Organic vs. Synthetic (Cleaner High)

[chuck estevez]

 

[H R Puff N Stuff]

he said ,GOOD DAY SIR ... sorry couldnt help myself

 

[chuck estevez]

Douchenozzle can spew whatever he wants, I couldn't hear him all the way up there on his fuckin high horse. Dude can't just grow good weed, so he comes up with all kinds of gimmicks and BS to justify his shitty weed. Maybe if he just got some good genetics and kept it simple stoner, he would see what good weed really is.

 

[st0wandgrow]

More like you dont know how to grow bud

So you have to let microbes do tue work for you


Its completely possible to produce herb that smokes as smooth as any TLO from hydro... but it takes a lot more skill because the grower is in charge of dialing the plant in.

Sounds like you had a bad experience trying to grow on your own

I've used ebb and flow tables in the past. I'm growing my first DWC bucket right now, 5 weeks in to flower. Dude, it takes no skillz. I could train the monkey in my avatar to do it. lol

 

[chuck estevez]

I've used ebb and flow tables in the past. I'm growing my first DWC bucket right now, 5 weeks in to flower. Dude, it takes no skillz. I could train the monkey in my avatar to do it. lol

I think his point is more that hydro can be grown dank in the right growers hands, most hydro here is grown for commercial use, it is pulled early and pumped full of high ppms. Why it gets a bad name sometimes.

 

[st0wandgrow]

Chuck you'll appreciate this... I'm using ONE bottle of Dyna Grow and she's healthy as can be.
PK boosters head would explode if he saw this plant. haha!

 

[green_machine_two9er]

This thread is funny. Like religion. There is no real conversation going on. Just people trying to prove their own beliefs to themselves. But honestly. There is no question here. It's very simple. Hydro for dough. Organic for medicine. Not organic bottles but living soil. To all the naysayers an people who say us organic growers are on high horses. Well maybe it's true cause we are smoking the cleaner better high her. Which helps us get up on the saddle. . I say let everyone grow chemy weed. Just makes mine more sought after. Cheers everyone!

Care to post your organic plants ???? you appear to be all talk

barking up the wrong tree here. @Pattahabi knows his shit. Te best of us probable have no need to show off. Keep a grow journal or anything that boost ego.

 

[st0wandgrow]

I think his point is more that hydro can be grown dank in the right growers hands, most hydro here is grown for commercial use, it is pulled early and pumped full of high ppms. Why it gets a bad name sometimes.

For sure. I've tasted some great hydro grown weed.

I think the main advantage to organic soil is pest resistance. I used to battle bugs non stop when I used synthetics. Something about the relationship between the plant and the microbes with organics increases the plants ability to fend off pests. I haven't had a pest issue since switching.

As for which tastes better, or which is more potent? I Can't tell the difference. The plant takes up
The nutrients in the exact same chemical form so I don't see how one can taste better or worse? I suppose there's more room for error when using bottled nutrients so some of it can be harsh. Like you said, less is more. The one I'm growing now in DWC hasn't seen anything above 1,000ppm and it's healthy as can be.

 

[chuck estevez]

For sure. I've tasted some great hydro grown weed.

I think the main advantage to organic soil is pest resistance. I used to battle bugs non stop when I used synthetics. Something about the relationship between the plant and the microbes with organics increases the plants ability to fend off pests. I haven't had a pest issue since switching.

As for which tastes better, or which is more potent? I Can't tell the difference. The plant takes up
The nutrients in the exact same chemical form so I don't see how one can taste better or worse? I suppose there's more room for error when using bottled nutrients so some of it can be harsh. Like you said, less is more. The one I'm growing now in DWC hasn't seen anything above 1,000ppm and it's healthy as can be.

I read that before, dude got a lot of shit for saying it, but I didn't join in on that because it makes sense.

 

[chuck estevez]

This thread is funny. Like religion. There is no real conversation going on. Just people trying to prove their own beliefs to themselves. But honestly. There is no question here. It's very simple. Hydro for dough. Organic for medicine. Not organic bottles but living soil. To all the naysayers an people who say us organic growers are on high horses. Well maybe it's true cause we are smoking the cleaner better high her. Which helps us get up on the saddle. . I say let everyone grow chemy weed. Just makes mine more sought after. Cheers everyone!

barking up the wrong tree here. @Pattahabi knows his shit. Te best of us probable have no need to show off. Keep a grow journal or anything that boost ego.

cleaner better high? Please just STFU with that bullshit. I think you left your prius running

 

[foreverflyhi]

For sure. I've tasted some great hydro grown weed.

I think the main advantage to organic soil is pest resistance. I used to battle bugs non stop when I used synthetics. Something about the relationship between the plant and the microbes with organics increases the plants ability to fend off pests. I haven't had a pest issue since switching.

As for which tastes better, or which is more potent? I Can't tell the difference. The plant takes up
The nutrients in the exact same chemical form so I don't see how one can taste better or worse? I suppose there's more room for error when using bottled nutrients so some of it can be harsh. Like you said, less is more. The one I'm growing now in DWC hasn't seen anything above 1,000ppm and it's healthy as can be.

U broke my heart

I said it earlier and I'll say it again, people can't tell the difference because we are desensitized to knowing what is good and cleaner and what is bad and polluted.

Here is a little test on knowing the difference when smoking chemicals and organics.
Chemical inhale will burn your throat instantly, while at the same time will also burned your throat on the exhale, and will have a itchy after burn.

Organics will have a smooth inhale, with a lung expanding exhale which might cause you to cough, with no itchy after burn.

if we didn't grow up off of gmo synthetic food, then we would be able to tell the difference, however, because of most of our upbringings with food, we can't tell the difference.
The opressed never know they opressed, because if we did, true revolution would happen.

But once agian besides all that, it's about our environment at the end of the day, bottle nutes is adding to the problem, period

 

[green_machine_two9er]

cleaner better high? Please just STFU with that bullshit. I think you left your prius running

Your right! No jk. I wish I had a Prius for real though. It could run all night and light up the barefoot drum circles. We could even dread our hair and roll around in compost.

 

[chuck estevez]

I'm not anti organic, i think all farms should grow with living soil, But in a potted plant in a grow room to grow weed, it doesn't have to be that way.
What i am is anti Bull shit, you got the led guys claiming their weed is better, then the organic guys with their tastes better, now cleaner high and it's better for you to SMOKE something grown in organic soil. Truth is, good genetics grown by a good grower results in great weed, regardless of the way it was grown.

almost forgot my buddy @pk_boosted2 who claims you can only grow dank with superior salts from AN and canna

 

[st0wandgrow]

U broke my heart

I said it earlier and I'll say it again, people can't tell the difference because we are desensitized to knowing what is good and cleaner and what is bad and polluted.

Here is a little test on knowing the difference when smoking chemicals and organics.
Chemical inhale will burn your throat instantly, while at the same time will also burned your throat on the exhale, and will have a itchy after burn.

Organics will have a smooth inhale, with a long expanding exhale which might cause you to cough, with no itchy after burn.

if we didn't grow up off of gmo synthetic food, then we would be able to tell the difference, however, because of most of our upbringings with food, we can't tell the difference.
The opressed never know they opressed, because if we did, true revolution would happen.

But once agian besides all that, it's about our environment at the end of the day, bottle nutes is adding to the problem, period

I don't disagree with most of that. I grow organically because I feel there are some benefits to it. Pest resistance being the main one. I also think it's easier to reach the plants genetic potential.... but that's not to say that a properly grown synthetic plant can't reach that same potential. IMO you can't tell the difference between a properly grown synthetic and organic plant. It's all in your head. The reason you're tasting a "harsh" burn is due to improper harvesting and drying, not whether the sources of NPK are organic or inorganic.

I also am with you on the environmental thing. I have no plans on growing any other way.... I just disagree on the whole taste/smell/high being better with organics.

 

[foreverflyhi]

I don't disagree with most of that. I grow organically because I feel there are some benefits to it. Pest resistance being the main one. I also think it's easier to reach the plants genetic potential.... but that's not to say that a properly grown synthetic plant can't reach that same potential. IMO you can't tell the difference between a properly grown synthetic and organic plant. It's all in your head. The reason you're tasting a "harsh" burn is due to improper harvesting and drying, not whether the sources of NPK are organic or inorganic.

I also am with you on the environmental thing. I have no plans on growing any other way.... I just disagree on the whole taste/smell/high being better with organics.

Well then my good friend,

I can't argue with that, especially if I don't have the scientific research to back it up.
Geuss all I can say is, (yes a smart ass reply)
Thousands of growers here in California have been doing it wrong all this time, because in my 18 years of smoking, i never had a hydro herb that made me go wow. And yes, I do my research before i purchase any herb.
Btw I'm not talking about just one part of California, I'm talking about north, east, west and southern California, the state known for some of the best herb in the world... Want to clarify that because I know where I get my herb, and how it's grown.
heheheheh sound snotty and privledgesd I do
Don't worry out of staters, we are losing our belt soon due to no water lol

 

[hydroMD]

wonder why you never see organic heads in the hydro section telling people hydro is for people who dont know how to grow. Hydro growers need directions and bottles and dont know how to read a plant. That's because were not stuck in a high school mentality having to prove our way is better. Why do you hydro / Chem guys feel so threatened that you have to cone to the organic section and spit your nonsensical used car salesman bullshit. We dont care who you are or what you do...

fact of the matter is. Hydro grown or using chems / synths anything is unhealthy and down the line can and will cause disease. Hydro grown ot chems synths is force feeding a plant. Not letting the plant grow to the full potential of its genetics, losing out on teprene oils, trichomes, even color.

veggies even have a world of difference in flavor with chems vs organic. I grow all my veggies. I grow all my pot. Fish comes from the ocean and lakes. Not the store. Chicken and turkey comes from co op farmers markets. Every meal is made from scratch. We make our own flour and everything too. So no GMO, chems, synths in my diet. I'll bet ill live a lot longer than these pro Chem growers

Lmao

Lets see one of those hundred case studies that backbuo your point.


Oh yeah... they dont exist.

Whats funnybis i am abke to talk to college professors at one of the most recognized agricultural insititutes in the nation....

None of them share your point of view. Its not better or worse. If you have your setup dialed in your delivering exactly what tje plant wants either way.


Thinking that just becaise you have organisms chelating all your nutrients forbyou makes thing superior is just straight ignorant..... you can literally use synthetics that ARE THE EXACT SAME MOLECULES as organics after the food web has done its thing.

If your bud tastes way different from synthetics than organics, ya need more practice

 

[st0wandgrow]

Well then my good friend,

I can't argue with that, especially if I don't have the scientific research to back it up.
Geuss all I can say is, (yes a smart ass reply)
Thousands of growers here in California have been doing it wrong all this time, because in my 18 years of smoking, i never had a hydro herb that made me go wow. And yes, I do my research before i purchase any herb.
Btw I'm not talking about just one part of California, I'm talking about north, east, west and southern California, the state known for some of the best herb in the world... Want to clarify that because I know where I get my herb, and how it's grown.
heheheheh sound snotty and privledgesd I do
Don't worry out of staters, we are losing our belt soon due to no water lol

My opinion only, but I think most people that use synthetics use WAY too much of it, following the feeding charts from the nutrient companies. Those companies have a vested interest in consumers using a shit ton of their product.

My observations are primarily from smoking my own bud, so I don't have a lot to go on here. I just know that the strains I've had for long stretches that have been grown various different ways all seem the same to me. I think my plants look healthier now in an organic soil, but if there is a difference in the finished product it's negligible.

The plant I'm growing in DWC is WAY bigger than I could achieve in soil though. I credit that to the amount of oxygen being pumped in to the root zone, not the fact that I'm using synthetic nutrients.

 

[hyroot]

Lmao

Lets see one of those hundred case studies that backbuo your point.


Oh yeah... they dont exist.

Whats funnybis i am abke to talk to college professors at one of the most recognized agricultural insititutes in the nation....

None of them share your point of view. Its not better or worse. If you have your setup dialed in your delivering exactly what tje plant wants either way.


Thinking that just becaise you have organisms chelating all your nutrients forbyou makes thing superior is just straight ignorant..... you can literally use synthetics that ARE THE EXACT SAME MOLECULES as organics after the food web has done its thing.

If your bud tastes way different from synthetics than organics, ya need more practice

.you e said this before in other threads I posted several studies. There's hundreds of them. So go back to those threads. I'm nit doing this dance again

 

[Darth Vapour]

There is know denying both ways grow weed and good weed but get that mind set out of your head that organic is the be all ,, If that was the case with 21,000 people starving to death each month we should rely on organic farming to better them numbers to what 33.000 + deaths per month cause of less yield there has been tests after tests done side by sides chem vs organics , studies on nutrition on both ends and guess what organics is no better for anything ???? but hey a tree Hugger is a tree Hugger.. and like the saying goes you cannot teach a old dog new tricks ..
Everyone has a brain fucking use it for a change and stop being a sheep..
You get the i hope so n so member comes in here WTF again following something like a religious group YOU ARE RIGHT EVERYONE ELSE IS WRONG CAUSE THIS GUY HAS THE MOST POST COUNT HE KNOWS HIS SHIT, OR THIS GUY IS A WAREHOUSE GROWER HE KNOWS HIS SHIT
Everyone makes growing a fucking WEED so complicated its not even funny with so much ego and miss leading info its just out right fucking HALARIOUS
like saying hey guys check out this grow this is what i add once a week but do not use Viagra but use Calias its more natural hahaha and them buds are hard as a rock ....
I am surprised the ASH test has not been talked about ... Here a wake up call folks proper drying and curing which 80- 90 percent of growers Fail miserably at is also the determining factor on final product taste smell etc

But yeah it all should go organic this way we can weed out the stupid genes in humanity and rid them genes frm the human gene pool with costs sky rocketing imagine for a moment 30- 50 percent less harvests world wide fucking Eh .. this means that loaf of bread is 20 bucks milk 8 bucks pound of bacon 30 bucks you can watch first hand your family and friends DIE of starvation
It doesn;t stop there corn is in pretty much everything with less corn harvests means a spiral effect see pretty much everything is made from starch .. and is addicting like CRACK
pepsi / coke starch, spark plugs Starch, Tires you can not make tires with out starch ...
dry wall starch see you cannot build a house , car with out starch but with th high demand
and lets not forget the foreclosure rate now figure 40 percent increase in everything you just bettered your life going organics now have you

 

[st0wandgrow]

Something else to consider here is brix levels. From what ive read this will impact terpene levels, and thus taste and smell. Rock dusts and other sources of minerals take a very long time to break down, and require microbes to assist in this. Hyroot, P, foreverflyhi and others are recying their soil and perhaps are taking better advantage of those minerals because of this, so maybe that's where the increased taste and smell is coming from. The typical soil grower using synthetics tosses his soil after each run, and isn't reaping the benefits of those slow release minerals.

Just something to think about