Organic vs. Synthetic (Cleaner High)

[hydroMD]

.you e said this before in other threads I posted several studies. There's hundreds of them. So go back to those threads. I'm nit doing this dance again

Nah, you literally said "theres hundreds of case studies backing up what im saying"

And that was the end of it lol.

But anyways

 

[hydroMD]

Something else to consider here is brix levels. From what ive read this will impact terpene levels, and thus taste and smell. Rock dusts and other sources of minerals take a very long time to break down, and require microbes to assist in this. Hyroot, P, foreverflyhi and others are recying their soil and perhaps are taking better advantage of those minerals because of this, so maybe that's where the increased taste and smell is coming from. The typical soil grower using synthetics tosses his soil after each run, and isn't reaping the benefits of those slow release minerals.

Just something to think about

Word, i would never suggest using synthetics in soil... TLO is tue only way to grow soil...

BUT if you take the dirt out of the equation it doewnt mean your product is now inferior to all soil grows lol

 

[hydroMD]

Well then my good friend,

I can't argue with that, especially if I don't have the scientific research to back it up.
Geuss all I can say is, (yes a smart ass reply)
Thousands of growers here in California have been doing it wrong all this time, because in my 18 years of smoking, i never had a hydro herb that made me go wow. And yes, I do my research before i purchase any herb.
Btw I'm not talking about just one part of California, I'm talking about north, east, west and southern California, the state known for some of the best herb in the world... Want to clarify that because I know where I get my herb, and how it's grown.
heheheheh sound snotty and privledgesd I do
Don't worry out of staters, we are losing our belt soon due to no water lol

My weed is organic AND gluten free

People round here wont pay jack for organic weed with gluten in it


Cause we all know organic is the end all and gluten is terrible for everyone

 

[Darth Vapour]

You can't put 10 brix alfalfa in one end of the cow and expect 20 brix of milk on the other end
but hey Lets break this organic myth down .. why would any old compost be top quality ???
what does the average tree hugger get but manures for his organic garden / home depot / Rona usually infested with gnats. aphids mites being its comercially fucked with ..
Low quality Manure How true can this not be All manure by its very nature is low quality ,,, How could it be other wise ....
It came from a animal which its digestive track mined all the minerals to maintain its health and survive....
The manure is really nothing but waste And truthfully speaking LOW BRIX waste
oh sure the plants will be lush and green but the truth is LOW BRIX plant to begin with remember the old saying you are what you eat you eat low brix foods you will be unhealthy ...
But the truth the real truth is growth is low Brix and quality will be LOW BRIX
But hey the shit doesn't stop here we got to grow organic ,,
so blood meal , bone meal usally comeing from mill slaughter houses you know them pigs that never seen the outside them crammed pigs in them cages being pumped with roids for harvest again commercially fucked with nothing what in a sense mother natures way of thinking ????

 

[whitebb2727]

Lmao

"I dont really care about those studies"

You and every other organic nut on these boards

Why pay any note to the scientific method... lets just ignore hard studies and get back to our own "personal" beliefs


Lol

Why is it that you believe so strongly in science but ignore millions of years of plants growing on their own without your help?

Those studies are made and controlled by companies that have vested interests. Plants have been growing for millennia without your help. So excuse me if I don't listen to companies that tell me I need their products.

 

[hydroMD]

Why is it that you believe so strongly in science but ignore millions of years of plants growing on their own without your help?

Those studies are made and controlled by companies that have vested interests. Plants have been growing for millennia without your help. So excuse me if I don't listen to companies that tell me I need their products.

Wtf is your point? A lot of things have been happening for millenia... i guess we shoukd just stop all progress because there is no room for improvement

Lol

 

[Darth Vapour]

Why is it that you believe so strongly in science but ignore millions of years of plants growing on their own without your help?

Those studies are made and controlled by companies that have vested interests. Plants have been growing for millennia without your help. So excuse me if I don't listen to companies that tell me I need their products.

Yeah companies like Monsanto who work both ends of the spectrum your damned if you do or damned if you don't lol And ??? at the end of the day if ???? a organic farmer can increase his yields or lets put it in real life terms MONEY.
Then by all means use pesticides that are deemed illegal in other countries but allowed in organic in some countries , lets face it hypothetically speaking Organics = a simple standard across the board , but in many cases this is not the case.
Its a never ending novel

 

[whitebb2727]

Wtf is your point? A lot of things have been happening for millenia... i guess we shoukd just stop all progress because there is no room for improvement

Lol

That's not my point. Progress is fine. I just prefer to know what's in my food. I use nothing but local sources for my garden. I compost waste and have worm bins. Hey if your happy with the way you do things have at it. I'm not condescending, I even will try to help others that grow with chemicals.

You and darth seem to look down on people.

Darth, you have a lack of knowledge. Organic is not just throwing some shit in a garden. It is a multi faceted approach.

You both know there are other sub sections in this forum that you could hang out in. This is the organic section, I don't go to other sections and preach and tell you what your doing is wrong.

 

[chuck estevez]

That's not my point. Progress is fine. I just prefer to know what's in my food. I use nothing but local sources for my garden. I compost waste and have worm bins. Hey if your happy with the way you do things have at it. I'm not condescending, I even will try to help others that grow with chemicals.

You and darth seem to look down on people.

Darth, you have a lack of knowledge. Organic is not just throwing some shit in a garden. It is a multi faceted approach.

You both know there are other sub sections in this forum that you could hang out in. This is the organic section, I don't go to other sections and preach and tell you what your doing is wrong.

when someone makes a claim, it's open for discussion, no matter the forum or how stupid it is.

 

[Darth Vapour]

when someone makes a claim, it's open for discussion, no matter the forum or how stupid it is.

And hope it stays civil which in most cases the person being subjective gets deemed the ass wipe for not following the cult or Religion haha truthfully speaking

 

[Darth Vapour]

That's not my point. Progress is fine. I just prefer to know what's in my food. I use nothing but local sources for my garden. I compost waste and have worm bins. Hey if your happy with the way you do things have at it. I'm not condescending, I even will try to help others that grow with chemicals.

You and darth seem to look down on people.

Darth, you have a lack of knowledge. Organic is not just throwing some shit in a garden. It is a multi faceted approach.

You both know there are other sub sections in this forum that you could hang out in. This is the organic section, I don't go to other sections and preach and tell you what your doing is wrong.

See what i mean ?? Here is a little insight do not judge people on there beliefs or theories i have been in this business 50 plus years of knowing shit handed down from family and also reading i am not a horticulturist by trade but family is ,, With that said have a firm grip on the understanding of plant growth from start to finish again from experience cause if we didn't our business would of failed 50 years ago but not only that but with working with hundreds of thousands of species of plants trees fruits n vegetables
I do not look down on no body were human but i will frown upon people that are misguided into beliefs..
we Sterilize all soils prior to using them cause one bad insect or disease will wipe out 300,000 dollar crop if you catch my drift or give our company a bad name last thing anyone wants
so with that said i am preaching nothing here as i am a both way grower
you tend to think your a avid organic gardener with insects being a important part of any natural eco system could you please post us some insects in your in house grow ???
Do you run companion plants in your so called organic garden so please sir refrain from picking members names from that straw hat you most certainly wear

 

[whitebb2727]

See what i mean ?? Here is a little insight do not judge people on there beliefs or theories i have been in this business 50 plus years of knowing shit handed down from family and also reading i am not a horticulturist by trade but family is ,, With that said have a firm grip on the understanding of plant growth from start to finish again from experience cause if we didn't our business would of failed 50 years ago but not only that but with working with hundreds of thousands of species of plants trees fruits n vegetables
I do not look down on no body were human but i will frown upon people that are misguided into beliefs..
we Sterilize all soils prior to using them cause one bad insect or disease will wipe out 300,000 dollar crop if you catch my drift or give our company a bad name last thing anyone wants
so with that said i am preaching nothing here as i am a both way grower
you tend to think your a avid organic gardener with insects being a important part of any natural eco system could you please post us some insects in your in house grow ???
Do you run companion plants in your so called organic garden so please sir refrain from picking members names from that straw hat you most certainly wear

You seemed to discredit organic farmers. I did not make a personal attack against you. I have been gardening since I could walk. I to make a living from my produce. I have never had the need to sterilize anything but I understand your point. I haven't had much of a need for any kind of pesticide, but would side with you and use something if need be before I lost everything and went broke.
Don't take it so personal we are just discussing.

I live in an illegal state. My indoor is very small that doesn't allow me to run companion plants. My space is crammed packed with bud. As far as outdoor it is guerilla. If I could grow out in the open it would be a different story.

 

[hydroMD]

That's not my point. Progress is fine. I just prefer to know what's in my food. I use nothing but local sources for my garden. I compost waste and have worm bins. Hey if your happy with the way you do things have at it. I'm not condescending, I even will try to help others that grow with chemicals.

You and darth seem to look down on people.

Darth, you have a lack of knowledge. Organic is not just throwing some shit in a garden. It is a multi faceted approach.

You both know there are other sub sections in this forum that you could hang out in. This is the organic section, I don't go to other sections and preach and tell you what your doing is wrong.

Nothing wrong with TLO

Its the smugness that surrounds it from the likes like pattahbi and hyroot and co.

Very fast to toot their own horn and say their style of growing cannot be matched by synthetic is just olain dumb.

Thats like saying a person cant live on juice... they need to chew up theor own food and let it digest naturallly

See what i mean ?? Here is a little insight do not judge people on there beliefs or theories i have been in this business 50 plus years of knowing shit handed down from family and also reading i am not a horticulturist by trade but family is ,, With that said have a firm grip on the understanding of plant growth from start to finish again from experience cause if we didn't our business would of failed 50 years ago but not only that but with working with hundreds of thousands of species of plants trees fruits n vegetables
I do not look down on no body were human but i will frown upon people that are misguided into beliefs..
we Sterilize all soils prior to using them cause one bad insect or disease will wipe out 300,000 dollar crop if you catch my drift or give our company a bad name last thing anyone wants
so with that said i am preaching nothing here as i am a both way grower
you tend to think your a avid organic gardener with insects being a important part of any natural eco system could you please post us some insects in your in house grow ???
Do you run companion plants in your so called organic garden so please sir refrain from picking members names from that straw hat you most certainly wear

But dude... their straw hat was produced by organic wheat.. therefore anything drawn from such hat has more validity than our synthetic cotton cap from Lids

 

[chuck estevez]

But hey, if you flush your synthetic grow for 2 weeks, you remove all the nutes, therefore you have better tasting bud than even organic, RIGHT?
cause you can't flush an organic grow.lol

 

[SPLFreak808]

But hey, if you flush your synthetic grow for 2 weeks, you remove all the nutes, therefore you have better tasting bud than even organic, RIGHT?
cause you can't flush an organic grow.lol

Im not really sure why, but it is pretty hard to keep a flowering plant green till the end with just organic soil, atleast with my girls. She will eat herself half way through with or without a flush. The only way would be to add ALOT of organic nitrogen only or something containing synthetic N. Synthetic can keep her green all the way to the point of easy re-vegging. Im only on my 3rd organic grow so im an organic noob and this is just some stoned theory in my head.

 

[hyroot]

Nah, you literally said "theres hundreds of case studies backing up what im saying"

And that was the end of it lol.

But anyways

there are hundreds of studies. There's articles and studies everywhere. Dating back to 2009 to last year. University , 3rd part etc. Just do a google search with .edu or oxford journals at the end. They will pop up.

if you wan to learn that's great. If you plan on continuing to be an asshole antagonizing everybody like chuck does with every post. That's your prerogative. I refuse to feed the fire. And have back and forth with some one who clearly isn't here for knowledge. But just to argue. So either be civil or be an asshole. Your choice. So good day!!!

 

[churchhaze]

I think sativa produces a cleaner high.

 

[Sunny Organics]

this quickly escalted to a organic vs synthetic debate... and we all know organic COULD be better.
1) its organic - NO CHEMICALS.
2) better for the environment, where does all our synthetic run off go to? HELP THE ENVIRONMENT FOR YOUR FUTURE GENERATIONS.
3) you save a little more money. specially if you make your own compost, ewc, and even your own manures. you can even make your own fermented bloom teas for free... i mean, bloom enhancers are sold for what?
4) if youre an outdoor grower, growing organic is the way to go, helps prevent soil erosion and will promote greater biodiversity in your land. again, organic growing helps the environment.
5) did i mention NO CHEMICALS!? know exactly what youre smoking, know whats in your bud, know what goes into your BODY. youre growing for yourself and people around you, wouldnt you want to smoke the best possible way by keeping it organic?

you want to smoke synthetic marijuana because thats what it is, go for it.... i chose to go the organic way because i want to know exactly whats in my medicine, i think its a no brainer. reality is everyone can improve themselves to grow safer. organic or synthetic grower, we're all the same its only a matter of choosing what you want to smoke and provide those around you.

 

[hyroot]

But hey, if you flush your synthetic grow for 2 weeks, you remove all the nutes, therefore you have better tasting bud than even organic, RIGHT?
cause you can't flush an organic grow.lol

flushing doesn't remove nutes. It only removes salts. Those chemicals stay in the buds. Your body absorbs the chemicals when you inhale or digest those flowers. The chems build up over time and cause disease because your body can't purge them out or break them down. If you argue this. That will show how inept you truly are. But you probably will since you like to troll. So good day!!

 

[chuck estevez]

flushing doesn't remove nutes. It only removes salts. Those chemicals stay in the buds. Your body absorbs the chemicals when you inhale or digest those flowers. The chems build up over time and cause disease because your body can't purge them out or break them down. If you argue this. That will show how inept you truly are. But you probably will since you like to troll. So good day!!

LOL