have metal halides installed already.. Give it some time. Your argument is really tiring. You act like leds are not progressing at all, and that things aren't quickly switching over. The leds being released now aren't like the ones being released year ago, and the ones a year ago weren't like the ones released a year before that. When they budgeted the lighting in the stadium. Cxb wasn't around yet. It's not like leds were created during genesis. You already fucking know the ones worth a damn just came out. That's why the people who originally used HPS are finally switching over, not years ago. No offense, but it's a pretty stupid argument.

You have cognitive dissonance hard core. Not only can it penetrate better if you use more of it, it's quickly replacing out HPS in street lights everywhere. LED technology is already far ahead of HID, especially for human lighting such as stadium or street lighting.

 

[Alienwidow]

The thing about Realstyle's lamps is that they're totally overbuilt. They actually could penetrate 6 feet of growth at full setting.

The reason stadiums don't use LED's is because they have metal halides installed already.. Give it some time. Your argument is really tiring. You act like leds are not progressing at all, and that things aren't quickly switching over. The leds being released now aren't like the ones being released year ago, and the ones a year ago weren't like the ones released a year before that. When they budgeted the lighting in the stadium. Cxb wasn't around yet. It's not like leds were created during genesis. You already fucking know the ones worth a damn just came out. That's why the people who originally used HPS are finally switching over, not years ago. No offense, but it's a pretty stupid argument.

You have cognitive dissonance hard core. Not only can it penetrate better if you use more of it, it's quickly replacing out HPS in street lights everywhere. LED technology is already far ahead of HID, especially for human lighting such as stadium or street lighting.

Im a huge fan of led technology. I think its great. I really do, i know a bunch of science geeks that do work in the field. My post isnt really ment to argue, its just my expirience. Ive been in plenty of led grows and many more hps ones. Ive used leds, floro tubes, hps, i cant find a decently priced 1000w equivalent to my de bulbs with the penatration, and yeild as my hps's. Biggest production ive seen has been always been hps.

i dunno maybe i missed the science showing that the penetration of commercially availible led lights is better than hps, and not manufacture claims either, but i havent seen it posted here yet.

I do agree with the technology being more advanced too. Smaller more compact design that runs more efficiently. Cant really beat that can ya?

 

[churchhaze]

Im a huge fan of led technology. I think its great. I really do, i know a bunch of science geeks that do work in the field. My post isnt really ment to argue, its just my expirience. Ive been in plenty of led grows and many more hps ones. Ive used leds, floro tubes, hps, i cant find a decently priced 1000w equivalent to my de bulbs with the penatration, and yeild as my hps's. Biggest production ive seen has been always been hps.

i dunno maybe i missed the science showing that the penetration of commercially availible led lights is better than hps, and not manufacture claims either, but i havent seen it posted here yet.

I do agree with the technology being more advanced too. Smaller more compact design that runs more efficiently. Cant really beat that can ya?

I'm not a huge fan of it. I could give a rats ass. I'm just getting sick of the retarded arguments.

You know what? I use HPS.. there. My HPS penetrates now.

I don't care if you're a fan of it. Good for you. HPS light doesn't penetrate better than "LED" light. That doesn't even make sense. Light is light. More light penetrates better. My lamp, which happens to use LEDS, generates more light power per dissipated watt, thus 400W of my lamp will penetrate better than 400W of HPS. Penetration is bullshit to begin with.

 

[Alienwidow]

I'm not a huge fan of it. I could give a rats ass. I'm just getting sick of the retarded arguments.

You know what? I use HPS.. there. My HPS penetrates now.

I don't care if you're a fan of it. Good for you. HPS light doesn't penetrate better than "LED" light. That doesn't even make sense. Light is light. More light penetrates better. My lamp, which happens to use LEDS, generates more light power per dissipated watt, thus 400W of my lamp will penetrate better than 400W of HPS.

Time for a tampon change? I think so. I told you im not arguing just posting expireinces. Im glad you have a powerfull 400w led. I have a 320w led and the things a piece of shit. Along with the 20 grand worth of pos led that didnt make the cut at my friends grow. It really sucked. Big ole watt sucking expensive junk. Supposedly top of the line and when your spending 20 grand on a system you look around. Post some science instead of acting like a baby and throwing a fit.

 

[mc130p]

Penetration has nothing to do with how the photons are produced, only the intensity of the source creating them. The only reason you think HPS 'penetrates' better is because it is a more effective "point source" of light than low power diodes spread out over a large heat sink(old LED panel design). COBs can 'penetrate' just as well, if not better than HPS. Combining the directionality of emission(which HPS does not have) with the high density LED array allows the COB to approximate a point source, and if driven at a high enough power, it will "penetrate" just as effectively as an HPS bulb. It's a simple inverse square law application. It's not rocket science.

 

[Positivity]

To think i used to use it for other things like easier to cool, less ventilation, better quality nugs....more light is just the icing on the cake

But if something else takes the lead i'll jump ship. So am i really a led fan or a conniseour quality fan. I'd say the latter even though some self proclaimed weed experts like to name call. Lucky i don't give a hoot what most think..

Bought 20g of led without testing it first...lol. Yah...i'll take my own advice

 

[churchhaze]

I can post all the science and math I want, but only those who passed high school algebra, physics, and chemistry will be able to able to interpret it.

 

[Alienwidow]

Penetration has nothing to do with how the photons are produced, only the intensity of the source creating them. The only reason you think HPS 'penetrates' better is because it is a more effective "point source" of light than low power diodes spread out over a large heat sink(old LED panel design). COBs can 'penetrate' just as well, if not better than HPS. Combining the directionality of emission(which HPS does not have) with the high density LED array allows the COB to approximate a point source, and if driven at a high enough power, it will "penetrate" just as effectively as an HPS bulb. It's a simple inverse square law application. It's not rocket science.

Ohh, a simple inverse square law application. Gotcha, musta missed that day in science class. Like i said, im a fan. I just havent seen the results. Ive only seen failure....after failure. And angry person after angry person. Ive never seen an angry guy with a de hps.

 

[mc130p]

Ohh, a simple inverse square law application. Gotcha, musta missed that day in science class. Like i said, im a fan. I just havent seen the results. Ive only seen failure....after failure. And angry person after angry person. Ive never seen an angry guy with a de hps.

Sorry man, I can't (won't) help the willfully ignorant. We'll just have to let natural selection take its course.

 

[Alienwidow]

I can post all the science and math I want, but only those who passed high school algebra, physics, and chemistry will be able to able to interpret it.

Well you fuys are all seeming to be using the same type of setup i think. I keep hearing cob. Is there a graph comparing the two that you have handy or a lux chart for the penetration or anyyyyyything? Or am i just supposed to take your word for it? I dunno, looking for the truth in your claims but not finding it. Its real easy to see happy hps guys and real easy to find real pissed off leds guys too.

 

[Alienwidow]

Sorry man, I can't (won't) help the willfully ignorant. We'll just have to let natural selection take its course.

ok, dont post anything then. Like i said in the earlier comment i made about those 9 pannel lights over that big garden. That looked to be pulling way more than 1000 watts per table that an ammature could have run with a simple 1000 watt light and not have to build the thing. Just buy it, for cheap.

 

[mc130p]

ok, dont post anything then. Like i said in the earlier comment i made about those 9 pannel lights over that big garden. That looked to be pulling way more than 1000 watts per table that an ammature could have run with a simple 1000 watt light and not have to build the thing. Just buy it, for cheap.

Idk about that garden, so I can't comment. I ignored that user several months ago. His panels were designed by the main contributors of the LED thread and he simply copies and repeats. No real information or usefulness to be found in his posts.

I mean yeah, you're right, if you just want to slam out a garden with as little effort as possible, then HPS is simple and cheap. It's not the best, but it works. People have been growing weed with HPS for a long time, so we know it can be done.

COBs can compete with HPS, it's that simple, and that's pretty much the end of it. You can ignore data if you want, but that's all you and not the LEDs. Are there LEDs that grow shitty weed? Yep, but I don't use those. I have used them before, so I know they suck. But the high density LED arrays are a completely new ball game.

 

[churchhaze]

Well you fuys are all seeming to be using the same type of setup i think. I keep hearing cob. Is there a graph comparing the two that you have handy or a lux chart for the penetration or anyyyyyything? Or am i just supposed to take your word for it? I dunno, looking for the truth in your claims but not finding it. Its real easy to see happy hps guys and real easy to find real pissed off leds guys too.

I can make the same argument for HPS.

400W of HPS penetrates just as well as 1000W of HPS if you have the same wattage of them.

Having light spread out in more sources makes it easier to hit lower branches, not harder.

 

[Alienwidow]

Idk about that garden, so I can't comment. I ignored that user several months ago. His panels were designed by the main contributors of the LED thread and he simply copies and repeats. No real information or usefulness to be found in his posts.

I mean yeah, you're right, if you just want to slam out a garden with as little effort as possible, then HPS is simple and cheap. It's not the best, but it works. People have been growing weed with HPS for a long time, so we know it can be done.

COBs can compete with HPS, it's that simple, and that's pretty much the end of it. You can ignore data if you want, but that's all you and not the LEDs. Are there LEDs that grow shitty weed? Yep, but I don't use those. I have used them before, so I know they suck. But the high density LED arrays are a completely new ball game.

Ya ive been seeing a lot of threads with the cobs mentioned but havent seen anything as far as stats on the light they put out. Just people swearing by them.

 

[hyroot]

Ya ive been seeing a lot of threads with the cobs mentioned but havent seen anything as far as stats on the light they put out. Just people swearing by them.

then check out the threads in the led section that have shown proof of great yields over the past couple years even before cobs were around. yes cobs kick ass. there were arrays with 5w white leds killing it before the cobs were around. Now the cobs are killing all lighting. the only thing imo that can match a cob is cmh. My induction /led does just as well but using 130 more watts for the same space

I dont understand how so many growers are against the advancement of lighting. We/'d be living off the land as hunter gatherers if the rest of the world had that same mentality

 

[Alienwidow]

I can make the same argument for HPS.

400W of HPS penetrates just as well as 1000W of HPS if you have the same wattage of them.

Having light spread out in more sources makes it easier to hit lower branches, not harder.

um can you chill out bro. Ive told you like three times i dont want to argue with you. I just want to read some science or some stats. Cause my real life stats show leds failing by a mile. If you cant teach anything then dont comment. Why dont you post a picture of your fourhundred watt led light and tell us the lux or lumens at different hieghts or something cause you claim you know what your doing, well prove it. Or argue i guess........

 

[Alienwidow]

then check out the threads in the led section that have shown proof of great yields over the past couple years even before cobs were around. yes cobs kick ass. there were arrays with 5w white leds killing it before the cobs were around. Now the cobs are killing all lighting. the only thing imo that can match a cob is cmh. My induction /led does just as well but using 130 more watts for the same space

thats what im here for. This iiiiiiis a comparison thread.i figured id come here and see some stats, examples, pictures of these leds supposedly making new ground. I dont want to go read thirty pages of cob reviews lol, thats why i came here.