Fermented coconut water

[MistaRasta]

hey guys I've been using fermented coconut water and it seems like it has more of an effect after its fermented. I see similarities in it and kelp teas.

What are your alls thoughts on "probiotics?"

 

[hyroot]

how do you ferment coconut water? Let it sit for 2 weeks? hope it doesn't go rancid or too acedic.

I like the corn seed sprout tea's more. Cheaper too.

 

[MjMama]

I don't disagree that fermenting could have benefits, but doing so will denature the enzymes so you lose out on those. Maybe we could still use fresh raw coconut water sometimes andfermented sometimes to take advantage of the full range of benefits coconuts have to offer. Most coconut water on the market has been heat pasteurized which ruins the enzymes anyway. But Harmless harvest has a 100% raw version that still has all the goodies intact. Or a raw green coconut from the market would be ideal too. You might as well use the canned stuff for fermenting. Have you tried powder? I'm curious about the freeze dried coconut powder since that would still have the enzymes I believe. It's something I've been reading about a lot lately. Thanks for starting this thread.

 

[Pattahabi]

I don't disagree that fermenting could have benefits, but doing so will denature the enzymes so you lose out on those. Maybe we could still use fresh raw coconut water sometimes andfermented sometimes to take advantage of the full range of benefits coconuts have to offer. Most coconut water on the market has been heat pasteurized which ruins the enzymes anyway. But Harmless harvest has a 100% raw version that still has all the goodies intact. Or a raw green coconut from the market would be ideal too. You might as well use the canned stuff for fermenting. Have you tried powder? I'm curious about the freeze dried coconut powder since that would still have the enzymes I believe. It's something I've been reading about a lot lately. Thanks for starting this thread.

Some of this is above my paygrade, but I've been asking about the denaturing of enzymes in a fermentation process. If you had more info on this I would love to hear it. Abiqua and I were talking about it in This Thread. I would think you would also lose out on the PGR's and PGH's when fermenting. However, I'd like to clarify some of this with someone more affluent in chemistry.

I use the dried coconut water, although less and less. Fresh Seed Sprout teas are still my favorite and seem to elicit the greatest efficacy from my plants. If you are looking for Cytokinins specifically, corn sst's are a good choice. I also love aloe vera! One of my must haves, along with kelp meal and neem meal.

Are you by chance LLB on the other sites?



Peace!

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[MjMama]

Some of this is above my paygrade, but I've been asking about the denaturing of enzymes in a fermentation process. If you had more info on this I would love to hear it. Abiqua and I were talking about it in This Thread. I would think you would also lose out on the PGR's and PGH's when fermenting. However, I'd like to clarify some of this with someone more affluent in chemistry.

I use the dried coconut water, although less and less. Fresh Seed Sprout teas are still my favorite and seem to elicit the greatest efficacy from my plants. If you are looking for Cytokinins specifically, corn sst's are a good choice. I also love aloe vera! One of my must haves, along with kelp meal and neem meal.

Are you by chance LLB on the other sites?



Peace!

P-

You sound like a very well versed grower. I've read that the enzymes in coconut water begin to denature after about 24 hours of being exposed to fresh air, or after being exposed to high heats. I love SST's. They're like the ace in the hole. I've never seen anything else show the type of immediate results Ive seen from seed tea. I like to use a splash of coconut water and some kelp in my SST's to boost the enzymes.

Unfortunalty I can't claim to be LLB. I try to use the same name at all the sites Ive posted on.

 

[Pattahabi]

You sound like a very well versed grower. I've read that the enzymes in coconut water begin to denature after about 24 hours of being exposed to fresh air, or after being exposed to high heats. I love SST's. They're like the ace in the hole. I've never seen anything else show the type of immediate results Ive seen from seed tea. I like to use a splash of coconut water and some kelp in my SST's to boost the enzymes.

Unfortunalty I can't claim to be LLB. I try to use the same name at all the sites Ive posted on.

Ahh... ok, you sounded a bit like her, just curious.

I have not heard of oxygen denaturing enzymes, but that doesn't mean it ain't so. From what I have read pH, temperature, and solvents can denature proteins (enzymes). In some situations (again I haven't had time to dig for details) proteins/enzymes can renature. It doesn't sound like renaturing is super common, but way above my paygrade and just trying to learn.

Imo SST's are the best. What a pure unadulterated form of enzymes, pgr's, pgh's, etc! It is also my understanding we are getting most of the same benefits from using coconut water or sst's. Pretty interchangeable. Kelp meal is also amazing. It contains over 70 microelements, IAA, Manitol, Alginic Acid, etc, etc. A must have for every garden!

Peace!

P-

 

[MjMama]

Yo

Ahh... ok, you sounded a bit like her, just curious.

I have not heard of oxygen denaturing enzymes, but that doesn't mean it ain't so. From what I have read pH, temperature, and solvents can denature proteins (enzymes). In some situations (again I haven't had time to dig for details) proteins/enzymes can renature. It doesn't sound like renaturing is super common, but way above my paygrade and just trying to learn.

Imo SST's are the best. What a pure unadulterated form of enzymes, pgr's, pgh's, etc! It is also my understanding we are getting most of the same benefits from using coconut water or sst's. Pretty interchangeable. Kelp meal is also amazing. It contains over 70 microelements, IAA, Manitol, Alginic Acid, etc, etc. A must have for every garden!

Peace!

P-

I could totally be wrong. It wouldn't be the first time. Ive just been told to use or freeze my coconut water within 24 hours and I was thinking it was because of the enzymes denaturing. I appogize if that was a misunderstanding on my part.

Either way, most coconut water on the market is heat pasteurized which for sure denatures the enzymes. So SST's for enzymes and fermenting coconut water for other benefits might be a perfect option.

 

[MjMama]

I totally missed the part of the first post where you mentioned probiotics. I just made a batch of lactobacillus and have been using it for my outdoor and indoor. It makes a great cure/preventative for powdery mildew and other problems. I also watered it into my soil with some bokashi bran.

 

[Pattahabi]

Yo

I could totally be wrong. It wouldn't be the first time. Ive just been told to use or freeze my coconut water within 24 hours and I was thinking it was because of the enzymes denaturing. I appogize if that was a misunderstanding on my part.

Either way, most coconut water on the market is heat pasteurized which for sure denatures the enzymes. So SST's for enzymes and fermenting coconut water for other benefits might be a perfect option.

Yeah, I could totally be wrong as well. Still trying to read up on it, but with spring here I'm having trouble finding the time.

SST's will surely supply you with what you need in regards to enzymes et al. For what it is worth this is a few reasons why I shy away from coconut water. Fresh coconuts are not really fresh. It takes weeks to months to get them to your grocery store. Every freeze dried coconut water I have found contains tapioca dextrin. Most of the bottled or canned coconut water is reconstituted from powder. With that said, I'm still using a little of the powder here and there, but not like I used to.

Have you read/tried the malted grain teas yet?

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[MjMama]

Yeah, I could totally be wrong as well. Still trying to read up on it, but with spring here I'm having trouble finding the time.

SST's will surely supply you with what you need in regards to enzymes et al. For what it is worth this is a few reasons why I shy away from coconut water. Fresh coconuts are not really fresh. It takes weeks to months to get them to your grocery store. Every freeze dried coconut water I have found contains tapioca dextrin. Most of the bottled or canned coconut water is reconstituted from powder. With that said, I'm still using a little of the powder here and there, but not like I used to.

Have you read/tried the malted grain teas yet?

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I'm big into the SST right now. From what I understand it's best to sprout your own seeds at home vs starting with pre-malted seeds. The malting process involves sprouting the seeds, then kiln drying and removing the root stubs that have grown. They do this for beer brewing to avoid cloudy beers caused by the roots. But for our purpose the roots don't hurt anything and there are higher enzyme levels in freshly sprouted seeds compared to pre-malted and dried seed. The only coconut water I use is the Harmless Harvest because it's the only brand I know of Thats raw, unpasturized, organic from green coconuts. Amy and Brian is a good brand too but they flash pasturiize. They would be a great option for fermenting and are easier
to find than the harmless harvest which has to be refrigerated.

 

[Pattahabi]

I'm big into the SST right now. From what I understand it's best to sprout your own seeds at home vs starting with pre-malted seeds. The malting process involves sprouting the seeds, then kiln drying and removing the root stubs that have grown. They do this for beer brewing to avoid cloudy beers caused by the roots. But for our purpose the roots don't hurt anything and there are higher enzyme levels in freshly sprouted seeds compared to pre-malted and dried seed. The only coconut water I use is the Harmless Harvest because it's the only brand I know of Thats raw, unpasturized, organic from green coconuts. Amy and Brian is a good brand too but they flash pasturiize. They would be a great option for fermenting and are easier
to find than the harmless harvest which has to be refrigerated.

I love SST's! What are your favorite things to sprout? That is very interesting about removing the roots on the malted grains. A lot of people have switched from fresh to the malted. However, I am not able to achieve the same results with the malted. I do get results, just not as pronounced. I think it was coco libre or someone I just read that is now using powder instead of fresh coconut water?

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[MjMama]

I love SST's! What are your favorite things to sprout? That is very interesting about removing the roots on the malted grains. A lot of people have switched from fresh to the malted. However, I am not able to achieve the same results with the malted. I do get results, just not as pronounced. I think it was coco libre or someone I just read that is now using powder instead of fresh coconut water?

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I mostly just use barley for now but when that runs out I will order some alfalfa
seeds to sprout. I haven't tried corn yet because of my distrust of the corn
industry right now.

It's amazing how you can water in a seed tea, come
out later and all the leaves are pointing straight up. Like they're on steroids. Even in the dark cycle the leaves will be praying.

 

[Pattahabi]

I mostly just use barley for now but when that runs out I will order some alfalfa
seeds to sprout. I haven't tried corn yet because of my distrust of the corn
industry right now.

It's amazing how you can water in a seed tea, come
out later and all the leaves are pointing straight up. Like they're on steroids. Even in the dark cycle the leaves will be praying.

You can tell the plants just love it. I will use SST's on everything forever. Absolute must have imo.

Amazingly enough, I haven't tried barely yet. I've been using a fair amount of buckwheat. Corn is a pita to sprout imo. I love alfalfa seed sst's. Make sure you cut way back on the amount of alfalfa seeds you use. An alfalfa seed SST will also be very high in TRIA, so you might not want to use that one late into flower. Sorry if this is old news, I just figure better safe than sorry.

I can't remember if you mentioned this, but do you read Gil Caranding's work (theunconventionalfarmer.com)? And if so, have you played with any of his fermentation recipes? It's been on my to do list to try one for a while now.

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[MistaRasta]

Thanks guys. I really like all the conversation. Lots of good info in here.

I actually went out and bought seed stock yesterday as I'm prepared to make the switch from coconut water to SST's.

I bought a pound of Barley, two pounds of Alfalfa, and a pound of corn. All organic of course. I mixed the barley and alfalfa together and they're sprouting as we speak.

I'm mainly making the switch because of cost and reviews of the SST's. I can also get everything I need at my local health food store.

Economical for sure.

 

[hyroot]

I've done barley and mung beans a bunch for years. In the last month or so. I started using corn seed. I found it really cheap locally. Imo corn seed is the best to use. I don't know if its the cytokines, amino acids , or if there's more sugars / brix. But the flavor and smell OMG lol. Best ever. Even the negative emo's that don't like anything were impressed by the pungent smell / flavor and look. Such natural fruit , skunk , kushy flavors.

 

[MjMama]

Thanks guys. I really like all the conversation. Lots of good info in here.

I actually went out and bought seed stock yesterday as I'm prepared to make the switch from coconut water to SST's.

I bought a pound of Barley, two pounds of Alfalfa, and a pound of corn. All organic of course. I mixed the barley and alfalfa together and they're sprouting as we speak.

I'm mainly making the switch because of cost and reviews of the SST's. I can also get everything I need at my local health food store.

Economical for sure.

You won't regret it. If I had to narrow my nutrients list down to 5 things it would be Kelp, alfalfa, worm castings, Seed Tea, and Molasses. I could have a very successful grow with just those things and bagged soil. They definitely give the most bang for your buck. I tried a lot of new things over my winter/spring indoor grow and most of them I could do without and didn't really notice much difference. But Seed Tea you can see results overnight. It's insane. The coconut water is great too. I buy a batch and freeze it in ice cube trays so it's ready to use when I need it. But if I had to chose I'd take seed teas first.

 

[MistaRasta]

You won't regret it. If I had to narrow my nutrients list down to 5 things it would be Kelp, alfalfa, worm castings, Seed Tea, and Molasses. I could have a very successful grow with just those things and bagged soil. They definitely give the most bang for your buck. I tried a lot of new things over my winter/spring indoor grow and most of them I could do without and didn't really notice much difference. But Seed Tea you can see results overnight. It's insane. The coconut water is great too. I buy a batch and freeze it in ice cube trays so it's ready to use when I need it. But if I had to chose I'd take seed teas first.

Thanks for the suggestions. I used my first sst a couple days ago and all I can say is WOW!

I've never seen my white fire so vigorous. I swear she grew 3 inches overnight. I'm so glad I can source alfalfa sees locally. I'm excited to see my plants in flower as This is the first time I've used this mix