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[707humboldt]

Yea thats definitely a 1 day dry wall job. 240sqft is a pretty decent sized space. You could easily turn that into a 8 light flower or 6 flower 2 veg. One of my rooms i have is 12'x20' and i have 8 ac/de 1000w de's in it with either 4 or 5 plants per light and it pulls 16-18# every cycle.

 

[justugh]

oh right on.. i mean i have a little room for veg and flower that i just started its a 8x20 and i split it into 2 8x10 ... i just put a pocket door in-between the two rooms and its perfect especially if your not looking to get crazy in numbers... ill get some pics here in a bit.. but mines all drywalled and crap...

i figured out away to remove that from the problem

auto flowers
20/4 timing

 

[phil k]

oh right on.. i mean i have a little room for veg and flower that i just started its a 8x20 and i split it into 2 8x10 ... i just put a pocket door in-between the two rooms and its perfect especially if your not looking to get crazy in numbers... ill get some pics here in a bit.. but mines all drywalled and crap...

thats what i do all my test flowers in for strains before rel

Yea thats definitely a 1 day dry wall job. 240sqft is a pretty decent sized space. You could easily turn that into a 8 light flower or 6 flower 2 veg. One of my rooms i have is 12'x20' and i have 8 ac/de 1000w de's in it with either 4 or 5 plants per light and it pulls 16-18# every cycle.

yep and clearly in a much more controlled environment he's going to be much happier.. its going to be worth the effort in the long run... but anythings worth getting out of tents.

 

[phil k]

i figured out away to remove that from the problem

auto flowers
20/4 timing

ahh ... im not a auto flower fan.. your never going to turn the weight you real are striving for in the long run with auto.. but you have to restart EVERYTHING every time from seeds... and not every time are you going to order 20 seeds and have 20 successful plants... stick with good genetics and clones..

 

[justugh]

Yea thats definitely a 1 day dry wall job. 240sqft is a pretty decent sized space. You could easily turn that into a 8 light flower or 6 flower 2 veg. One of my rooms i have is 12'x20' and i have 8 ac/de 1000w de's in it with either 4 or 5 plants per light and it pulls 16-18# every cycle.

i was moving away from HIds do to the heat .........the room only has a 6000btu ac it was barely handling a 600w and 1000w .....i found a LED light that i can daisy chain into one controller and it has veggie flowering and Finishing modes
http://www.ledzeal.com/p44.html

 

[justugh]

ahh ... im not a auto flower fan.. your never going to turn the weight you real are striving for in the long run with auto.. but you have to restart EVERYTHING every time from seeds... and not every time are you going to order 20 seeds and have 20 successful plants... stick with good genetics and clones..

i can hook u up to strains of autos that will make photo plants look like crap
i avg 78 days for a plant with 6 to 10 oz off it (except the frist 2 times with new strains ) i need to learn what it wants from me

 

[707humboldt]

Imo there is no comparison with yield and quality that a hid produces. You will definitely need a bigger ac with that many lights. I use a 36000btu mini split for my 8 light with co2 burner. Where i live it gets in the 100's during the summer so i need a larger ac. The ac will pay for it self first run with a 8k de room.

 

[707humboldt]

I also im not an auto fan, they just don't compare with the quality of and uniformity of using clones with great genetics, which is key for a larger indoor room. You don't want plants all different sizes in the room, uniformity is key. Also its nice to be able to control the hight of your canopy by choosing when to flower.

 

[707humboldt]

Im all for using regular seeds outdoors (i use both clones and seeds) but with indoor i only use clones for those purposes. Its nice finding a pheno you really like and running a uniform room with all the exact same pheno

 

[justugh]

i do not like clones
the fact u need to do veggie for 1 month to 6 weeks then double that for flowering and if light leaks in it restarts it

autos if i stagger plant them i am pulling in 3 plants a month .......about LB total
the cost of 1 plant is running me between 80 to 100 bucks (depends on it if heavier feeder)

 

[707humboldt]

Imo autos might work well on a small scale doing a few plants but believe me, if you want to fill a 240sqft room, autos are not the answer. You will be way better off with photoperiod plants, preferably clones from great genetics.

Not trying to offend anyone, this is just my opinion and personal experience

 

[707humboldt]

If you set your room up right, you shouldn't have any leaks. I veg for 3-4 weeks then flower for 8-9 with most strains, so thats around 84 days give or take from start to finish. only a few extra days from 78 and i get 2#-2.25# per light.

 

[707humboldt]

All I'm saying is autos might work ok for you with a couple plants in a tent, but if you are filling a 240sqft room, you will do way better with clones. Imo. Theres a reason all the warehouse guys are using clones and hid.

 

[justugh]

All I'm saying is autos might work ok for you with a couple plants in a tent, but if you are filling a 240sqft room, you will do way better with clones. Imo. Theres a reason all the warehouse guys are using clones and hid.

the 240 was the total amount of drywall needed for the walls and ceiling ......like 260 for messups

the room itself is a
10x12x7
only 120 sqf

no way photos are worth it not unless i have area like ware house/whole house split into work areas
the system i got down now is using jiffy plugs to start the seeds ....with in 3 days of planting it i have a 1to2 inch spourt that can go to soil ......from there it only 5 days or so before that trueleaf is out and can move to LED
at 8 days from seed 30 35 days later it flips to flowering then 30/40 days and then i can cut it dry for 7 days jar it up
working on a 20/4 timing just in flowering 30 days of 20/4 is equaled to 50 days of 12/12 .........with alot of the breeders using the same auto for most of the strains u can get about the same timing on all of those so u can run dozens of strains a year .......i do 3 different strains at a time (learn curve is increased so my skills sharpen faster) .....only been doing this for 3 years and it already out earns most of my friends ( my stuff is thought as the best in the area)

i am going to keep the 5x5x6 tent move it into a room not used and dry the stuff in that

 

[707humboldt]

This is 80 days from start to finish. This is my old 6k, has since been upgraded to 8k DE. This is just a 12x20' room. With a 4k in your 10x12' you could be getting 8# every 80 days. Not trying to be a dick but autos and led wouldn't make top shelf out here in cali. Like I said before they might be ok for a small hobby grow, but anything for production and AAA quaintly, not going to cut it. Was just trying to steer you in the right direction because i thought you were upgrading and expanding. Just trying to spread what I've been learning over the past 15 years. Good luck man! Hope it all works out for you

 

[phil k]

i was moving away from HIds do to the heat .........the room only has a 6000btu ac it was barely handling a 600w and 1000w .....i found a LED light that i can daisy chain into one controller and it has veggie flowering and Finishing modes
http://www.ledzeal.com/p44.

This is 80 days from start to finish. This is my old 6k, has since been upgraded to 8k DE. This is just a 12x20' room. With a 4k in your 10x12' you could be getting 8# every 80 days. Not trying to be a dick but autos and led wouldn't make top shelf out here in cali. Like I said before they might be ok for a small hobby grow, but anything for production and AAA quaintly, not going to cut it. Was just trying to steer you in the right direction because i thought you were upgrading and expanding. Just trying to spread what I've been learning over the past 15 years. Good luck man! Hope it all works out for youView attachment 3410398

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yeah i mean say that again... its taken years to just build my setup... trials and errors.. but mostly just buying 200-300$ worth of crap every week or two and slowly building to what you need is just how its going to really be.


i know you wanna move from HID but i would really try and accomplish proper cool and stick with HID i really don't think your going to be happy going to another style lighting for flower.. i mean theres a lot of new shit hitting the market but imop HPS flowers are by far the best everything else just has disadvantages and the only ADVANTAGE to something other than HID is lower heat...

Why not look into a high BTU portable? or run mini splits? i have mini splits in my flowers and my veg... they have no issues at all keeping up

 

[justugh]

yeah i mean say that again... its taken years to just build my setup... trials and errors.. but mostly just buying 200-300$ worth of crap every week or two and slowly building to what you need is just how its going to really be.


i know you wanna move from HID but i would really try and accomplish proper cool and stick with HID i really don't think your going to be happy going to another style lighting for flower.. i mean theres a lot of new shit hitting the market but imop HPS flowers are by far the best everything else just has disadvantages and the only ADVANTAGE to something other than HID is lower heat...

Why not look into a high BTU portable? or run mini splits? i have mini splits in my flowers and my veg... they have no issues at all keeping up

i see u used insulted ducted for your pathway to the lights (i learned that trick too)

as for hid i have 2 600w and 1 dail a watt (4006001000)
my experiments with Hid and LED .....Hid gets u a larger amount but with about 70/30 dense/fluffy ....LED is getting me 90/10 but the amount is under a hid


as for a mini spilt ..........i like to get one but i am getting to the end of the open breaker slot (we have 2 pannels already main one and a 2nd one just for the basement ) .....currently my AC is hooked into the base board heater breaker (every room down here has 2 breakers 1 for plugs one for the base borad heaters) there is one more open slot and only a 15 amp breaker can go in .....really like to put it on a 30 amp not enough room

 

[707humboldt]

With 1000w you would be getting way more dense buds than with a 600. The extra 400w makes a huge difference. Then 1000w DE crushes the regular 1000w hps and has even better results

 

[justugh]

With 1000w you would be getting way more dense buds than with a 600. The extra 400w makes a huge difference. Then 1000w DE crushes the regular 1000w hps and has even better results

1000w DE ?
that is a new term on me whatz it mean

 

[707humboldt]

Double ended. The bulbs are fired from both ends instead of one. Creates a stronger more even light, higher par levels. Everyone I know is switching or has already switched to them. I upgraded all my rooms to them last year, well worth it. Their hard to get right now because all the warehouse guys are buying them up by the 100's. Im getting a 15-20% increase in yield compared to my old setups (regular 1000w hps). It was a battle trying to get all the setups I needed in, I was on the phone for 3 weeks. Finally the hydroponics store I use got me nanolux de ballast in. Not my first choice but it was impossible to find gavita remote ballast or phantom de ballast. They have been working great so far, no complaints with them.

Their a game changer, more light for same amount of power.