Homemade Lactobacillus Serum

[MjMama]

Growers are grossly divided into two camps. Those that feel they can improve on nature, and those that don't.

I'm sorry but that's a silly statement. We are all organic growers here, trying to provide the best natural experience for our plants. Im sure you don't sit and wait for an animal
to come along and poop next to your plants, or die in your garden. You probably add organic fertilizer to your soil one way or another. We don't need to sit and wait for microbes, bacterial, and fungi to come to out gardens when there are easy and inexpensive ways to amplify and expedite the process. I just added a good bit of square footage to my raised beds and wanted to boost the soil. That doesn't mean I'm
trying to improve nature. It means I'm using nature to my advantage. It would be dumb not too.

 

[hydroMD]

Run no-till soil and all of these beneficial microbes will arrive- like it or not. The problem with most soil grows is that they are discarded after one use. Older soils will have all of these beneficials

So why not inoculate lab to get them bumpin from tue get go?

Do you use aact? Or jusy simply wait for everything to naturally form?

 

[Abiqua]

Look @Rrog isn't wrong at all, I get his drift...he even said to have fun....flip side that attitude isn't for the passive or shit wouldn't get done....

Keep up your brews @MjMama....and I highly suggest reading the link I posted back a page......
http://rollitup.org/t/homemade-lactobacillus-serum.870094/page-2#post-11590173

V Pinto keeps it tedious but each page is a different topic and has a beginning appendix, so its easy to just skip around...Good piece of work and source of ideas for "consortia" brews...since V Pinto has taken LAB on another trip into his "PNSB".....its good if you are really interested....

 

[MjMama]

Look @Rrog isn't wrong at all, I get his drift...he even said to have fun....flip side that attitude isn't for the passive or shit wouldn't get done....

Keep up your brews @MjMama....and I highly suggest reading the link I posted back a page......
http://rollitup.org/t/homemade-lactobacillus-serum.870094/page-2#post-11590173

V Pinto keeps it tedious but each page is a different topic and has a beginning appendix, so its easy to just skip around...Good piece of work and source of ideas for "consortia" brews...since V Pinto has taken LAB on another trip into his "PNSB".....its good if you are really interested....

I appreciate the link. I promise I will read it soon. I have a bad head cold today and feel about as mentally competent as a rock. I think the info would be better retained in a few days when I'm feeling better.

 

[Abiqua]

I appreciate the link. I promise I will read it soon. I have a bad head cold today and feel about as mentally competent as a rock. I think the info would be better retained in a few days when I'm feeling better.

Take a month or two...No really

 

[Rrog]

So why not inoculate lab to get them bumpin from tue get go?

Do you use aact? Or jusy simply wait for everything to naturally form?

I use LAB and have recommended using LAB as a soil starter forever. I use the same technique MjM uses, basically. It's gets a new soil going, which attracts more microbes that I want. I do this inside, or outside (with a sprayer for foliar, too). But this is usually a one-time soil thing. Otherwise I really leave the soil alone, and top dress, water in.

I don't AACT, for the same reason. Good as a starter helper, but I'm interested in 12 generation no-till.

I try and provide the raw building blocks. The microbes will sequester the ions onto humus, clay, biochar, and other CEC / AEC compounds. Then the plant calls for nutrient ions as needed, and the microbes provide.

I recommend Teaming With Microbes for a read.

I also recommend a worm bin. If you're growing in soil, nothing better than fresh vermicompost. Increases the immune response and has demonstrated increased pest resistance in the phyllosphere - the leaves. Yet it's applied to the soil.

Honor the worm

 

[hydroMD]

I use LAB and have recommended using LAB as a soil starter forever. I use the same technique MjM uses, basically. It's gets a new soil going, which attracts more microbes that I want. I do this inside, or outside (with a sprayer for foliar, too). But this is usually a one-time soil thing. Otherwise I really leave the soil alone, and top dress, water in.

I don't AACT, for the same reason. Good as a starter helper, but I'm interested in 12 generation no-till.

I try and provide the raw building blocks. The microbes will sequester the ions onto humus, clay, biochar, and other CEC / AEC compounds. Then the plant calls for nutrient ions as needed, and the microbes provide.

I recommend Teaming With Microbes for a read.

I also recommend a worm bin. If you're growing in soil, nothing better than fresh vermicompost. Increases the immune response and has demonstrated increased pest resistance in the phyllosphere - the leaves. Yet it's applied to the soil.

Honor the worm

I was just asking because from what i gathered from your previous posts you were saying LAB is moot because the soil will eventually get the same bennies without lactose.

I was establishing my stance through a question as not to sound too condescending. Seems like its hard to have convos on here without offending people with the tone of your typing

Teaming with microbes is a good book. Read it many times as soil science and crop management was my proffession for 20 years

So is it your stance that further inoculation will impede on the natural levels of biomass that would otherwise be present in no-till?

 

[Rrog]

You're good hMD. No condescension at all.

My stance is that the system is optimized from billions of years of symbiotic evolution, and when we dump a load of stuff it shifts dynamics that have been painfully set up by the plants and microbes. We become an unnecessary and unwanted influence.

Aside from providing top dressing, in wells under the drippers, I leave all the ratios and work to the microbes, under the direction of the plant.

 

[hydroMD]

You're good hMD. No condescension at all.

My stance is that the system is optimized from billions of years of symbiotic evolution, and when we dump a load of stuff it shifts dynamics that have been painfully set up by the plants and microbes. We become an unnecessary and unwanted influence.

Aside from providing top dressing, in wells under the drippers, I leave all the ratios and work to the microbes, under the direction of the plant.

How long between reusing your soil?

I presume you need atleast some break from live root exudates to let bacteria stay somewhat competitive?

 

[Rrog]

Chop one day, plant the same day or close to it. While the M Fungi still sense live plant roots, they will stay active and plug into the new seedling / clone roots immediately.

 

[greenghost420]

I use LAB and have recommended using LAB as a soil starter forever. I use the same technique MjM uses, basically. It's gets a new soil going, which attracts more microbes that I want. I do this inside, or outside (with a sprayer for foliar, too). But this is usually a one-time soil thing. Otherwise I really leave the soil alone, and top dress, water in.

I don't AACT, for the same reason. Good as a starter helper, but I'm interested in 12 generation no-till.

I try and provide the raw building blocks. The microbes will sequester the ions onto humus, clay, biochar, and other CEC / AEC compounds. Then the plant calls for nutrient ions as needed, and the microbes provide.

I recommend Teaming With Microbes for a read.

I also recommend a worm bin. If you're growing in soil, nothing better than fresh vermicompost. Increases the immune response and has demonstrated increased pest resistance in the phyllosphere - the leaves. Yet it's applied to the soil.

Honor the worm

great info

 

[Sunny Organics]

do leave the jar open or sealed while i ferment the rice water. dumb question lol.

 

[st0wandgrow]

You're good hMD. No condescension at all.

My stance is that the system is optimized from billions of years of symbiotic evolution, and when we dump a load of stuff it shifts dynamics that have been painfully set up by the plants and microbes. We become an unnecessary and unwanted influence.

Aside from providing top dressing, in wells under the drippers, I leave all the ratios and work to the microbes, under the direction of the plant.

I haven't been at this as long as some of you, but I tend to agree with Rrog here. I won't go so far as to say that LAB or an AACT will hurt anything, but if your soil was constructed with a good source of compost/EWC then I think that the teas and whatnot are mostly unnecessary.

We all have an urge to tinker, and make things "better". I even kept a feeding schedule when I first started with organics. Nutrient tea on Tuesdays, compost tea on Sundays, SST on Thursdays, blah blah blah. Now I just use plain ole water..... and the plants are just as healthy, and the buds are just as good. Imagine that?!?!

So nothing wrong with tinkering IMO, but it's really not necessary if the soil is good to begin with.

 

[Smidge34]

Right on! Great stuff here man and why I visit to be honest!!

 

[MjMama]

do leave the jar open or sealed while i ferment the rice water. dumb question lol.

I leave the jar open so the bacteria can have easy access to the starchy water.

 

[hydroMD]

Chop one day, plant the same day or close to it. While the M Fungi still sense live plant roots, they will stay active and plug into the new seedling / clone roots immediately.

You have any biomass testing labs near you?! Itd be interesting to see the CEC:biomass ratios of no till vs. Inoculated geen soil

 

[Sunny Organics]

I leave the jar open so the bacteria can have easy access to the starchy water.

figured, well i made the rice water and left it catching the bacteria or whatever. I will update on how it turns out.

 

[st0wandgrow]

So here's a question for MjMama or anyone else...

Is there a balance to be struck between aerobic and anaerobic bacteria? IOW, can too much of a good thing end up being a bad thing?

I'm making some lactobacillus serum right now. I'm reamending some soil, I'm a little short on castings ATM, and my air pump is currently tied up with a DWC bucket and I don't feel like buying a new one just for the sake of brewing one compost tea. I figured a lacto serum would fill the void nicely.

I guess what I'm saying is that the majority of the reading I've done has focused on cultivating beneficial aerobic bacteria. Lacto serum cultivates anaerobes. Can too much of this be added to the point that the anaerobic bacteria out compete the aerobic bacteria and shift things out of whack?

 

[Sunny Organics]

so im about to mix my remaining fermented milk water with molasses that i left out for 2 weeks. one problem tho, my finished water was NOT yellow. Maybe small pieces of the curds got mixed in the water while trying to get the curds out causing to keep a lighter watery milk color? is that normal? i swear i made greek yogurt....

 

[st0wandgrow]

so im about to mix my remaining fermented milk water with molasses that i left out for 2 weeks. one problem tho, my finished water was NOT yellow. Maybe small pieces of the curds got mixed in the water while trying to get the curds out causing to keep a lighter watery milk color? is that normal? i swear i made greek yogurt....

2 weeks seems like a long time. I only let it sit for 4-5 days and call it done.