Advanced Nutrients

[pk_boosted2]

And like i also said i dont care what u use to grow just dont talk about dyna gro being in same class as AN or Canna or being better bcuz thats simply bs.

Im running botanicare pure blend and the rock right now which both work very well and are 1 part nutrients which in comparison to Dyna Gro also a one part eill blow that bs out of the water every time hands down. Not even a comparison to quality.

Dyna gro is not even made and or designed for MJ and shud never be used to even grow the shit. Its filled w high volumes of Nitrogen and produces garbage low quality flowers. Ive seen countless runs done by customers w the shit that comes out fckin terrible. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Ppl who use that garbage just dont know better is all it boils down to. LOL

Secondly theres been many other informative articles regarding nutrients and dyna gro is mentioned in them as a bottom tier nutrient and not recommended at all by any serious cultivators or master growers. No big dog growers use that shit. For a reason.

And noone can still answer my simple question:
If dyna gro was so good and so cheap to use, than why if someone running a MJ business either GH or Warehouse. Than how come not one reputable large scale operation uses that garbage?

The answer is simple, bcuz its crap. Its for novice growers who want easy to use shit, that doesnt cost much money upfront so they can get flowers but lack any quality whatsoever. And they think its good bcuz they simply dont know any better.

 

[pk_boosted2]

Just like most ppl who all start w GH 3 part bcuz shops recommend it bcuz its easy to use its cheap and shops make 150% mark up on it.

But when u start growin u dont know what ur doing. So ur runs come out like shit and u blame the nutrients. BUT As years pass u try other shit and find u like H&G better (as an example) not realizing that if u take everything u know now about what u need to grow and feed ur plants than the GH 3 part that used to come out like shit bcuz of ur inexperience probably works really good u just didnt know better at the time.

So when someone ask u what u think about GH 3 part u say it fckin sucks my runs came out like shit now i use "X" nutrients dont use GH. But thats bcuz of ur issues when u were beginning. Ive heard this countless times at the shop not realizing that Gh 3 part is used by most large scale commercial growers who get really good results. I dont particularly care for the shit i think its a mid level nutrient at best but thats my opinion and experience runnig it. Im just using this as an example

 

[chuck estevez]

 

[chuck estevez]

Don't say I didn't warn ya @homebrewer

 

[Jbonezz420]

BULLSHIT, you are the same jbone, just with a new screename, same old AN bs.Only now, I have even more suspicion you are an employee of AN. so take that BS over to PK's barn, we ain't buying it.

Dude wtf, you need a break from this site. I'm a intermediate hydro grower that prefers AN over Dyna Gro, i'm a line cook at a hotel in Colorado, not an employee of AN.

Use your WIC food stamp Dyna gro nutes and I'll use my overpriced AN line.
Win win

 

[homebrewer]

Gees this guy again w his bs. Ok buddy yah AN uses cheap shit they just give u best results but u must be right lol.

If all nutrients and salts were the same there wud be NO competition! There wud b 1 magic bottle that did everything u need. BUT THERE ISNT!! Its for a reason bcuz salts are not just salts.

Nutrients are not created equal. Theres been thousands of articles from scientific studies and journal and scholarly articles written about nutrients derivatives and quality sources. You pay for what you get as Ive said plenty of times.

If anyone is foolish enough to believe that the salts and nutrients used in Dyna Gro are equal to or better than any of the salts nutrients or ingredients in Canna or AN well use them as an example.

Is simply misinformed and IMO a bonehead. Thats a fact. All nutrients and salts are not created equal. And AN uses high quality shit idk where the fck u come up w this jargon and useles rhetoric but go somewhere else w it cuz ur lying.

I'm sorry to break it to you but the water soluble calcium nitrate and potassium sulfate (for example) in your overpriced, watery bottles of snake oil are the same salts that are found in other liquid plant foods. Salts are salts, end of story.

Now if the conversation was about dry foods, a simple water-solubility test could be conducted to see how 'pure' the product really is.

 

[chuck estevez]

Dude wtf, you need a break from this site. I'm a intermediate hydro grower that prefers AN over Dyna Gro, i'm a line cook at a hotel in Colorado, not an employee of AN.

Use your WIC food stamp Dyna gro nutes and I'll use my overpriced AN line.
Win win

 

[homebrewer]

And noone can still answer my simple question:
If dyna gro was so good and so cheap to use, than why if someone running a MJ business either GH or Warehouse. Than how come not one reputable large scale operation uses that garbage?

The answer is simple, bcuz its crap. Its for novice growers who want easy to use shit, that doesnt cost much money upfront so they can get flowers but lack any quality whatsoever. And they think its good bcuz they simply dont know any better.

To answer your question above. DG sells 55 gallon drums of plant food and they've been doing so for decades. They sell to garden centers and nurseries and tree farms whose profit margin is exponentially lower than the handful of MMJ warehouses that exist in this world. Why isn't DG used you ask? I don't know that they aren't used but if those 'warehouse' growers are anything like the growers on these canna boards, most of which can't spell nor put a proper sentence together, then it's no surprise that they got suckered in by the slick marketing of 'cannabis specific' plant food companies.

And now a question to you: when was the last time that mass produced warehouse garbage was as good as our own homegrown medicine? If the herb at your local dispensary is better than what you grow at home then you're doing it wrong.

 

[Dr. Who]

@pk_boosted2 You said "Carolina is correct in saying that although all MJ is at end of the day MJ every strain needs diff ratios of nutrients which is especially important when running Sativa strains which run long periods of bloom. They need much higher levels of Nitrogen for overall plant health and they need to be run longer during bloom. Otherwise u will get premature yellowing and leaf drop.
The above statement just PROVED you don't KNOW plant science. Sativa's feed less then Indica's! If you believe that sativa's require more N in bloom because you get preme yellowing and leaf drop......It's BECAUSE of the too much P added by your high P bloom boosters!!!!!
Reason I always liked Advanced over other companies was because they break their nutrients down by categories which u can tailor to specific strains since each variety needs diff things at diff times. Most ppl think they do this for sales and as a gimmick and try forcing PPL to buy shit they don't need which is simply not the case nor the truth.
Amateur reasoning by logic and brainwashing......Strains do NOT need ANY differing NPK ratio's! They may require MORE nutrition as in feeding more or more often, and at differing times.....But, not differing Ratio's......That is plant science! The simple marketing rule: More separate packaging = More profits! You have been brainwashed! Don't believe what I just said? TAKE A BASIC HORTICULTURE CLASS AT YOUR LOCAL COM. COLLEGE!!!
As much as I like Canna I find when running heavy feeding varieties like Chem's and some OG strains their bases are inadequate regarding Nitrogen levels in bloom and I always have to supplement Nitrogen into feelings for a few weeks or I would get premature yellowing and leaf drop mid blooms. This is especially true when running 10-12 week Sativa strains which need extra N sources for the first 4 weeks to bloom, which is why I also like Advanced because I have never experienced or had issues with their bases not being sufficient.
See my first two answers AGAIN!
Regarding "salts" AN does have better derived sources for nutrients. They aren't just synthetics lab made salts such as those used in Dyna Gro.
And it's not only what type of salts being used that make some nutrients better than others. The main and most important thing regarding nutrients is the process for which they are extracted and derived from **BUT most importantly it is how these nutrients are chelated so ur plants can uptake them more easily, readily available and also at a wider range of uptake and also the soluability of the nutrients. This is esp important if u ever ran AN opposed to X nutrients in a hydro system and noticed dramatic swings in PH. Since AN using chelated and special formulas for their nutrients u won't see the wild swings in PH and they are very stable overall. BOL
More untruth's! Synthetic's are just a chem that is directly available to the plant for use! While better materials used to derive that chemical from, may make the process easier, it's does not make the end result any better then the next guy's end product! Look dude, there maybe differing qualities by process but not from the source. Chemical science! By saying these "salt's" are better then their salt's is corporate BS!!!
Organic nutrition is chem's (natural one's) in the soil that have to be broken down by living things in the soil to be available to the plant for use.

Oh yea? Then why does EVERY nutrient company have a different npk ratio.
If it was that simple, all the nutrient companies would be putting out identical proucts.

Because that's how they make themselves different from everyone else. AND, they all say their ratio's/proprietary formulation is the best or works better then others. Your back to marketing again son.......These companies are in it for the money.....You have to make it to survive...The more they make, the happier they are......Their are companies that do use the proper ratio's for of all things,,,powdered nutrients,,,,,like Jack's .....You have to cut them down to our needs, but Jack's 10-30-20 cut to 1/3 is a damn good bloom feed if used prudently!

I suggest you do some learning about actual science....

Mumble's while leaving thread "Ratio's are different for strains...Oh brother!"

 

[pk_boosted2]

The reason companies use marketing is bcuz its a fckin business. Reason companies dont have as good of marketing as others isnt bcuz they need to convince anyone to buy anything its called good business.

Thats why they are world reknown multi million dollar company. U can do all the fckin gimics and marketing u want BUT if ur products suck no matter how much markeing u do u arent gonna sell the shit regardless of how well u say it works. So there goes that BS theory.

Marketing is part of good business it goes hand in hand. Than when u back up ur claims with 100% money back satisfaction guarantee that speaks volumes for ur claims.

What other company gives u a guarantee 100% money back no questions asked? NONE that I know of. And its for a reason bcuz that how good their products are.

Yes I said before Dyna Gro is probably a great vegetable and flowrr plant food used by many nurseries world wide idk. BUT ITS NOT USED IN COMMERCIAL GROWS FOR MJ. This is a unique plant unlike anyother in the world. Its not a fckin weed that grows on just eater like many ppl wanna claim they can grow w dog piss and vinegar bcuz we all knows that just not the case.

Theres been several thousand articles written on all types of platforms regardin quality of nutrients used in chemical ferts. Theres 4 main levels British Pharm grade is highest. AN uses the 2nd highest lab grade pharm ferts in their products. Dyna Gro is a simple commercial lab grade fert. Look it up i promise u this to be true 100% FACT!

AN challenges and has called out ANY NUTRIENT COMPANY IN THE WORLD. To produce bugger and better yields and noone challenges their arguments anywhere Ive never seenone company say I guarantee u this product will outperform AN nutrients or ur money hakc. GUESS WHAT? AN NUTRIENTS DOES MAKE THIS CLAIM! Or you money back guaranteed. SO OBVIOUSLY NOONE WANTS TO DO THIS EXPIREMENT OR CHALLENGE IT BCUZ THEY KNOW AN IS THE GOLD STANDARD FOR MJ CULTIVATION.

Its not even a challenge man. Anyone who thinks DG or Jacks is on same level as AN is out of their minds im sorry but thats a fact

 

[Carolina Dream'n]

@pk_boosted2 You said "Carolina is correct in saying that although all MJ is at end of the day MJ every strain needs diff ratios of nutrients which is especially important when running Sativa strains which run long periods of bloom. They need much higher levels of Nitrogen for overall plant health and they need to be run longer during bloom. Otherwise u will get premature yellowing and leaf drop.
The above statement just PROVED you don't KNOW plant science. Sativa's feed less then Indica's! If you believe that sativa's require more N in bloom because you get preme yellowing and leaf drop......It's BECAUSE of the too much P added by your high P bloom boosters!!!!!
Reason I always liked Advanced over other companies was because they break their nutrients down by categories which u can tailor to specific strains since each variety needs diff things at diff times. Most ppl think they do this for sales and as a gimmick and try forcing PPL to buy shit they don't need which is simply not the case nor the truth.
Amateur reasoning by logic and brainwashing......Strains do NOT need ANY differing NPK ratio's! They may require MORE nutrition as in feeding more or more often, and at differing times.....But, not differing Ratio's......That is plant science! The simple marketing rule: More separate packaging = More profits! You have been brainwashed! Don't believe what I just said? TAKE A BASIC HORTICULTURE CLASS AT YOUR LOCAL COM. COLLEGE!!!
As much as I like Canna I find when running heavy feeding varieties like Chem's and some OG strains their bases are inadequate regarding Nitrogen levels in bloom and I always have to supplement Nitrogen into feelings for a few weeks or I would get premature yellowing and leaf drop mid blooms. This is especially true when running 10-12 week Sativa strains which need extra N sources for the first 4 weeks to bloom, which is why I also like Advanced because I have never experienced or had issues with their bases not being sufficient.
See my first two answers AGAIN!
Regarding "salts" AN does have better derived sources for nutrients. They aren't just synthetics lab made salts such as those used in Dyna Gro.
And it's not only what type of salts being used that make some nutrients better than others. The main and most important thing regarding nutrients is the process for which they are extracted and derived from **BUT most importantly it is how these nutrients are chelated so ur plants can uptake them more easily, readily available and also at a wider range of uptake and also the soluability of the nutrients. This is esp important if u ever ran AN opposed to X nutrients in a hydro system and noticed dramatic swings in PH. Since AN using chelated and special formulas for their nutrients u won't see the wild swings in PH and they are very stable overall. BOL
More untruth's! Synthetic's are just a chem that is directly available to the plant for use! While better materials used to derive that chemical from, may make the process easier, it's does not make the end result any better then the next guy's end product! Look dude, there maybe differing qualities by process but not from the source. Chemical science! By saying these "salt's" are better then their salt's is corporate BS!!!
Organic nutrition is chem's (natural one's) in the soil that have to be broken down by living things in the soil to be available to the plant for use.

Because that's how they make themselves different from everyone else. AND, they all say their ratio's/proprietary formulation is the best or works better then others. Your back to marketing again son.......These companies are in it for the money.....You have to make it to survive...The more they make, the happier they are......Their are companies that do use the proper ratio's for of all things,,,powdered nutrients,,,,,like Jack's .....You have to cut them down to our needs, but Jack's 10-30-20 cut to 1/3 is a damn good bloom feed if used prudently!

I suggest you do some learning about actual science....

Mumble's while leaving thread "Ratio's are different for strains...Oh brother!"

Ignorance is bliss. You know nothing about my education. And don't fucking call me son.

Funny, I have a cut of critical hog that doesn't work under my normal feeding schedule. Requires damn near the opposite.... Hates nitrogen in flower. While my blue dream ask for extra nitrogen. My plants tell me they do not use the same thing as each other....But all marijuana uses the same ratio of nutrients? Yea...ok
Just to take it a step further. You think landrace strains from Afghanistan and Mexico have the same nutrient needs or the same nutrients available at the same ratios? No.

 

[chuck estevez]

paragraph# 1The reason companies use marketing is bcuz its a fckin business. Reason companies dont have as good of marketing as others isnt bcuz they need to convince anyone to buy anything its called good business.
#2Thats why they are world reknown multi million dollar company. U can do all the fckin gimics and marketing u want BUT if ur products suck no matter how much markeing u do u arent gonna sell the shit regardless of how well u say it works. So there goes that BS theory.

#3Marketing is part of good business it goes hand in hand. Than when u back up ur claims with 100% money back satisfaction guarantee that speaks volumes for ur claims.

#4What other company gives u a guarantee 100% money back no questions asked? NONE that I know of. And its for a reason bcuz that how good their products are.

#5Yes I said before Dyna Gro is probably a great vegetable and flowrr plant food used by many nurseries world wide idk. BUT ITS NOT USED IN COMMERCIAL GROWS FOR MJ. This is a unique plant unlike anyother in the world. Its not a fckin weed that grows on just eater like many ppl wanna claim they can grow w dog piss and vinegar bcuz we all knows that just not the case.

#6Theres been several thousand articles written on all types of platforms regardin quality of nutrients used in chemical ferts. Theres 4 main levels British Pharm grade is highest. AN uses the 2nd highest lab grade pharm ferts in their products. Dyna Gro is a simple commercial lab grade fert. Look it up i promise u this to be true 100% FACT!

#7AN challenges and has called out ANY NUTRIENT COMPANY IN THE WORLD. To produce bugger and better yields and noone challenges their arguments anywhere Ive never seenone company say I guarantee u this product will outperform AN nutrients or ur money hakc. GUESS WHAT? AN NUTRIENTS DOES MAKE THIS CLAIM! Or you money back guaranteed. SO OBVIOUSLY NOONE WANTS TO DO THIS EXPIREMENT OR CHALLENGE IT BCUZ THEY KNOW AN IS THE GOLD STANDARD FOR MJ CULTIVATION.

#8Its not even a challenge man. Anyone who thinks DG or Jacks is on same level as AN is out of their minds im sorry but thats a fact

LOL

 

[707humboldt]

To answer your question above. DG sells 55 gallon drums of plant food and they've been doing so for decades. They sell to garden centers and nurseries and tree farms whose profit margin is exponentially lower than the handful of MMJ warehouses that exist in this world. Why isn't DG used you ask? I don't know that they aren't used but if those 'warehouse' growers are anything like the growers on these canna boards, most of which can't spell nor put a proper sentence together, then it's no surprise that they got suckered in by the slick marketing of 'cannabis specific' plant food companies.

And now a question to you: when was the last time that mass produced warehouse garbage was as good as our own homegrown medicine? If the herb at your local dispensary is better than what you grow at home then you're doing it wrong.

You have no idea apparently. What do you do differently at home that can't be done on warehouse scale?

 

[pk_boosted2]

This dudes a little slow man u got work w him lol.

Like i said this guy did a side by side w AN a few years ago messed whole run up and blamed AN for it so that shud tell u suttin.

Yes its easier to grow 1-2 lights than 20 maitenance wise but quality and yield shud b no different whether its 1 light or 100 period.

 

[Jbonezz420]

I think estwvez is in between harvests high on some weed he bought that was grown with AN hah a. No one was talking shit about dyna gro until you got on this AN forum talking shit.

 

[chuck estevez]

Hey I've used advanced sensi a/b and grow micro bloom and it almost takes the fun out of it haha! It's a super reliable formula that I've gotten my best yields and quality with. I recommend using a humic acid and h202 to further facilitate nute uptake.

I just got back into growing about a month ago, and decided to try dyna gro for a change of pace, nope. Back to advanced 3 part.

Don't knock it till you try it
-_-

You are full of shit

 

[chuck estevez]

i bought dyna gro to start my grow with some sativa clones because I was waiting for a paycheck. I saw very little growth and basically zero vigor.

Got my paycheck, got some advanced three part, two days later they've taken on that signature AN look, vigor.

AN is in my experience the most reliable, efficient nutrient line, and ive never even used they're additives.

Dyna gro didn't work for me

Don't blame your shitty growing skills on the nutes, you fuckin liar, you brought up Dyna before anyone,including me, even got involved in this thread.

 

[homebrewer]

The reason companies use marketing is bcuz its a fckin business. Reason companies dont have as good of marketing as others isnt bcuz they need to convince anyone to buy anything its called good business.

Thats why they are world reknown multi million dollar company. U can do all the fckin gimics and marketing u want BUT if ur products suck no matter how much markeing u do u arent gonna sell the shit regardless of how well u say it works. So there goes that BS theory.

I can tell you've never taken a marketing class.

Marketing is part of good business it goes hand in hand. Than when u back up ur claims with 100% money back satisfaction guarantee that speaks volumes for ur claims.

What other company gives u a guarantee 100% money back no questions asked? NONE that I know of. And its for a reason bcuz that how good their products are.

AN does not have a 100% money back guarantee. They are not the ones refunding your money, it's the grow shop and it's up to the grow shop's discretion as to whether you're getting your money back or not. Even if the shop takes your AN bottle back, the grow shop is not refunded 100% for said product meaning the grow shop takes a hit. That is not a company standing behind their product, that's a gimmicky 'guarantee' that screws the middleman.

Yes I said before Dyna Gro is probably a great vegetable and flowrr plant food used by many nurseries world wide idk. BUT ITS NOT USED IN COMMERCIAL GROWS FOR MJ. This is a unique plant unlike anyother in the world. Its not a fckin weed that grows on just eater like many ppl wanna claim they can grow w dog piss and vinegar bcuz we all knows that just not the case.

Cannabis is NOT a special plant with needs that are much different than a tomato or a pepper plant. Again, you've been sold the notion that cannabis IS special and it can only be grown with special plant food. Sorry, but that's pathetic.

Theres been several thousand articles written on all types of platforms regardin quality of nutrients used in chemical ferts. Theres 4 main levels British Pharm grade is highest. AN uses the 2nd highest lab grade pharm ferts in their products. Dyna Gro is a simple commercial lab grade fert. Look it up i promise u this to be true 100% FACT!

We're talking about liquid plants food here. If, for example, calcium nitrate or potassium sulfate or potassium phosphate is 100% water soluble then that is as good as it gets. Again, your notion that there is any difference in these water soluble salts is misguided.

Face the facts, you pay a premium for the same salts the rest of us are using and the kicker is that your bottles are about 1/2 as concentrated as ours.

 

[Aeroknow]

200! 200! 200!

 

[TheChemist77]

I have the flu! Shit sucks. Other than that just doing me. Hbu?

same old, same old, just started a few new strains a couple shit and cr mass by mr. nice and i just cloned 2 bubblegum fems by th..this is my first time running bubble gum,i hope it lives up to the hype..also running next generations dynamite and island sweet skunk, too many strains but ill cut back after a couple runs finding best producers of dank.. my critical mass by cbd hermed after just 3 runs of cuttings,,never had so many herms in 20 years..4 herms this year,,dont know why,,in 20 years never had a herm then in 1 year bam,herm,herm,herm,...i think the seed companies are slacking?? or it could be i moved to a new house but conditions are great?? anyways its all good..just keep on growing..lifes not to bad, opening day of fishing today!! in the land of a thousand lakes,,maybe thats minisota? im in michigan but hell theres a thousand lakes here too..lol