l.e.ds vs hps

Darth Vapour

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a mongo frog said:
God thats crazy. So my T-5's are running 4 amps apiece. And the

Nice plants, how did they finish with the heat issue?
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Mongo here is a T5 grow :) all kinds of lighting can produce give them the right stuff and look out 1.86 GPW 803 dry grams from 432 watts T5 Ho how many LED 400 watt grows did double ???
 

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Darth Vapour said:
Mongo here is a T5 grow :) all kinds of lighting can produce give them the right stuff and look out 1.86 GPW 803 dry grams from 432 watts T5 Ho how many LED 400 watt grows did double ???
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Yes thats very nice. I only use my T-5's for vegging. I like them a lot, however I'm thinking some of those leds might do better in a bank rather then my T-5's in a bank. All i usually grow is fire og or cuts on thats line. I love low yielding strains like that. Real wirery and stretchy pieces of shit really till harvest time. Then I'm just smoked out. To much og kinda gets me wasted and i love it.
 
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I also like to point out something very important here how LED companies are mentioning the 1/3 rd less power consumption buy going by the old school gram per watt that has been used to gauge grows wouldn't be fit to say that then LED should be producing 3 grams per watt ???
LED companies claim there 600 led is just that when its actually FALSE
one must look at actual draw i have seen 600 watt led draw 342 watts and not stay consistent dropping al over the place
so which is lol truth fully speaking
When a LED company claims there 780 watt unit will out yield a 1000 HID yet it barely yielded 454 grams even with a 600 watt HID you fucked up bad
Bottom line when no body is reporting 2 - 3 grams per watt is not reasonable to ask if LED is not just a nice color fraud ???

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a mongo frog

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Darth Vapour said:
I also like to point out something very important here how LED companies are mentioning the 1/3 rd less power consumption buy going by the old school gram per watt that has been used to gauge grows wouldn't be fit to say that then LED should be producing 3 grams per watt ???
LED companies claim there 600 led is just that when its actually FALSE
one must look at actual draw i have seen 600 watt led draw 342 watts and not stay consistent dropping al over the place
so which is lol truth fully speaking
When a LED company claims there 780 watt unit will out yield a 1000 HID yet it barely yielded 454 grams even with a 600 watt HID you fucked up bad
Bottom line when no body is reporting 2 - 3 grams per watt is not reasonable to ask if LED is not just a nice color fraud ???

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But isn't 454 grams pretty awesome for like 2.0 amps?
 
alesh

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Darth Vapour said:
TBO i have been looking at adding some LED as supplemental lighting in conjunction with Gavita 's and LEPplasma lighting been looking at the Mars from top led prices are reasonable i just might go with the 600 watt mars giving me 2350 per 25 Sq feet
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You won't be happy with Mars LEDs. They're one of those companies making ridiculous claims while using low quality/efficiency LEDs. TBH no commercial LED light is more than slightly more effective than 1000W Gavita, if even so.
DIY LED lamps are different story but I can see using them over Gavita only if you have some issue with excessive heat. Or for enthusiasts like I am. Or if Gavita is simply too big. Otherwise LEDs don't make - IMO - much sense economically. Yet.
 
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alesh said:
You won't be happy with Mars LEDs. They're one of those companies making ridiculous claims while using low quality/efficiency LEDs. TBH no commercial LED light is more than slightly more effective than 1000W Gavita, if even so.
DIY LED lamps are different story but I can see using them over Gavita only if you have some issue with excessive heat. Or for enthusiasts like I am. Or if Gavita is simply too big. Otherwise LEDs don't make - IMO - much sense economically. Yet.
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alesh TBO i don't think there is a LED presently on the market that can compete with Gavita least not yet and most importantly at the same cost its crazy to think otherwise
Any LED 's that yield decent also produces Heat so in reality where are the gains led rooms still have fans venting etc ..
What were talking about really and what LED companies are using is efficiency / electrical savings WTF is saving 20 bucks a month and yielding less does that really spell a win win ??? seriously now if a grower is worried about 20 - 40 bucks a month in electrical cost that grower has problems serious problems .
Now if a grower is growing 1 - 2 plants in his closet then instead of a fire hazard having ( 10 female ends going into maze of wiring hahaha and CFL's )
yes
I 100 percent agree LED unit might be a better choice Safety wise but it also will radiate heat not so much as a HPS but heat is heat
smart growers use heat to there advantage least i do
Lighting is only one aspect of a grow room there are many other important things for a successful grow i put Environment on top of anything . with out it.
You can have all the light power, you want , them plants will not grow .
You dial in a room running in perfect order and yields double plant growth doubles its amazing really
As or my self i use Sun blaster T5 Ho's for clones and beginning of veg then they go into veg room 1150 watters and 300 LEP (5 room set up ) 15 k set up mini split ( 2 flower rooms ) the growth rates are incredible node structure is incredible and most importantly my numbers
I have been watching LED progress over the last 10 years and thinking its soon time to give them a try and use them as supplemental lighting and this is why i was thinking for the price going with Mars again there not stand alone fixtures

PS: people got to get away from its Chinese junk blah blah the pc or phone your are typing on was made in china
When a US led company says its all made in he good ole USA they point blank telling you a lie owe they may have put it together in USA but the parts came from china
When Seymour Duncan was making his super computer he had to order his chips and you know it From china lol
 
REALSTYLES

REALSTYLES

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Darth Vapour said:
alesh TBO i don't think there is a LED presently on the market that can compete with Gavita least not yet and most importantly at the same cost its crazy to think otherwise
Any LED 's that yield decent also produces Heat so in reality where are the gains led rooms still have fans venting etc ..
What were talking about really and what LED companies are using is efficiency / electrical savings WTF is saving 20 bucks a month and yielding less does that really spell a win win ??? seriously now if a grower is worried about 20 - 40 bucks a month in electrical cost that grower has problems serious problems .
Now if a grower is growing 1 - 2 plants in his closet then instead of a fire hazard having ( 10 female ends going into maze of wiring hahaha and CFL's )
yes
I 100 percent agree LED unit might be a better choice Safety wise but it also will radiate heat not so much as a HPS but heat is heat
smart growers use heat to there advantage least i do
Lighting is only one aspect of a grow room there are many other important things for a successful grow i put Environment on top of anything . with out it.
You can have all the light power, you want , them plants will not grow .
You dial in a room running in perfect order and yields double plant growth doubles its amazing really
As or my self i use Sun blaster T5 Ho's for clones and beginning of veg then they go into veg room 1150 watters and 300 LEP (5 room set up ) 15 k set up mini split ( 2 flower rooms ) the growth rates are incredible node structure is incredible and most importantly my numbers
I have been watching LED progress over the last 10 years and thinking its soon time to give them a try and use them as supplemental lighting and this is why i was thinking for the price going with Mars again there not stand alone fixtures

PS: people got to get away from its Chinese junk blah blah the pc or phone your are typing on was made in china
When a US led company says its all made in he good ole USA they point blank telling you a lie owe they may have put it together in USA but the parts came from china
When Seymour Duncan was making his super computer he had to order his chips and you know it From china lol
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No I own 2 mars 300w and 4 mars 2 and after a year and a half I had some diodes burnt-out on 2 panels. They at first sent me replacements but why should I fix them then I if I was to ship to their repair center the 900 and 1200 units weight is insane. They work but they won't out perform the cobs Cree or Bridgelux

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alesh

alesh

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Darth Vapour said:
alesh TBO i don't think there is a LED presently on the market that can compete with Gavita least not yet and most importantly at the same cost its crazy to think otherwise
Any LED 's that yield decent also produces Heat so in reality where are the gains led rooms still have fans venting etc ..
What were talking about really and what LED companies are using is efficiency / electrical savings WTF is saving 20 bucks a month and yielding less does that really spell a win win ??? seriously now if a grower is worried about 20 - 40 bucks a month in electrical cost that grower has problems serious problems .
Now if a grower is growing 1 - 2 plants in his closet then instead of a fire hazard having ( 10 female ends going into maze of wiring hahaha and CFL's )
yes
I 100 percent agree LED unit might be a better choice Safety wise but it also will radiate heat not so much as a HPS but heat is heat
smart growers use heat to there advantage least i do
Lighting is only one aspect of a grow room there are many other important things for a successful grow i put Environment on top of anything . with out it.
You can have all the light power, you want , them plants will not grow .
You dial in a room running in perfect order and yields double plant growth doubles its amazing really
As or my self i use Sun blaster T5 Ho's for clones and beginning of veg then they go into veg room 1150 watters and 300 LEP (5 room set up ) 15 k set up mini split ( 2 flower rooms ) the growth rates are incredible node structure is incredible and most importantly my numbers
I have been watching LED progress over the last 10 years and thinking its soon time to give them a try and use them as supplemental lighting and this is why i was thinking for the price going with Mars again there not stand alone fixtures

PS: people got to get away from its Chinese junk blah blah the pc or phone your are typing on was made in china
When a US led company says its all made in he good ole USA they point blank telling you a lie owe they may have put it together in USA but the parts came from china
When Seymour Duncan was making his super computer he had to order his chips and you know it From china lol
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Right now, there are a few light that are on the same efficiency level as Gavita, watt for watt. And yes, they're much more expensive so it doesn't make any sense to swap.

On the other hand, DIY LEDs can already be more efficient than any HPS. Again, I'm not saying that it's cost effective, just possible. In some cases they might be a good choice.
 
Darth Vapour

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Problem with Diy is warranty there is known one fuck up and you threw your money away like i said depending on what the grower wants or has for room LED might be a good choice i am not defending Hid lighting i use what works for me and my situation
there are many advancements in grow lights one being CMH this is another possible way of going instead of led lighting
its what works best for your situation

As for Chip on board ( cob ) i believe there are heat issues also the angle 120 degree which also suffers in par on outside of grow area here a 4 x 4 scrog to achieve 6 oz that is terrible not sure how many plants he ran lol but non of the less terrible

https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=114&v=r65mzeu03Po

then lets look at a 400 watt HPS grow 1 plant enough said


Again as for me having 2 Flower rooms 6 k 3 in each i achieve 15.5 pounds every 84 days 7.75 pounds per room 12 plants per room 3 k not including 3/4 pound of hash from trimmings per room this is being effcient
 

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