Recycled Organic Living Soil (ROLS) and No Till Thread

[Midwest Weedist]

looks dank ! i have seen this alot with chemdog genetics ... they hide uder nugs in the strangest of places ... its the curse of most stuff that smells like gas ...

It makes sense to me that the chem family is hermie prone as the whole lineage came from bagseed. Which as we all know, most high quality bag seed is more often than not, an end result of some unnoticed nanners in some ones cash crop.
Thank you! It really is some potent stuff too, I let my old hippie relative try it and he swore it was laced with something haha
A friend and I have the idea of planting a whole slew of these seeds in patches of these massive 15ft+ sativa / hemp plants that grow native to our area. The hope is that within a generation or two we'll have some acclimated hybrids that properly flower in our 8 - 9 week flowering period. I've taken some of our native cannabis/hemp plants and grown them out, to my surprise theyll flower for over 4 months without ever fully ripening, just continually producing new foxtailing bud sites. I think these may be some strains of equatorial sativas that the old hippie / farmers grew and possibly by accident, crossed with our native hemp plants that grew wild in N America prior to the introduction of exotic strains. Or they're said sativas that have acclimate enough to get seeds on the ground. Anyways, it's a thought. They'll most likely all be hermie prone but that's okay because they'll all be turned to a hash of some sort, probably multiple kinds. Ha, I ramble a lot

 

[Joedank]

It makes sense to me that the chem family is hermie prone as the whole lineage came from bagseed. Which as we all know, most high quality bag seed is more often than not, an end result of some unnoticed nanners in some ones cash crop.
Thank you! It really is some potent stuff too, I let my old hippie relative try it and he swore it was laced with something haha
A friend and I have the idea of planting a whole slew of these seeds in patches of these massive 15ft+ sativa / hemp plants that grow native to our area. The hope is that within a generation or two we'll have some acclimated hybrids that properly flower in our 8 - 9 week flowering period. I've taken some of our native cannabis/hemp plants and grown them out, to my surprise theyll flower for over 4 months without ever fully ripening, just continually producing new foxtailing bud sites. I think these may be some strains of equatorial sativas that the old hippie / farmers grew and possibly by accident, crossed with our native hemp plants that grew wild in N America prior to the introduction of exotic strains. Or they're said sativas that have acclimate enough to get seeds on the ground. Anyways, it's a thought. They'll most likely all be hermie prone but that's okay because they'll all be turned to a hash of some sort, probably multiple kinds. Ha, I ramble a lot

the hash harvesting combine patenet has been pulled

 

[Midwest Weedist]

the hash harvesting combine patenet has been pulled

I'm ignorant to this patent, point me in the right direction? You've really intrigued me!

 

[Joedank]

I'm ignorant to this patent, point me in the right direction? You've really intrigued me!

has not been awarded yet . still being differntiated from the process to make a combine...
just happening thank the spirt... seeds in one spot plant matrial in another . hash scraped into piles on another section ...

 

[Midwest Weedist]

has not been awarded yet . still being differntiated from the process to make a combine...
just happening thank the spirt... seeds in one spot plant matrial in another . hash scraped into piles on another section ...

Anywhere I can read up on the concept? A mechanical extractor has always been of high interest for me.

 

[keepitcoastal]

Do not use anything imidacloprid, ever.

P-

Why I asked... Just saw the name come up on a search for aphid control.

I use neem seed meal both mixed in and in occasional teas. It works a lot better as a preventive than a form of attack.

NO and i do not reccomend sythetic dewormer for anything .... even dogs... but dont listen to me... anyone experinced wit imcloperid? i use neem seed meal but before that i put 5 ml of warm neem pergallon of water to the roots...
i bet if you get manure from racehorse stalls it will be chalk full of that dewormer... i bet
looks only to be listed for ORNAMENTALS ...

I won't soil drench with cold pressed neem this late into flower because I worry it'll effect taste.

 

[Joedank]

Why I asked... Just saw the name come up on a search for aphid control.

I use neem seed meal both mixed in and in occasional teas. It works a lot better as a preventive than a form of attack.


I won't soil drench with cold pressed neem this late into flower because I worry it'll effect taste.

well the aphids affect EVERYTHING. some strains they love some not so much...
if your more than 2 weeks from harvest get warm (80"s) water 5ml of neem emulsified in ksil... and feed the roots ... it has not affected taste on mine but i use it preventitively and i dont need it after week 3 flower... neem seed meal supports so much fungal life its neat in the worm bin ...

 

[Joedank]

Anywhere I can read up on the concept? A mechanical extractor has always been of high interest for me.

i will see if my buddies are at the peer review stage ..

 

[st0wandgrow]

Anyone ever seen it where a strain only throws nanners in the undercanopy where its really low light?
My friend and I can't figure it out. The strain (gg4 x stardawg) originated from a hermie, as well as some of the parents so I know the genetics are fucked. Its just that neither of us have seen a plant hermie in just one area like that when it's not environmental in regards to a light leak, etc.

It's a shame the genetics are so poor as the bud, even when fully seeded, is just unbelievably potent (Which I've always found sensimilla to be slightly less potent than consimilla, but that's just me). Out of the 4 phenotypes I've gotten cuts of they all look, smell, and smoke like "top shelf". They bulk up like pure indicas and the frost is similar to that of the cookies lineage. Harvest most in ~8 - 9 weeks.
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This his hearsay, so take it with a grain of salt, but this could be environmental to a degree. The genetics that you are dealing with are predisposed to hermaphrodism, but in a lot of cases you need an environmental trigger to bring it out. The fact that this is only popping up towards the bottom of the plant leads me to believe that the lack of light penetration through the upper canopy (no light getting to the bottom of the plant) is the stressor that is causing this.

Try some supplemental lighting on the sides of the plants. Even cfl's will help.

 

[Midwest Weedist]

This his hearsay, so take it with a grain of salt, but this could be environmental to a degree. The genetics that you are dealing with are predisposed to hermaphrodism, but in a lot of cases you need an environmental trigger to bring it out. The fact that this is only popping up towards the bottom of the plant leads me to believe that the lack of light penetration through the upper canopy (no light getting to the bottom of the plant) is the stressor that is causing this.

Try some supplemental lighting on the sides of the plants. Even cfl's will help.

It could be, idk. My friend and I both have it happen the same way, one cut is worse than the others by far. But none of my other ladies of different genetics have thrown a single nanner so I'd like to say that it isn't environmental. If it's environmental the only thing I can think of would be colder night temperatures with high daytime temps (55f at the lowest at night and 85 at the highest during the day). They're scrogged so that could be a cause for me. My friend ran them organically with no training, only topping on one, and they all hermied. Ironically the worst one was the best cut.

Edit* Only one cut has thrown nanners so far for me, which was the worst in regards to hermy-ing for my friend.

 

[st0wandgrow]

Lil bokashi serum/LAB for the ladies tonight..

 

[Midwest Weedist]

Lil bokashi serum/LAB for the ladies tonight..

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I've seen some people foliar with it, I've only done soil drenches myself. What's your method?

 

[st0wandgrow]

I've seen some people foliar with it, I've only done soil drenches myself. What's your method?

This one was a soil drench, but I've done both.

It's really tough to gauge if/how all of these brews and whatnot help the plants. My plants look healthy whether I add teas and SST's or not. It usually boils down to my schedule. If I'm busy at work or with the kids the plants get plain water. If I have the time to piss around with brewing stuff I do it.... But I can't say definitively that they help. I know they don't hurt.

 

[Midwest Weedist]

This one was a soil drench, but I've done both.

It's really tough to gauge if/how all of these brews and whatnot help the plants. My plants look healthy whether I add teas and SST's or not. It usually boils down to my schedule. If I'm busy at work or with the kids the plants get plain water. If I have the time to piss around with brewing stuff I do it.... But I can't say definitively that they help. I know they don't hurt.

Oh I know for a fact they don't hurt. Hahaha... Some may remember, but I had an incident over winter where I accidentally watered my ladies (4, 3 gallon planters that round) with a quarter gallon of undiluted lacto serum per container, and I make my cultures at double to triple the normal "strength" of what's generally advised. I saw no negative side effects or any noticeable positive effects. If I had any bad microorganisms before, I certainly didnt after. Didn't even phase my ladies that were 3 weeks from harvest.

I totally get the busy schedule dilemma with watering though. I've been so busy lately that I actually forgot to water for almost 60 hours a couple days ago. Ladies in fabric planters weren't happy at all

 

[a senile fungus]

Anyone ever seen it where a strain only throws nanners in the undercanopy where its really low light?
My friend and I can't figure it out. The strain (gg4 x stardawg) originated from a hermie, as well as some of the parents so I know the genetics are fucked. Its just that neither of us have seen a plant hermie in just one area like that when it's not environmental in regards to a light leak, etc.

It's a shame the genetics are so poor as the bud, even when fully seeded, is just unbelievably potent (Which I've always found sensimilla to be slightly less potent than consimilla, but that's just me). Out of the 4 phenotypes I've gotten cuts of they all look, smell, and smoke like "top shelf". They bulk up like pure indicas and the frost is similar to that of the cookies lineage. Harvest most in ~8 - 9 weeks.
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I did a monocrop of GG4 and I had two of them throw some nanners right at the bottom of the plant. Those two plants were nearest to the airflow and farthest from the light. My guess was the cold airflow up the skirts. I have a buddy near me who has a similar guess, cold or colder air.

I currently have two GG4 bagseed in flower, and one about to be flipped. The two in flower are different phenos, one is more chemmy, one is more diesel. They're almost done flowering then I'm gonna reveg them and see how they do in larger pots.

 

[Mad Hamish]

This his hearsay, so take it with a grain of salt, but this could be environmental to a degree. The genetics that you are dealing with are predisposed to hermaphrodism, but in a lot of cases you need an environmental trigger to bring it out. The fact that this is only popping up towards the bottom of the plant leads me to believe that the lack of light penetration through the upper canopy (no light getting to the bottom of the plant) is the stressor that is causing this.

Try some supplemental lighting on the sides of the plants. Even cfl's will help.

Yup what I call 'OG Nanners' you can avoid them totally by shaving all but the top three nodes before flower and plucking usually sorts them out.

 

[st0wandgrow]

Yup what I call 'OG Nanners' you can avoid them totally by shaving all but the top three nodes before flower and plucking usually sorts them out.

I haven't messed with too many OG's. I have a Skywalker OG in flower now (unshaved) so I'll keep an eye out for that. Had it happen once on a real bushy Sunshine Daydream but everything went fine after I plucked them off.

 

[abe supercro]

I did a monocrop of GG4 and I had two of them throw some nanners right at the bottom of the plant. Those two plants were nearest to the airflow and farthest from the light. My guess was the cold airflow up the skirts. I have a buddy near me who has a similar guess, cold or colder air.

I currently have two GG4 bagseed in flower, and one about to be flipped. The two in flower are different phenos, one is more chemmy, one is more diesel. They're almost done flowering then I'm gonna reveg them and see how they do in larger pots.

perhaps they were cross pollinated or are S1 seed. i think it's cool how S1 seed still expresses variation.


How about grass clippings,
does anyone know how long it needs to compost? Is it considered too 'hot' and will it mess with the plant if too much grass is in my soil mix without composting for long enough? i certainly don't apply any chemicals to my lawn and the clippings are already dry. how about dark dry leaves from last fall?

 

[Joedank]

I did a monocrop of GG4 and I had two of them throw some nanners right at the bottom of the plant. Those two plants were nearest to the airflow and farthest from the light. My guess was the cold airflow up the skirts. I have a buddy near me who has a similar guess, cold or colder air.

I currently have two GG4 bagseed in flower, and one about to be flipped. The two in flower are different phenos, one is more chemmy, one is more diesel. They're almost done flowering then I'm gonna reveg them and see how they do in larger pots.

you sure its not on all the plants? just well hidden? i find them in the smalls practicaly hugging the stem on unstable strains....folks wonder why there is so much GG4 and GSC bagseed... perpetual grows with slightly unstable but amazingly frosty strains...

 

[a senile fungus]

you sure its not on all the plants? just well hidden? i find them in the smalls practicaly hugging the stem on unstable strains....folks wonder why there is so much GG4 and GSC bagseed... perpetual grows with slightly unstable but amazingly frosty strains...

No, I'm not sure about that...

I noticed for sure on the two plants, the others I didn't notice any, but they could've been there and I didn't notice.

But I WAS looking, and only noticed the two...


As far as S1, F1 etc, I'm not sure who pollinated whom. I just call em all bagseed, although I will be interested to see how they compare to the glue in flavor/high...