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Mad Hamish

Mad Hamish

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Flaming Pie said:
Part of me is wondering how much stretch trimming the unders create. Cus the plant always try's to recreate what it lost.
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It can go so far as doubling it no BS. I do it on purpose to force stretch if flowering a lot of smaller ladies, then I really want TALL colas. Also it helps on topped plants to keep stretch normal if you have a lot of tops. If you don't trim lowers then you might end up with plants TOO squat and dense (unless you have a LOT of lighting which is common these days I suffer permanent ballast envy looking at the kit guys use lol). But as you suspect, a definite YES on trimming lowers directly influencing stretch.
 
st0wandgrow

st0wandgrow

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Mad Hamish said:
It can go so far as doubling it no BS. I do it on purpose to force stretch if flowering a lot of smaller ladies, then I really want TALL colas. Also it helps on topped plants to keep stretch normal if you have a lot of tops. If you don't trim lowers then you might end up with plants TOO squat and dense (unless you have a LOT of lighting which is common these days I suffer permanent ballast envy looking at the kit guys use lol). But as you suspect, a definite YES on trimming lowers directly influencing stretch.
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No shit? Never paid attention to any correlation there. Might have to try a little experiment and test this out....
 
Mr.Head

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jesus of Cannabis said:
The Drama finally ends..

all lost packages are coming this way, super stoked for GGG's/IG gift to arrive.
Love the service!!

Is it better to veg a new plant a few weeks under 18.6 before sexing under 12.12?

OR start from 12.12?
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Let them veg. under 18/6 for 3/4 weeks and you should be able to get your loupe out and check sex with it. Some strains are harder to confirm then others but a lot of the females will show you a super small and fine pistil at the node that's easy to see with a loupe but almost invisible without. If you're looking to pull clones I'd listen to Hamish. If you're just looking to plow threw some seedlings 12/12 from seed can be fun. You can get a couple clones off a 12/12 from seed plant every branch you chop is going to reduce your yield. Not much larf 12/12 from seed.

I know there are some folks out there that like to switch plants to 12/12 for sexing then putting them back in veg. this seems like far to much stress for no real reason to me. I've been able to tell what 95% of the plants I've grown have been before I've flowered them. My Grape Stomper OG's were a bit of a mystery I swore they were male lol.

That's my 12 cents :)
 
Flaming Pie

Flaming Pie

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Mr.Head said:
Let them veg. under 18/6 for 3/4 weeks and you should be able to get your loupe out and check sex with it. Some strains are harder to confirm then others but a lot of the females will show you a super small and fine pistil at the node that's easy to see with a loupe but almost invisible without. If you're looking to pull clones I'd listen to Hamish. If you're just looking to plow threw some seedlings 12/12 from seed can be fun. You can get a couple clones off a 12/12 from seed plant every branch you chop is going to reduce your yield. Not much larf 12/12 from seed.

I know there are some folks out there that like to switch plants to 12/12 for sexing then putting them back in veg. this seems like far to much stress for no real reason to me. I've been able to tell what 95% of the plants I've grown have been before I've flowered them. My Grape Stomper OG's were a bit of a mystery I swore they were male lol.

That's my 12 cents :)
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In my experience it takes 5-6 weeks to show sex.. but I top.. So that slows things down a couple days. Untopped should be 3/4.
 
Amos Otis

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jesus of Cannabis said:
Is it better to veg a new plant a few weeks under 18.6 before sexing under 12.12?

OR start from 12.12?
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I've got a first time run from 12 / 12 going atm - can't tell a whole lot of difference about midway into flowering, other than height control. Should they finish well, I see no reason to not do 12 / 12 from seed henceforth, as I don't breed or clone - just grow and smoke. 6 hours less per day of electricity for 3-4 weeks of veg 2 to 3 tents = a nice $ savings, if economics is a factor. And the maintenance time has been next to nothing.
 
Yodaweed

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Amos Otis said:
I've got a first time run from 12 / 12 going atm - can't tell a whole lot of difference about midway into flowering, other than height control. Should they finish well, I see no reason to not do 12 / 12 from seed henceforth, as I don't breed or clone - just grow and smoke. 6 hours less per day of electricity for 3-4 weeks of veg 2 to 3 tents = a nice $ savings, if economics is a factor. And the maintenance time has been next to nothing.
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12/12 from seeds significately reduces yield because it flowers immediately, like you said best for height control but Ive grown 12/12 from seed and don't see any need to do that again. There are better methods for height control that don't reduce yield.
 
Amos Otis

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Yodaweed said:
12/12 from seeds significately reduces yield because it flowers immediately, like you said best for height control but Ive grown 12/12 from seed and don't see any need to do that again. There are better methods for height control that don't reduce yield.
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Oh, sure...I've tied, bent, pinched....height control is not the goal. It's to run thru an abundance of accumulated beans - smaller yield is fine if the smoke is fine. More, but smaller plants is expected.

The thing is, the plants actually do not flower immediately - at least 2 - 3 weeks before any definite identification to sex is what I've seen. They veg pretty much as normal 'til then.
 
Yodaweed

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Amos Otis said:
Oh, sure...I've tied, bent, pinched....height control is not the goal. It's to run thru an abundance of accumulated beans - smaller yield is fine if the smoke is fine. More, but smaller plants is expected.

The thing is, the plants actually do not flower immediately - at least 2 - 3 weeks before any definite identification to sex is what I've seen. They veg pretty much as normal 'til then.
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I am aware of that, I have grown 12/12 from seed. It actually grows slower that way think about it, you are vegging your plant with 12 hours of light instead of 18. Those extra 6 hours of light during veg helps tremendously. Good luck , you will find that vegging for 2-3 weeks under 18/6 or whatever then flipping makes bigger faster and happier plants.
 
Amos Otis

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Yodaweed said:
I am aware of that, I have grown 12/12 from seed. It actually grows slower that way think about it, you are vegging your plant with 12 hours of light instead of 18. Those extra 6 hours of light during veg helps tremendously. Good luck , you will find that vegging for 2-3 weeks under 18/6 or whatever then flipping makes bigger faster and happier plants.
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I'm aware of that. This is no education session for either of us.

It's all about goals, I think, is where we differ, and that's cool. I've done normal veg and bloom for years, and am looking at 12 / 12 as a near maintenance free approach, not even trimming lower growth. Pop, put in reservoir, and do a nute change after 3-4 weeks, then every 7 -10 days after 'til chop. Easy peasy. Just what I'm looking for if, as I say, the smoke turns out good. I shall see. :blsmoke:
 
Yodaweed

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Amos Otis said:
I'm aware of that. This is no education session for either of us.

It's all about goals, I think, is where we differ, and that's cool. I've done normal veg and bloom for years, and am looking at 12 / 12 as a near maintenance free approach, not even trimming lower growth. Pop, put in reservoir, and do a nute change after 3-4 weeks, then every 7 -10 days after 'til chop. Easy peasy. Just what I'm looking for if, as I say, the smoke turns out good. I shall see. :blsmoke:
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Good luck hope you get a good harvest, here's my hydroponic plant I grew 12/12 from seed, it grew huge but like you said, space problems :) That was a long time ago ohhh memoriesssss


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madininagyal

madininagyal

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Yodaweed said:
12/12 from seeds significately reduces yield because it flowers immediately, like you said best for height control but Ive grown 12/12 from seed and don't see any need to do that again. There are better methods for height control that don't reduce yield.
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im pretty sure you ain't grow a real sativa in your life would ike to see you gave them veg to see the uncontrolable monster appear
 
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