Do you believe Americans who work full time should earn a living wage?

[Padawanbater2]

wrong,

Under this program, employers can claim a tax credit on their federal taxes for each qualifying new hire. The amount of the tax credit is based on the amount of wages paid to each eligible worker.

Employers cannot claim the Work Opportunity Tax Credit for their relatives, former employees or undocumented workers.

How is that relevant?

sheskank asked how he was able to earn a living wage (implying that anyone who isn't is lazy/stupid/uneducated/etc.), UB posted a link to the WOTC showing that employers enjoy tax benefits for hiring ex felons, meaning they don't pay as much for them as they would someone who's not an ex felon, meaning it would be cheaper to hire him than it would be to hire me, not being an ex felon and all

Do you think everyone can make a living wage if they just work hard enough? In other words, is the only thing preventing millions of working poor people from earning a living wage, themselves?

 

[racerboy71]

I see 26 votes for, and 27 against. How do you figure you "won"?

i also pointed that out earlier red..

 

[Padawanbater2]

I see 26 votes for, and 27 against. How do you figure you "won"?

26 for, 12 against

I beat your ass by more than double, cry 'bout it

 

[Red1966]

Hourly compensation should roughly match productivity:

I thought you wanted a "living wage". Now you have come up with an entirerly differant pay scale based not on "cost of living".

 

[Padawanbater2]

I thought you wanted a "living wage". Now you have come up with an entirerly differant pay scale based not on "cost of living".

 

[theexpress]

I thought you wanted a "living wage". Now you have come up with an entirerly differant pay scale based not on "cost of living".

He just wants our nation to crumble lol....@padwan what do you think the federal minimum wage should be out of curiosity..

 

[Red1966]

You don't understand the difference being making money working and making money while on a permanent vacation? And you question MY intelligence.

If you could make as money sitting on your ass as you do busting your ass which would you choose?

How the fuck can a felon make a living wage?

"a wage earner or an individual and his or her family" - What if that family includes 4 children? How many bedrooms would they need?

Minimum wage has not risen along the same lines as inflation. That I will agree with. On the other hand ... Those who try to make a career out of a minimum wage job, and then cry about it, should just kill themselves.

Actually, minimum wage has kept pace with inflation.

 

[schuylaar]

wrong,

Under this program, employers can claim a tax credit on their federal taxes for each qualifying new hire. The amount of the tax credit is based on the amount of wages paid to each eligible worker.

Employers cannot claim the Work Opportunity Tax Credit for their relatives, former employees or undocumented workers.

you are correct on all of the above and this must specifically done at 'new hire'.

you cannot receive the credit if a felon had already been on the payroll, nor can you terminate and re-hire just to receive the credit.

 

[racerboy71]

How is that relevant?

sheskank asked how he was able to earn a living wage (implying that anyone who isn't is lazy/stupid/uneducated/etc.), UB posted a link to the WOTC showing that employers enjoy tax benefits for hiring ex felons, meaning they don't pay as much for them as they would someone who's not an ex felon, meaning it would be cheaper to hire him than it would be to hire me, not being an ex felon and all

Do you think everyone can make a living wage if they just work hard enough? In other words, is the only thing preventing millions of working poor people from earning a living wage, themselves?

lolz, how is that relevant you ask??
well, for one, you said that 40% of his wages were paid by the tax paying public, which you even demonstrated wasn't true in your own post and link.. do you read what you post, or just post it up and hope no one reads the link(s)?
and b, when i said that what if he works the same job he worked before he was a felon, he would not receive the so called 40% of his salary paid by the working credit..
you came back and said, yes, yes he would.. i then went and found information that says that the tax credit of a max of only $2400 for new hires for their first year of employment, doesn't cover people who were employed before becoming felons.

so yeah, i'd say the information i provided was very relevant when you're trying to make someone look like a fool and don't even have the facts right..

i don't think that someone who has no skills and no education in the fields that will get them work once they graduated should be paid at near the same rate as people who have skills that pay the bills and or an education in say a field like nursing for instance, who had the insight as a young adult to go and educate themselves and find what job(s) would be good to get into and that would pay a so called living wage..
for the record, i don't make a shit ton of money, but i don't hate my sister for ex, who was smart enough to go to college and become a nurse and is now making $110k a year as assistant director of nursing at her hospital.. nor my other sister who went to school and decided to become a teacher and now makes about $60k a year.. i made my bed, now i'm lying in it.. i'm not crying why me, why me, when i know it was my own doing that got me where i am today.
and no, i understand that not every one who goes to college gets out and earns a living wage, but that's their dumb ass fault for taking up a degree in say philosophy or french literature, or what ever else dumb ass field of study they wasted four years of their life pursuing..

 

[Red1966]

I wouldn't have hired them in the first place. But since Walmart did, apparently they've deemed that position valuable enough to exist, so if it's valuable enough to exist, it's valuable enough to pay the employee a living wage

Pay $11 if that's what you want, the rest is subsidized. You still pay exactly the same

It's value is apparently minimum wage, at least to Walmart. If the minimum becomes too much higher, then that situation changes, and those people lose their jobs. Have you noticed that the greeters are always elderly? That's because they can afford to live on the low wage because they're collecting Social Security. Thus, their pay is a "iving wage".
If you pay less and the tax paying public pays for the subsidy, you still pay less. So not the same.
First you bitched that Walmart was being subsidized (not actually true), then promote doing exactly the same thing. You negate your own proposition.

 

[Glaucoma]

lolz, how is that relevant you ask??
well, for one, you said that 40% of his wages were paid by the tax paying public, which you even demonstrated wasn't true in your own post and link.. do you read what you post, or just post it up and hope no one reads the link(s)?

He was told to do it. That's what happens when you put your trust in people who don't deserve it.

 

[schuylaar]

lolz, how is that relevant you ask??
well, for one, you said that 40% of his wages were paid by the tax paying public, which you even demonstrated wasn't true in your own post and link.. do you read what you post, or just post it up and hope no one reads the link(s)?
and b, when i said that what if he works the same job he worked before he was a felon, he would not receive the so called 40% of his salary paid by the working credit..
you came back and said, yes, yes he would.. i then went and found information that says that the tax credit of a max of only $2400 for new hires for their first year of employment, doesn't cover people who were employed before becoming felons.

so yeah, i'd say the information i provided was very relevant when you're trying to make someone look like a fool and don't even have the facts right..

i don't think that someone who has no skills and no education in the fields that will get them work once they graduated should be paid at near the same rate as people who have skills that pay the bills and or an education in say a field like nursing for instance, who had the insight as a young adult to go and educate themselves and find what job(s) would be good to get into and that would pay a so called living wage..
for the record, i don't make a shit ton of money, but i don't hate my sister for ex, who was smart enough to go to college and become a nurse and is now making $110k a year as assistant director of nursing at her hospital.. nor my other sister who went to school and decided to become a teacher and now makes about $60k a year.. i made my bed, now i'm lying in it.. i'm not crying why me, why me, when i know it was my own doing that got me where i am today.
and no, i understand that not every one who goes to college gets out and earns a living wage, but that's their dumb ass fault for taking up a degree in say philosophy or french literature, or what ever else dumb ass field of study they wasted four years of their life pursuing..

it's never too late to go back to school..they must have accredited university online in the UK?

the only thing stopping you, is you.

 

[Red1966]

26 for, 12 against

I beat your ass by more than double, cry 'bout it

26 for, and 27 disagreeing with you. I would have checked "Other (please explain) ", but there was no option to explain. I believe the wage should be negotiated by both the employer and the employee, as do most who disagree with you. Pretending only those who have only one particular viewpoint out of many who disagree with you count is just you trying to claim a false victory. Sad little boy can't admit it when he loses.

 

[Red1966]

i also pointed that out earlier red..

I didn't see it, but I'll take your word for it. Notice he's STILL making the same false claim?

 

[racerboy71]

it's never too late to go back to school..they must have accredited university online in the UK?

the only thing stopping you, is you.

not uh sky, it's the 1%, they hate me, they won't allow me to better myself.. bill gates personally sent me a letter and told me if i try and improve myself, he'd cut me off at the legs..
i'm scared, so here i sit..

 

[Red1966]

If an able bodied person isn't capable of producing a living wage, then that person isn't valuable enough to society to exist.

Seems a little cold-hearted, but I'll blame Pada's logic for that.

 

[Red1966]

You're stupid if you don't think workers should be paid what they're owed

You wanna come work for free?

Didn't see him say that. Do see you claiming workers should be paid more than they're owed, tho.

 

[Red1966]

Then why would you expect everyone to enjoy equal benefits?

I'm pretty sure her argument was they shouldn't. Are you really that dense, or just dishonest, or both?

 

[theexpress]

26 for, 12 against

I beat your ass by more than double, cry 'bout it

What do you think the federalminimum wage should be? I support a federal minimum wage of 12/ May e 13 an hour. No more..

 

[Red1966]

What's racist or sexist about highlighting the fact that black Americans have statistically less opportunities than white Americans?

Is that part of your ideology that doesn't let you criticize social structures when it comes to economic or financial opportunity?

Because you're implying payscale should be based on race, not merit. Kinda racist, yes?

 

[schuylaar]

It's value is apparently minimum wage, at least to Walmart. If the minimum becomes too much higher, then that situation changes, and those people lose their jobs. Have you noticed that the greeters are always elderly? That's because they can afford to live on the low wage because they're collecting Social Security. Thus, their pay is a "iving wage".
If you pay less and the tax paying public pays for the subsidy, you still pay less. So not the same.
First you bitched that Walmart was being subsidized (not actually true), then promote doing exactly the same thing. You negate your own proposition.

OMG!! there are so many things going on here i don't know which to address first..

mcd's already is aware (as is wal-mart) that they can shift the tax burden on to the taxpayer (us).

by paying low wages we (peasants) subsidize the poor, publicly traded corporation aka means of production. they know this.

the greeter is not always elderly. kynes was a greeter.

walmart banks on those who are either already holding down another job or SS.

you get a meager discount in order the EE reinvests right back into the company for goods that cost the company nothing.

the living wage you refer is still the combination of two incomes.

why is someone on SS unable to live without working another job? the SS that i've already contributed to?

could it be they were lazy during their life and didn't rack up enough contribution?

walmart is being subsidized as is mcd. they bank on this and with all of the above, their EE's are basically free labor.

payroll is THE biggest expense a business has..but not if you are ripping everyone off.

not trying to be snobby..but unless you are working corporate..your educational caliber is a bit lower and they bank on just that!

what an insult to have suggested, by these employers, 'how to apply for food stamps'..'how to budget'(yet you need two full time jobs).