Do you believe Americans who work full time should earn a living wage?

[Padawanbater2]

I'm all for employees sharing in the profits, but in order to do that then they must also share the risk.
If the company heads into hard times, the employees will have to work extra hours, unpaid, just like I do. They will have to foot the bill for any unforeseen expenses, just like I currently do. If someone gets injured on the job and sues the company, the employees will all have to pony up their share of the cash. Need new vehicles to deliver the goods? Employees get to pay their share.

These are just a very few of the risks that employers currently DON'T make employees pay for.


You should start a business and try to employ people, you'll get a real good dose of reality and humility along the way.

BTW, using Wal Mart as your example for every company is a really shitty one. Do you think the local dollar store has the kind of profits that Wal Mart has? Yet you think they are equivalent businesses when it comes to the amount they should pay employees.

Everything in this post has already been addressed

Mondragon Corporation in Spain

Post #357

"You and I seem to have different metrics we use to determine an employee's wage. When it comes to businesses like Walmart, I think it should go without saying a living wage is the least acceptable wage that should be paid, we're talking about the top earner in the country, numero uno. The highest grossing company in America should pay their fucking employees enough so they don't have to go to the government (ME & YOU) to ask "please, sir, can I have another?"... I seriously hope you would agree with that much. As far as mom and pop shops employing less than 10 people, if a "living wage" breaks their business then that's obviously bad for the economy, right? So why don't we devise a system where the mom and pop shops pay as much as they can while the gov. subsidizes the rest? Right now, we pay fuckin' Walmart subsidies to pay their bills, that's bullshit. Transfer that payment to the mom and pop shops and make fuckin' Walmart pay what the fuck they should to their employees. Since Walmart is the largest employer in America, that will SUBSTANTIALLY decrease the amount of government subsidies paid out to mom and pop shop employees who can't pay their bills due to the increasing minimum wage paid. Problem fuckin' solved.

FUCK WALMART."

 

[Fogdog]

Agreeing with people does not lead to debates.

You'll never know what I think on this. I'm a person of mystery tonight, and good night.

 

[NoDrama]

Everything in this post has already been addressed

Mondragon Corporation in Spain

Post #357

"You and I seem to have different metrics we use to determine an employee's wage. When it comes to businesses like Walmart, I think it should go without saying a living wage is the least acceptable wage that should be paid, we're talking about the top earner in the country, numero uno. The highest grossing company in America should pay their fucking employees enough so they don't have to go to the government (ME & YOU) to ask "please, sir, can I have another?"... I seriously hope you would agree with that much. As far as mom and pop shops employing less than 10 people, if a "living wage" breaks their business then that's obviously bad for the economy, right? So why don't we devise a system where the mom and pop shops pay as much as they can while the gov. subsidizes the rest? Right now, we pay fuckin' Walmart subsidies to pay their bills, that's bullshit. Transfer that payment to the mom and pop shops and make fuckin' Walmart pay what the fuck they should to their employees. Since Walmart is the largest employer in America, that will SUBSTANTIALLY decrease the amount of government subsidies paid out to mom and pop shop employees who can't pay their bills due to the increasing minimum wage paid. Problem fuckin' solved.

FUCK WALMART."

So basically you want to discriminate against people based on their employer. Doesn't sound very fair to me.

FWIW Wal Mart is not even in the top 10 most profitable US companies. They are just the LARGEST, but nowhere near the most profitable.

GE, Wells Fargo, BofA, JP Morgan, AIG, Citigroup, United Airlines, Microsoft, Exxon Mobile and Conoco-Phillips are all more profitable.

 

[Padawanbater2]

So basically you want to discriminate against people based on their employer. Doesn't sound very fair to me.

FWIW Wal Mart is not even in the top 10 most profitable US companies. They are just the LARGEST, but nowhere near the most profitable.

GE, Wells Fargo, BofA, JP Morgan, AIG, Citigroup, United Airlines, Microsoft, Exxon Mobile and Conoco-Phillips are all more profitable.

"It is also true that the store is "double-dipping" when it comes to government benefits — in 2014, Wal-Mart collected roughly $13.5 billion in food stamp sales alone.

The total cost to taxpayers of Wal-Mart's low wages and benefits, which force many workers to rely on public assistance programs, has been estimated at around $4,415 per worker, according to one federal study.

The store, which is owned by America's richest family, hauled in $16.4 billion in net income last year."

http://www.businessinsider.com/house-of-cards-on-wal-mart-2015-3

That OK with you?

 

[NoDrama]

in 2014, Wal-Mart collected roughly $13.5 billion in food stamp sales alone.

The store, which is owned by America's richest family, hauled in $16.4 billion in net income last year."

Wal-Mart sold food to people on food stamps!!

OMG! The HORROR!!!

Why do want people on food stamps to starve?

$16.4 billion in NET INCOME? LOL that isn't even sort of close to the real numbers. Just a 2 second glance at Wal Marts income statements proves that one wrong.
http://www.wikinvest.com/stock/Wal-Mart_(WMT)/Data/Balance_Sheet#Income_Statement

 

[Padawanbater2]

Wal-Mart sold food to people on food stamps!!

OMG! The HORROR!!!

Why do want people on food stamps to starve?

$16.4 billion in NET INCOME? LOL that isn't even sort of close to the real numbers. Just a 2 second glance at Wal Marts income statements proves that one wrong.
http://www.wikinvest.com/stock/Wal-Mart_(WMT)/Data/Balance_Sheet#Income_Statement

So it is OK with you. No wonder you're defending such shitty business practices. Better go run to Comcast next, I hear they need support too

 

[NoDrama]

So it is OK with you. No wonder you're defending such shitty business practices. Better go run to Comcast next, I hear they need support too

Defending shitty business practices?

Nope. Pretty sure I was exposing your deceptive posts for the lie filled hate fodder they are.

 

[Padawanbater2]

Defending shitty business practices?

Nope. Pretty sure I was exposing your deceptive posts for the lie filled hate fodder they are.

You haven't exposed shit. You came into this thread and automatically started defending Walmart, saying that it's illegal not to steal as much money as possible from the workers and give it to the shareholders, and that's the CEO's and other exec's jobs, and fuck the employees

The reason corporations like Walmart get away with this shit is because they have retards like you defending them, and more often than not, those same retards are the ones who get hurt the most by it

 

[TheHermit]

You came into this thread and automatically started defending Walmart, saying that it's illegal not to steal as much money as possible from the workers and give it to the shareholders, and that's the CEO's and other exec's jobs, and fuck the employees

Sadly, he is right. Corporations have a legal fiduciary responsibility to shareholders to maximize profit. They can face legal action for not doing so. They have no such legal obligations towards employees. Employees are considered an expense, and expenses are to be minimized as much as possible.

If that doesn't make you angry enough, check out the tax rates for capital gains and dividends, and compare that to the tax rates for income one earns from actually working for a living.

 

[god1]

Everything in this post has already been addressed

Mondragon Corporation in Spain

Post #357

"You and I seem to have different metrics we use to determine an employee's wage. When it comes to businesses like Walmart, I think it should go without saying a living wage is the least acceptable wage that should be paid, we're talking about the top earner in the country, numero uno. The highest grossing company in America should pay their fucking employees enough so they don't have to go to the government (ME & YOU) to ask "please, sir, can I have another?"... I seriously hope you would agree with that much. As far as mom and pop shops employing less than 10 people, if a "living wage" breaks their business then that's obviously bad for the economy, right? So why don't we devise a system where the mom and pop shops pay as much as they can while the gov. subsidizes the rest? Right now, we pay fuckin' Walmart subsidies to pay their bills, that's bullshit. Transfer that payment to the mom and pop shops and make fuckin' Walmart pay what the fuck they should to their employees. Since Walmart is the largest employer in America, that will SUBSTANTIALLY decrease the amount of government subsidies paid out to mom and pop shop employees who can't pay their bills due to the increasing minimum wage paid. Problem fuckin' solved.

FUCK WALMART."

Obviously Walmart is offering their employees something the individual can't find else where. Otherwise the employee would not work there.

The employee is there by "choice"; they can always leave.

Are you implying that they are some how "bound" to Walmart?

Are you "bound" to your employer? People walk away from contractual agreements with employers all the time.

What's "special" about this employer/employee arrangement at Walmart?

 

[superloud]

Obviously Walmart is offering their employees something the individual can't find else where. Otherwise the employee would not work there.

The employee is there by "choice"; they can always leave.

Are you implying that they are some how "bound" to Walmart?

Are you "bound" to your employer? People walk away from contractual agreements with employers all the time.

What's "special" about this employer/employee arrangement at Walmart?

Walmart is just an example of all the corporations out here. Yes I could just walk away if I worked at Walmart but I would be walking away to the same exact thing at another company. It doesn't matter how many times I leave my job if all I can find is the same exact paying jobs.

 

[superloud]

Obviously Walmart is offering their employees something the individual can't find else where. Otherwise the employee would not work there.

The employee is there by "choice"; they can always leave.

Are you implying that they are some how "bound" to Walmart?

Are you "bound" to your employer? People walk away from contractual agreements with employers all the time.

What's "special" about this employer/employee arrangement at Walmart?

And yes Walmart does offer something that The individual can't find elsewhere a job.

 

[Harrekin]

Yes but as has been stated By me and several other people in this post We take low paying job because that's what is available. I have people working right beside me with a business degree is making the same amount of money I'm making.My aunt graduated college last year She's a child therapist and make less money than I do. I know a guy that went to school to be a IT guy And he makes 10.75 an hour. It doesn't matter how much you want to argue with us the fact is The pay rates are not fair in this country. And the so-called cost of living raise I get push me nowhere Near making a cost of living wage

So hang on... you signed a contract agreeing to certain terms with your employer?

If your employer was to breach the terms of the contract youd sue him, but you expect to he able to unilaterally change the terms when it suits you?

Why?

Pro-tip: Your attitude is why you'll be earning minimum wage forever.

 

[Padawanbater2]

Obviously Walmart is offering their employees something the individual can't find else where. Otherwise the employee would not work there.

The employee is there by "choice"; they can always leave.

Are you implying that they are some how "bound" to Walmart?

Are you "bound" to your employer? People walk away from contractual agreements with employers all the time.

What's "special" about this employer/employee arrangement at Walmart?

Already addressed

Businesses hold the bargaining power when it comes to negotiating wages. If you won't take the minimum wage job, somebody else will. Businesses know that, that's the problem

 

[schuylaar]

Everything in this post has already been addressed

Mondragon Corporation in Spain

Post #357

"You and I seem to have different metrics we use to determine an employee's wage. When it comes to businesses like Walmart, I think it should go without saying a living wage is the least acceptable wage that should be paid, we're talking about the top earner in the country, numero uno. The highest grossing company in America should pay their fucking employees enough so they don't have to go to the government (ME & YOU) to ask "please, sir, can I have another?"... I seriously hope you would agree with that much. As far as mom and pop shops employing less than 10 people, if a "living wage" breaks their business then that's obviously bad for the economy, right? So why don't we devise a system where the mom and pop shops pay as much as they can while the gov. subsidizes the rest? Right now, we pay fuckin' Walmart subsidies to pay their bills, that's bullshit. Transfer that payment to the mom and pop shops and make fuckin' Walmart pay what the fuck they should to their employees. Since Walmart is the largest employer in America, that will SUBSTANTIALLY decrease the amount of government subsidies paid out to mom and pop shop employees who can't pay their bills due to the increasing minimum wage paid. Problem fuckin' solved.

FUCK WALMART."

what walmart (and so many others) do is their own 'inverse redistribution' of wealth..they're redistributing to themselves via the rules they bought.

 

[Padawanbater2]

So hang on... you signed a contract agreeing to certain terms with your employer?

If your employer was to breach the terms of the contract youd sue him, but you expect to he able to unilaterally change the terms when it suits you?

Why?

Pro-tip: Your attitude is why you'll be earning minimum wage forever.

A person would eat a moldy sandwich if they were starving too, does that mean all they deserve is the moldy sandwich?

Why do you keep avoiding the fact that the economic gains since the 70's have gone to the top individuals? That's money that has been stolen from the workers and given to the executives. Why don't you address that?

 

[Padawanbater2]

Can you live on minimum wage?

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/02/09/opinion/minimum-wage.html

https://www.rollitup.org/t/minimum-wage-in-mathematical-terms.759867/

 

[superloud]

So hang on... you signed a contract agreeing to certain terms with your employer?

If your employer was to breach the terms of the contract youd sue him, but you expect to he able to unilaterally change the terms when it suits you?

Why?

Pro-tip: Your attitude is why you'll be earning minimum wage forever.

No actually dickbag. I started at my job through a temp service and they considered me a good enough employee to hire me on full time but when they hired me on full time they gave me a 35 cent raise I signed a contract because it was the only contract available for me to sign to be able to feed my family. Just like if you were stuck in a room And all that you had to eat was something completely disgusting that you hated What you got hungry enough you would eat it because it's what's fucking there.

 

[superloud]

So hang on... you signed a contract agreeing to certain terms with your employer?

If your employer was to breach the terms of the contract youd sue him, but you expect to he able to unilaterally change the terms when it suits you?

Why?

Pro-tip: Your attitude is why you'll be earning minimum wage forever.

I can understand me signing a contract and getting hired on at a low wage but once I prove that I am a good valuable employee then that way it should be raised to a livable wage. I understand companies don't want to just go paying anybody 1650 an hour and then come work for them and be piece of shit workers but once I prove myself then I should get paid better. My boss constantly tells me how much of an asset I am to this company and how great of a job I do but it never reflects on my page is the word that come out of his mouth.

 

[Harrekin]

A person would eat a moldy sandwich if they were starving too, does that mean all they deserve is the moldy sandwich?

Why do you keep avoiding the fact that the economic gains since the 70's have gone to the top individuals? That's money that has been stolen from the workers and given to the executives. Why don't you address that?

And yet your nation keeps piling the regulations (which you support) on top of SMEs which perpetuates the cycle.

The boom in the US from the late forties to the early 70's was caused by the aftermath of WWII in which the only country which that still had industrial capacity and men to run them.

The change in this trend happened in the globalised economy (which you probably also adhere to) where countries with even worse conditions can use slave-factories to produce shit cheaper.

Ill ask you this and I wont get an answer...why should employees have the special right to change the terms of the contract THEY agreed to and signed?